NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[kev74]

Remember when Clinton was president and they said the reason kids run around causing trouble at night was because there weren't enough playgrounds? They started throwing money at cities to build and refurb playgrounds and started midnight basketball events.

They should throw money at building public shooting ranges so kids have somewhere safe to shoot and they won't have to shoot in the streets.

They would also be helpful to handle the influx of new handgun proficiency course customers, at least until these BS roadblocks get declared unconstitutional in 10 years.

 

[Egret-II]

Can’t read it. Newsweek wants me to subscribe

I couldn't read it either. What I did was. Took a quick screenshot before the subscription message popped up. Then you scroll down a little bit. Rinse and repeat

 

[Acer-m14]

“… Hochul said Friday she would like to see the state pass specific gun-free zones "

huchul wants to set up free kill zones ... what she really means i think ..

how about passing Criminal Free Zones ..

 

[Saltwater60]

And a proficiency requirement like one handed, iron sights, hit a 1" square at 100 yards.

Then cops can’t carry guns either, but maybe that’s the goal.

 

[atc250r]

Copied and pasted Newsweek article:

Gov. Kathy Hochul and legislative leaders were finalizing an agreement Monday to amend New York’s concealed-weapons permitting process — adding 15-20 hours of training, including live-fire practice, for example — when the State Legislature convenes Thursday.
Lawmakers are planning to return to the State Capitol for an “extraordinary session” to address a U.S. Supreme Court decision last week striking down the state’s century-old concealed-carry law. The court effectively said New York’s criteria for issuing permits was too subjective.
In reaction, the governor and leaders of the Senate and Assembly were planning to change the law in two major ways: Adding some objective requirements, such as a minimum amount of training and a background check, and detailing a list of “sensitive areas,” such as public transit, where concealed weapons would be outlawed.

Some of the terms being discussed include “live-fire training,” which the state doesn’t mandate now for a concealed-weapon permit, a source said. Applicants also might be required to complete an in-person interview with a licensing agent.
Sensitive areas might include transportation hubs, courts, schools, playgrounds, libraries, municipally owned stadiums and any place serving alcohol.

The governor indicated lawmakers want to give private businesses the authority to keep guns off their premises. Sources said businesses would have to affirmatively “opt in” to declare they are allowing guns. The default position would be for businesses to prohibit guns.
“We’re going to have sensitive places identified, where you cannot bring guns. It will not be on subways. It will not be on buses,” Hochul told reporters Monday. “We’re going to have a whole host of places restricted.”
She added: “We’re also looking at increasing the requirements for receiving a pistol permit — enhanced training, safe storage."
The Supreme Court struck down a New York law, on the books since 1913, that placed limits on carrying guns outside the home.
The court said the old state law was too restrictive because it required applicants for a concealed-carry gun permit to show “proper cause” and “good moral character,” which were too vague and subjective.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh, in a concurring opinion, said New York and six other states impacted by the ruling still “may continue to require licenses for carrying handguns for self-defense so long as those states employ objective licensing requirements” used by 43 other states.
Analysts zeroed in on that passage, saying it provides New York lawmakers a path for action.
“New York can still have a permit law. But will have to do it within the confines of the new … standard,” Robert Spitzer, distinguished service professor emeritus at SUNY Cortland and author of “The Politics of Gun Control,” told Newsday last week.
With Michael Gormley

 

[Steal2B]

Copied and pasted Newsweek article:

Gov. Kathy Hochul and legislative leaders were finalizing an agreement Monday to amend New York’s concealed-weapons permitting process — adding 15-20 hours of training, including live-fire practice, for example — when the State Legislature convenes Thursday.
Lawmakers are planning to return to the State Capitol for an “extraordinary session” to address a U.S. Supreme Court decision last week striking down the state’s century-old concealed-carry law. The court effectively said New York’s criteria for issuing permits was too subjective.
In reaction, the governor and leaders of the Senate and Assembly were planning to change the law in two major ways: Adding some objective requirements, such as a minimum amount of training and a background check, and detailing a list of “sensitive areas,” such as public transit, where concealed weapons would be outlawed.

Some of the terms being discussed include “live-fire training,” which the state doesn’t mandate now for a concealed-weapon permit, a source said. Applicants also might be required to complete an in-person interview with a licensing agent.
Sensitive areas might include transportation hubs, courts, schools, playgrounds, libraries, municipally owned stadiums and any place serving alcohol.

The governor indicated lawmakers want to give private businesses the authority to keep guns off their premises. Sources said businesses would have to affirmatively “opt in” to declare they are allowing guns. The default position would be for businesses to prohibit guns.
“We’re going to have sensitive places identified, where you cannot bring guns. It will not be on subways. It will not be on buses,” Hochul told reporters Monday. “We’re going to have a whole host of places restricted.”
She added: “We’re also looking at increasing the requirements for receiving a pistol permit — enhanced training, safe storage."
The Supreme Court struck down a New York law, on the books since 1913, that placed limits on carrying guns outside the home.
The court said the old state law was too restrictive because it required applicants for a concealed-carry gun permit to show “proper cause” and “good moral character,” which were too vague and subjective.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh, in a concurring opinion, said New York and six other states impacted by the ruling still “may continue to require licenses for carrying handguns for self-defense so long as those states employ objective licensing requirements” used by 43 other states.
Analysts zeroed in on that passage, saying it provides New York lawmakers a path for action.
“New York can still have a permit law. But will have to do it within the confines of the new … standard,” Robert Spitzer, distinguished service professor emeritus at SUNY Cortland and author of “The Politics of Gun Control,” told Newsday last week.
With Michael Gormley

So, requiring live fire firearms training will reduce gun crime and mass shootings. Since criminals follow the licensing process making sure they are a good shot will save lives. Got it.

 

[Saltwater60]

So, requiring live fire firearms training will reduce gun crime and mass shootings. Since criminals follow the licensing process making sure they are a good shot will save lives. Got it.

She’s just being a petulant and a sore loser.

 

[Grimscale]

Tomorrow is primary election day. Is anyone trying to hold incumbents who screwed us accountable? No.

YES

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

 

[Jmac00]

I've been thinking about this for a couple days, and this is what I believe NY will do:

Mind you, this is just speculation on my part, but it comes with knowledge of how Albany and tyrants impose their will on their subjects.

The legislature will propose a law that moves the pistol licensing authority to the NYSP, taking the issuing authority away from (in most cases) the County Sheriff. This will allow for one standard, not one for each county. It will also transfer all records to one central database which, in all reality has already been established through NYSAFE and it's recirtification scheme. Then the legislature will decree that all permits issued will now have a 5 year (or shorter) lifespan, and that they must be renewed on time or your firearms will be confiscated. This will not only apply to handguns, but to all guns. Remember that bit in NYSAFE where it says that if you become ineligible to posess your pistols, then you are no longer eligible to posess long guns ? Well, this is the fruit of that. There will now be a fee attached to the renewal of your permit. Amendment fees will be increased as well. They will mandate a minimum amount of certified training in order to keep your permit, in the form of X hours per the lifespan of the permit. Permits issued outside of NYC will still be invalid in the city.

The new semi-automatic purchasing scheme will be fully incorporated with the pistol permit, but will in itself be a seperate permit with it's own set of fees. The database will be fully crossreferenced, as will the duration of each permit. Let one permit lapse, and the other will be forfeited automatically. Any firearm purchased under the semi-auto permit will be recorded the same as a handgun. Make, model, serial number, caliber, etc.

Make no mistake, there will be NO letters sent to you as a reminder that a permit will expire on a given date. It will be completely your responsibility to remember when your permit(s) expire and to renew them on time.

The NYSP will finally set up the ammunition purchase database that was set forth in NYSAFE. They will also initiate a FOID card which will need to be shown to the store at time of purchase. They will record every ammunition purchase, and any bulk purchases, or any person purchasing "too much" ammunition over time will be flagged as suspicious and therefore watched with higher scrutiny. It is possible that the caliber of ammunition you purchase may be checked against the databases to match what you are purchasing against what you own. That would allow them to potentially spot someone buying ammunition for a prohibited person. [ I don't think the matching ammo to what you own will be part of the launch of the system, but will be added on eventually. ]

In order to make an amendment to your license, there will be one location per county that you will have to go to. The designated NYSP office of each county will allow ( by appointment only, of course ) you to submit amendments, and will be so backed up with processing that you will wait at least 60 days to get the approval to do the transfer. This is by design.

Lastly, any long gun transfered under any condition will have to be done through a FFL and those records will be sent to NYSP as well. All this combined will eventually establish a complete gun registry for the State. The only guns not listed in it will be the ones that the criminals have and use.

I hope I'm completely wrong on all counts. I doubt that I am.

you're probably pretty close here, my only question would be ~~~wheres the money coming from to do all this.

Your suggestions are good, but someone is going to have to pay from all this shit. Like the ammo data base, even cumhole couldn't make it work. Heir Hochol will have to come up with an entirely new computer system, that no one have designed yet. The state will have to hire programers/code writers and work for the next three years to make it work, without bugs. It will have to come online, flawlessly. NY does not have the capability to do that. Who knows, maybe hochol will hire the chinese to come up with a program, LOL
I don't really give a shit one way or another, I'll soon be outa New Yorkistan, forever

 

[Grimscale]

I thought "safe storage" laws were already thrown out?

 

[Cavalry]

Second, why do 4 persons (non felons) still have to sign the application, even for home permit? This is racial discrimination.

Is non felon status dictated by your county? I believe in mine its in county residents that are non-family, no other limitations.

 

[livingston]

California Defying Supreme Court Decision On Concealed Carry Permits!!!​

In this video I discuss the state of California's response to the recent Supreme Court ruling in NYSRPA v. Bruen. The state released a letter to all law enforcement about removing "good cause" but it also outlines their plans to deny permits going forward.

 

[livingston]

From the comments section from the you tube posted above...

GrayWolf​

11 hours ago (edited)
What is defined as “good moral character” in California? The same state that passed a law where you can sleep with someone underage and not go to jail. Or anything below 900 dollars isn’t really stealing.

 

[Cavalry]

but someone is going to have to pay from all this shit. Like the ammo data base,

Thats so easy I cant believe they have not thought of it. Have a per transaction background check fee. Hell, set it up like the shopping bag fiasco, so the state gets the fee and the vendor has to supply the product for free.

 

[atc250r]

Thats so easy I cant believe they have not thought of it. Have a per transaction background check fee. Hell, set it up like the shopping bag fiasco, so the state gets the fee and the vendor has to supply the product for free.

Don't give them any ideas!!!

 

[BerettaGuy]

Who is NY state to ban firearms in a place of worship? This should be a congregation issue and none of the governments business.

I think they have visions of sending in a squad of police to frisk the congregants looking for scary criminals carrying in church while giving Janes Revenge a wink and a nod.

 

[redtail]

The sp recertification page is still the same, working as normal.
If you are due for recertification of your “lifetime permit” it might be wise to do so sooner than later.
.02

 

[pshift]

I've been thinking about this for a couple days, and this is what I believe NY will do:

Mind you, this is just speculation on my part, but it comes with knowledge of how Albany and tyrants impose their will on their subjects.

The legislature will propose a law that moves the pistol licensing authority to the NYSP, taking the issuing authority away from (in most cases) the County Sheriff. This will allow for one standard, not one for each county. It will also transfer all records to one central database which, in all reality has already been established through NYSAFE and it's recirtification scheme. Then the legislature will decree that all permits issued will now have a 5 year (or shorter) lifespan, and that they must be renewed on time or your firearms will be confiscated. This will not only apply to handguns, but to all guns. Remember that bit in NYSAFE where it says that if you become ineligible to posess your pistols, then you are no longer eligible to posess long guns ? Well, this is the fruit of that. There will now be a fee attached to the renewal of your permit. Amendment fees will be increased as well. They will mandate a minimum amount of certified training in order to keep your permit, in the form of X hours per the lifespan of the permit. Permits issued outside of NYC will still be invalid in the city.

The new semi-automatic purchasing scheme will be fully incorporated with the pistol permit, but will in itself be a seperate permit with it's own set of fees. The database will be fully crossreferenced, as will the duration of each permit. Let one permit lapse, and the other will be forfeited automatically. Any firearm purchased under the semi-auto permit will be recorded the same as a handgun. Make, model, serial number, caliber, etc.

Make no mistake, there will be NO letters sent to you as a reminder that a permit will expire on a given date. It will be completely your responsibility to remember when your permit(s) expire and to renew them on time.

The NYSP will finally set up the ammunition purchase database that was set forth in NYSAFE. They will also initiate a FOID card which will need to be shown to the store at time of purchase. They will record every ammunition purchase, and any bulk purchases, or any person purchasing "too much" ammunition over time will be flagged as suspicious and therefore watched with higher scrutiny. It is possible that the caliber of ammunition you purchase may be checked against the databases to match what you are purchasing against what you own. That would allow them to potentially spot someone buying ammunition for a prohibited person. [ I don't think the matching ammo to what you own will be part of the launch of the system, but will be added on eventually. ]

In order to make an amendment to your license, there will be one location per county that you will have to go to. The designated NYSP office of each county will allow ( by appointment only, of course ) you to submit amendments, and will be so backed up with processing that you will wait at least 60 days to get the approval to do the transfer. This is by design.

Lastly, any long gun transfered under any condition will have to be done through a FFL and those records will be sent to NYSP as well. All this combined will eventually establish a complete gun registry for the State. The only guns not listed in it will be the ones that the criminals have and use.

I hope I'm completely wrong on all counts. I doubt that I am.

You just gave them the playbook since I'm sure that there are some NYSP and/or NYS personnel lurking in this forum. They had no plan, and you just gave them a template to work from...

In all seriousnesses, the ruling class in this state are nothing more than a bunch of punative escapees from a mental institution and we need to think about and be aware of all issues on the Albany Front....

 

[Newguyhere]

Who cares about gun laws in NY. She bought my vote with the property tax rebate check.

 

[livingston]

You just gave them the playbook since I'm sure that there are some NYSP and/or NYS personnel lurking in this forum. They had no plan, and you just gave them a template to work from...

In all seriousnesses, the ruling class in this state are nothing more than a bunch of punative escapees from a mental institution and we need to think about and be aware of all issues on the Albany Front....

The playbook has been on a hard drive for 20 or so years

 

[Truebeliever]

The playbook has been on a hard drive for 20 or so years

He acts like they hasn’t already haven’t done it in other parts of the state already .

 

[Tisto]

He acts like they hasn’t already haven’t done it in other parts of the state already .

Not all of us live close enough to smell the rat shit, garbage and homeless pissing on the streets of the Rotten Apple. How you do your tyranny may be very different than the rest of the State, and those of us in cow country really don't pay any attention to it. You know why ? It's because we just don't give a shit about that cesspool or what they do there.

 

[prambo]

Guess this thread is as good a place as any for this...

Thread by @lone_rides on Thread Reader App


"You don’t like the decisions yesterday and today?

You’re really not going to like the next part.

I mean, it’s your fault, but you’re not going to like it.

See, we were cool with the status quo. [Note added by prambo - I wasn't.]

Yeah, we wanted abortion to go back to the states. Yeah, we wanted gun rights expanded. Yeah, we wanted our kids safe from LGBTQ indoctrination.

But it wasn’t enough to fight about.

We thought you were like us, that we could argue and make small gains and lose some ground but everything staying fairly level and levelheaded.

But boy, were we wrong."

 

[masterswimmer]

Not all of us live close enough to smell the rat shit, garbage and homeless pissing on the streets of the Rotten Apple. How you do your tyranny may be very different than the rest of the State, and those of us in cow country really don't pay any attention to it. You know why ? It's because we just don't give a shit about that cesspool or what they do there.

Unfortunately that apathy has translated into lesser upstate voter turnout. Yet the votes from New York Shitty still elect the representation in Albany that effects even those of us outside the Shitty. You know, the tail wags the dog sort of thing

 

[Tisto]

you're probably pretty close here, my only question would be ~~~wheres the money coming from to do all this.

Your suggestions are good, but someone is going to have to pay from all this shit. Like the ammo data base, even cumhole couldn't make it work. Heir Hochol will have to come up with an entirely new computer system, that no one have designed yet. The state will have to hire programers/code writers and work for the next three years to make it work, without bugs. It will have to come online, flawlessly. NY does not have the capability to do that. Who knows, maybe hochol will hire the chinese to come up with a program, LOL
I don't really give a shit one way or another, I'll soon be outa New Yorkistan, forever

I think there will be much more than my original predictions, but that was the 35,000 foot view. Their list of places that you can no longer carry a concealed weapon will be pushed as far as they can get away with. They will go way further than would be considered constitutional by any first semester political science student, knowing that it will take years to make it to court. They will ban .50 caliber rifles based on the kinetic energy model that Canada used 2 years ago. That will cover anything more powerful than a .375 H&H. Say goodbye to your .338 Lapua Mag. There will be much more to follow. You'll be lucky to have a longbow.

This will be a real shitstorm.

As far as funding, they don't care. They will take it from the serfs, just like they take all the other $$$$ that they want.

 

[Tisto]

Unfortunately that apathy has translated into lesser upstate voter turnout. Yet the votes from New York Shitty still elect the representation in Albany that effects even those of us outside the Shitty. You know, the tail wags the dog sort of thing

Can you cite the permit issuing rules of all the counties at the other end of the State from you ? No ? I didn't think so. You know why ? Because it doesn't affect you.

 

[nortatoga]

Guess this thread is as good a place as any for this...

Thread by @lone_rides on Thread Reader App


"You don’t like the decisions yesterday and today?

You’re really not going to like the next part.

I mean, it’s your fault, but you’re not going to like it.

See, we were cool with the status quo. [Note added by prambo - I wasn't.]

Yeah, we wanted abortion to go back to the states. Yeah, we wanted gun rights expanded. Yeah, we wanted our kids safe from LGBTQ indoctrination.

But it wasn’t enough to fight about.

We thought you were like us, that we could argue and make small gains and lose some ground but everything staying fairly level and levelheaded.

But boy, were we wrong."

Good read,if you didn't click the link you should there is more then what @prambo shared!!

 

[Truebeliever]

Not all of us live close enough to smell the rat shit, garbage and homeless pissing on the streets of the Rotten Apple. How you do your tyranny may be very different than the rest of the State, and those of us in cow country really don't pay any attention to it. You know why ? It's because we just don't give a shit about that cesspool or what they do there.

It was a comment on how they already have their plan lined up and nothing said on this forum “ gave” them the idea.
And maybe you in cow country should pay attention because downstate controls the state government and is forcing these things on you like the SAFE act or the new permits for semi auto rifles.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I think they have visions of sending in a squad of police to frisk the congregants looking for scary criminals carrying in church while giving Janes Revenge a wink and a nod.

I'm thinking they could set up metal detectors at the entry way to all riot zones and crack houses.