Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school

[Celt]

What we really need to do us unfuck our culture.

You can implement all the preventative measures you want, but if there are still mentally unstable murderous individuals running around, you're still going to have massacres.

We need to fix the root cause of this problem, not throw a never ending series of increasingly large band aids at it.

This is going to turn into the war on drugs all over again.

Good points, but fixing the root cause is winding and multi-faceted.

Mental health systems need to be bolstered and funded, woke ideology needs to be driven out of our schools, politics, media, society (and how the fuck can we do that when entire generations are brainwashed already). Media needs to do blackouts on the assailants so their is no notoriety.

Beefing up security in schools should be a no brainer and is something that CAN be done.

 

[NYCGuy]

Good points, but fixing the root cause is winding and multi-faceted.

Mental health systems need to be bolstered and funded, woke ideology needs to be driven out of our schools, politics, media, society (and how the fuck can we do that when entire generations are brainwashed already). Media needs to do blackouts on the assailants so their is no notoriety.

Beefing up security in schools should be a no brainer and is something that CAN be done.

It’s astonishing that they can cancel you and silence you for saying “Natural Immunity” but they can’t manage to keep these cowardly punks’ faces and names out of the media and google searches. They give these pieces of shit a platform.

Here’s how we fix this shit: Catch a few of these guys alive, hang them in public with the family members allowed to use them as a piñata until they’re almost dead. Then leave them there until they choke to death on their own blood. AND keep their names and pictures out of the damn media. Once these little bitchmade punks realize they will face a humiliating death and nobody will know their name, this stuff will be over with!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Good points, but fixing the root cause is winding and multi-faceted.

Mental health systems need to be bolstered and funded, woke ideology needs to be driven out of our schools, politics, media, society (and how the fuck can we do that when entire generations are brainwashed already). Media needs to do blackouts on the assailants so their is no notoriety.

Beefing up security in schools should be a no brainer and is something that CAN be done.

There are ways to mitigate and minimize the amount of events if that truly was the intention. There will never be a way to prevent all of them. It will NOT though come from more gun laws or more of any laws for that matter because criminals don't follow laws. That's why they are criminals. G-d forbid we actually praise someone with a gun as a solution to stopping a criminal with a gun hell bent on doing harm. Painting a firearm as a tool that could be used for good goes against everything the left stands for.

 

[Dr. Evil]

It’s astonishing that they can cancel you and silence you for saying “Natural Immunity” but they can’t manage to keep these cowardly punks’ faces and names out of the media and google searches. They give these pieces of shit a platform.

Here’s how we fix this shit: Catch a few of these guys alive, hang them in public with the family members allowed to use them as a piñata until they’re almost dead. Then leave them there until they choke to death on their own blood. AND keep their names and pictures out of the damn media. Once these little bitchmade punks realize they will face a humiliating death and nobody will know their name, this stuff will be over with!

OK. Maybe I was a bit wrong about you.

 

[dwa12479]

As we all know the gun laws in switzerland are no like those here. 18 year olds with a trouble past cannot easily obtain a semi-automatic rifle.

In buffalo an armed guard failed to stop the guy. And in texas this guy had already been engaged by police before entering the school.

Clearly the only way to actually stop these shootings is to stop mentally ill/evil people from obtaining the guns. It's impossible to stop entirely, but throwing our hands up and saying who cares let's try and just arm more people is not reasonable.

Per capita the USA is magnitudes worse for these events than any other western country and these discussions are never honest about why.

We used to lock away the severely mentally ill in this country and try to help them. Now we celebrate their mental illness as "inspiring " and encourage it.

 

[livingston]

Report: Chuck Schumer Moving Quickly to ‘Force’ Gun Control Vote​

The New York Times reported late Tuesday that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) took action “within hours” of the Robb Elementary School attack to adjust the Senate schedule and will “force” a gun control vote.
Schumer is pushing for a vote to expand background checks.
The NYT notes, “Within hours of the shooting in Uvalde, Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, moved to clear the way to force votes in coming days on legislation that would strengthen background checks for gun purchasers, pushing to revive measures with broad appeal that Republicans have blocked in the past.”

The Hill observes Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) concurred with the push for a gun control vote, saying, “We need to vote. We need to hold every member of the Senate accountable. Every one of us should be put on the record.”

Report: Chuck Schumer Moving Quickly to 'Force' Gun Control Vote

The New York Times reports that Chuck Schumer (D-NY) adjusted the Senate schedule and will "force" a gun control vote.

www.breitbart.com

 

[cpython]

The Demorats solution to this is alway's the same. And it will never change. It's the guns, the NRA, and the Republicans fault. Their on the warpath now. Their running the show. With all their theatrics an all. IMO more bs gun laws will be passed this time.

As far as teachers carrying and armed guards in schools. While not perfect. Makes sense to me. And i am sure too. That alot of veterans would be glad to do it for free. But as we know. Most schools, and teachers, are liberal and don't like guns period. So that's out of the question. And any type of security measures is going to cost money. Which i doubt they would want to spend.

Unfortunately in today's society. And i mostly blame the Demorats and the media for this. Basically anything goes. Along with a lack of responsibility, morals, and values. Until that mindset changes. More gun laws are useless. And i also believe. The Demorats know this. But each shooting like this. Gets them closer to banning more guns, resrict our 2nd Amendment rights, etc, etc. Which is all part of their big plan.

 

[spat]

I agree with you but exactly how do we "unfuck our culture"? I don't see any meaningful changes without major violations of the bill of rights. And I'm not talking about touching the second amendment at all.

No violations required, but it will take time.

We didn't get into this mess overnight, we won't get out of it overnight either.

Step one is to fix our education system. The government run schools are entirely within the power of the government to fix without violating anyone's rights.

You have the right to free speech, you do not have a right to a government paycheck to indoctrinate kids. So, step one is de-woke the schools.

Higher education can also be fixed without violating anyone's rights. You can be whatever kind of stupid you want, but don't expect the taxpayers to fund your efforts or back student loans for your gender studies program.

Those alone would fix things in a generation or 2, without violating anyone's rights.

Of course, the first institution you need to disinfect is the government itself. That can also be done without violating anyone's rights, but you need control of the government to do it.

A solid RINO proof determined majority of both houses of congress, the presidency, and keeping SCOTUS from going all activist could do it in a decade.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Beto O'Rourke approaches Gov. Greg Abbott, interrupting press conference​

Piece of excrement

 

[Darth]

He says "I'm sick and tired."

Checks out.

 

[Celt]

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He says "I'm sick and tired."

Checks out.

I agree with him, he is sick, and he is tired. He should confess to holding this office illegitimatly, and take a dirt nap.

 

[GOYABEAN]

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He says "I'm sick and tired."

Checks out.

Yup he's still spewing about ownership of cannons and he mentioned the aft

 

[Bigfoot]

Too many in power have a vested interest in making sure these things continue to happen.

 

[meketrefe]

Society has many flaws and people get lost so perhaps when people loose their bearings we should apply a bit of Indian style group therapy tactics. Rapists, thugs, deviants, thieves, wackos, come for your therapy session.

They seem to be so sure they do not offend anyone in the process....

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[meketrefe]

Too many in power have a vested interest in making sure these things continue to happen.

We are as guilty as them.
Gun owners should demand true gun free zones or otherwise hold those liable.
Also how we get the wackos back inside the asilums and get treatment.
I want to know how we can prevent some of these things for real.
We never see any shootings inside an airports security do we?

 

[tirwin1]

It’s astonishing that they can cancel you and silence you for saying “Natural Immunity” but they can’t manage to keep these cowardly punks’ faces and names out of the media and google searches. They give these pieces of shit a platform.

Here’s how we fix this shit: Catch a few of these guys alive, hang them in public with the family members allowed to use them as a piñata until they’re almost dead. Then leave them there until they choke to death on their own blood. AND keep their names and pictures out of the damn media. Once these little bitchmade punks realize they will face a humiliating death and nobody will know their name, this stuff will be over with!

There's a few violations of the bill of rights in that recommendation. Not that I don't sympathize with the strategy.

 

[FrankenCub]

@GOPerfect in your Twitter trolling have you come across any information stating this fuckin scumbag is here illegally from El Salvador? I seen something about him on the run from police for a previous murder in ES.

 

[tirwin1]

No violations required, but it will take time.

We didn't get into this mess overnight, we won't get out of it overnight either.

Step one is to fix our education system. The government run schools are entirely within the power of the government to fix without violating anyone's rights.

You have the right to free speech, you do not have a right to a government paycheck to indoctrinate kids. So, step one is de-woke the schools.

Higher education can also be fixed without violating anyone's rights. You can be whatever kind of stupid you want, but don't expect the taxpayers to fund your efforts or back student loans for your gender studies program.

Those alone would fix things in a generation or 2, without violating anyone's rights.

Of course, the first institution you need to disinfect is the government itself. That can also be done without violating anyone's rights, but you need control of the government to do it.

A solid RINO proof determined majority of both houses of congress, the presidency, and keeping SCOTUS from going all activist could do it in a decade.

Would that really solve it?

Would a non-woke education system stop this latest nutjob? He had a drug addict mother, no father, a history of being bullied and our media's fascination with 24/7 coverage of mass shootings? I'm skeptical education reform alone can impact that situation.

 

[Dr. Evil]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/22/guns-biden-democrats-buffalo/

The Washington ComPost.

 

[GOYABEAN]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/22/guns-biden-democrats-buffalo/

The Washington ComPost.

 

[Stuckinny]

Maybe

Sure that would be effective for about 3 weeks after an event. Then the numbers will dwindle down to nothing. If someone shows up they will be just be hanging out, flirting with the school nurse, not patrolling the halls.

Got a picture of the nurse? It matters.

Seriously though, you are 110% correct.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[livingston]

Feds: BORTAC Special Operator Killed Gunman at Uvalde’s Robb Elementary School

The Texas gunman who killed at least 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde was shot to death by an agent from US Border Patrol’s highly elite BORTAC unit. In a statement released to Coffee or Die Magazine, officials said the agent’s Del Rio-based Border Patrol Tactical...

coffeeordie.com

FEDS: BORTAC SPECIAL OPERATOR KILLED GUNMAN AT UVALDE’S ROBB ELEMENTARY SCHOOL​

The Texas gunman who killed at least 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde was shot to death by an agent from US Border Patrol’s highly elite BORTAC unit.
In a statement released to Coffee or Die Magazine, officials said the agent’s Del Rio-based Border Patrol Tactical team was working west of San Antonio in an ongoing campaign taking down stash houses when the Tuesday, May 24, rampage at the school began.

Feds: BORTAC Special Operator Killed Gunman at Uvalde’s Robb Elementary School

The Texas gunman who killed at least 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde was shot to death by an agent from US Border Patrol’s highly elite BORTAC unit. In a statement released to Coffee or Die Magazine, officials said the agent’s Del Rio-based Border Patrol Tactical...

coffeeordie.com

 

[spat]

Would that really solve it?

Would a non-woke education system stop this latest nutjob? He had a drug addict mother, no father, a history of being bullied and our media's fascination with 24/7 coverage of mass shootings? I'm skeptical education reform alone can impact that situation.

It got us into this mess

Certainly the media is also largely responsible, but they just chase demand. They can make whatever they want if nobody watches it

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Would that really solve it?

Would a non-woke education system stop this latest nutjob? He had a drug addict mother, no father, a history of being bullied and our media's fascination with 24/7 coverage of mass shootings? I'm skeptical education reform alone can impact that situation.

And an ex-con grandfather.

 

[GOPerfect]

@GOPerfect in your Twitter trolling have you come across any information stating this fuckin scumbag is here illegally from El Salvador? I seen something about him on the run from police for a previous murder in ES.

I am seeing that he is legal. His Father was not nor was his mother. Lots of false facts being tossed around.

 

[SonOfSun]

The problem with that dataset is that they are conflating things that are most certainly not remotely like what we are discussing here.


Nobody is suggesting that armed teachers are going to dissuade gang bangers from shooting each other in the parking lot at midnight.

I think we can all agree that is not even remotely in the same category as the sort of crime we are discussing here.

So, no, they won't make a dent in the dataset, but frankly we don't care about that whole dataset.

They will drastically drop what we can call "real" school shootings. If we are honest about what they are and don't try to artificially inflate the number of them to secure funding or push a narrative.

For sake of argument, let's agree that we only care about people getting shot in school, or possibly a combination where the shooter is shooting outside and then moves inside of the school (like just happened in Texas) or where the shooter started inside and transitioned to shootings outside. Let's also filter out events that happened outside of school hours/days (ie. let's only look at things that occurred during school hours). For this discussion we can agree "school shootings" are not the same thing as a gang shooting at night in a school parking lot. It's easy to filter the data based on those parameters.

All of my points still hold and the general patterns are the same. Namely:

• Handguns are used way more often.
• Rifles are used less often, and when used they on average cause a lot more carnage.
• The above note that shootings where a rifle is used causes higher visibility regarding rifles, fair or not.
• Most shootings have 0 or 1 person shot.

I still doubt armed teachers or guards would prevent much of this. Most of the time 1 person is shot and it's targeted. The person would just do those shootings with their handgun when a teacher wasn't around. As before in school shootings where semiautomatic rifle is used, I'm skeptical of armed teachers or guards ability to deter an attacker armed with a rifle since it provides such a huge advantage over someone armed with a handgun.


Data file attached as a zip like before.


1+ people actually shot:

 

[Jchrisls]

Of course more gun laws are on the way. Because they are so effective.



See! The school shooter only broke 49 laws!
Another surely would have stopped him.

 

[NYCGuy]

New law: In order to qualify for NICS purchase: 25 years old unless married with children, police, or military with rank.

What do you guys think? I’ll tell you, i’m glad me and my 18 yr old friends didn’t have AR’s. Wouldn’t have done anything evil of course, just probably would have rattled off some shots in the backyard on July 4th type thing lol. 18 year olds are just not what they were in 1890. We can’t expect anyone that age to behave nowadays. 25 is the new 18. Do you disagree?

 

[Will556]

For those saying the answer is armed security you’re wrong unless that security is walking around with a rifle, and protected in a manner to prevent being snuck up on and dispatched first. Tops had armed security and he failed to stop the slaughter.

That statement doesn’t quite make sense to me. No one ever really knows what kind of situation you’re gonna find themselves in. 99.9% of people carrying firearms carry pistols even though they know that for the most part their pistols are inferior to rifles. With them knowing there is a chance they might face someone with a rifle, they still carry pistols regardless, because something is better than nothing. Just because someone might not have the ability/opportunity to carry a rifle doesn’t mean they should just not carry a pistol and choose to have no option.

Yes, making it so the security couldn’t be “snuck up on” would be a situation for the perfect world but in the same manner it’s not ideal. Unless this officer is completely barricaded with only one ingress/egress to prevent being snuck up on it’s not really gonna happen. By barricading themselves they’re even more likely to be reacting to a situation if it occurs instead of acting in the first place. The barricaded security will now have to leave their barricaded area and go find the threat anyway. Also by forcing the armed security to one specific area and if the threat has previous knowledge of this exact location that has the perfect ingress/egress, it makes it extremely predictable to know where the armed security will be coming from.

Just as most people would, if they can use a rifle instead of a pistol they would choose to do so. But sometimes it just doesn’t end up that way. It’s not like pistols can’t get the job done as long as the shooter does their part in the right situation. The Texas church shooting back in 2019 is a good example. The shitbag killer used a shotgun and a guy with a pistol killed the piece of shit before he continued.