If you can't see the difference between Iran and those 3 then I don't know what to tell you. Life must be very simple in your world.
US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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holdover
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Yes thats the sales pitch, but your going to have to show receipts . You have to show this on paper because Im unaware of it . Not talking about Israel . the US .
in my opinion the only reason Iran didnt attack Israel directly was BECAUSE of the US . they had no chance in a pitched battle with us . it was Israel that picked a fight with them . Yes they were involved in covert and asymmetrical warfare against Israel ,and to extent aided the iraqis but did not want to poke the bear and start a fight they couldn't win with the US .
so when you say they were fucking up our people , you have to explain it further , I just dont see it , not enough to start leveling their country back to the stoneage
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That was your premise. (going to have nukes as opposed to having them already ) not mine
the difference is clear they have nukes
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Heres a fucking Idea, lets spend our money at home and mind our own business.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
what? me moving the goal posts? holy shit! Butterfly effect much? Your going to justify the US war against iran because of hamas? are you for real?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I've been following that story as well, didn't want to post it here until more details.
But he has been fairly absent from recent public appearances.
Could be a coincidence, maybe not.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Show receipts? Show this on paper? Unaware of it?
Have you not been paying attention for the last 47 years?
Yeah, I think I'm done with you too.
*click*
There are now 2 members on my ignore list. That's 2 more than usual.
I don't think it's anti American at all to question this.
I want to be America first/America only. I want what's good for America.
I fell hook line and sinker for GWOT, OIF, OEF, weapons of mass destruction, patriot act etc. I'm very skeptical of everything because we were all lied to for the sake of pushing an agenda.
Truth is the first casualty.
I don't want to get dragged into another war based on lies and half truths. If we are fighting we need to have the resolution and commitment to do it properly.
I am just struggling with the entire chain of events and making it make sense to me. That's no anti American to question if we are being told the truth. Here's an example,
Trump launched midnight fury.
Said nuclear program was destroyed
Said nuclear program was an immediate risk
Setup negotiations meetings with Iranian diplomats to discuss solutions, bombed the meeting.
Launched epic fury to wipe out an imminent nuclear threat that was already destroyed
Said it would be over in a couple weeks.
The straight of Hormuz is closed. Said it needs to be opened. Said we need help to open it. Said we don't need help will do it on our own.
Need 200Billion more for the war effort (but can't pay TSA agents and fix America)
No boots on the ground not ground troops..(but of course.....)
Nothing makes sense. I really worry Trump I had been co-opted by the shadow government and specifical interests (Israel) to do Israels bidding for them. Israel is the little loud mouth kid always picking a fight and when someone stands up to Israel they run and grab their big brother to do the dirty work for them to meet at the flagpole at 3.
We're constantly being told conflicting statements and half truths. I have a problem with that. How can I trust our government to do the right thing when they can't even honestly tell us what they are doing or why they are doing it.
And for the record I absolutely do not trust Iran. Not at all. They were full of bad people. This isn't some Iranian sympathizer post. Just questioning WTF is going on and why it's not anti patriotic to question and hold our government accountable.
I would have a stronger opinion one way or the other if I genuinely knew what irans nuclear situation was. What were they really trying to do. It's all hush hush and been swept to the side and we will probably never get the truth.
I want to be America first/America only. I want what's good for America.
I fell hook line and sinker for GWOT, OIF, OEF, weapons of mass destruction, patriot act etc. I'm very skeptical of everything because we were all lied to for the sake of pushing an agenda.
Truth is the first casualty.
I don't want to get dragged into another war based on lies and half truths. If we are fighting we need to have the resolution and commitment to do it properly.
I am just struggling with the entire chain of events and making it make sense to me. That's no anti American to question if we are being told the truth. Here's an example,
Trump launched midnight fury.
Said nuclear program was destroyed
Said nuclear program was an immediate risk
Setup negotiations meetings with Iranian diplomats to discuss solutions, bombed the meeting.
Launched epic fury to wipe out an imminent nuclear threat that was already destroyed
Said it would be over in a couple weeks.
The straight of Hormuz is closed. Said it needs to be opened. Said we need help to open it. Said we don't need help will do it on our own.
Need 200Billion more for the war effort (but can't pay TSA agents and fix America)
No boots on the ground not ground troops..(but of course.....)
Nothing makes sense. I really worry Trump I had been co-opted by the shadow government and specifical interests (Israel) to do Israels bidding for them. Israel is the little loud mouth kid always picking a fight and when someone stands up to Israel they run and grab their big brother to do the dirty work for them to meet at the flagpole at 3.
We're constantly being told conflicting statements and half truths. I have a problem with that. How can I trust our government to do the right thing when they can't even honestly tell us what they are doing or why they are doing it.
And for the record I absolutely do not trust Iran. Not at all. They were full of bad people. This isn't some Iranian sympathizer post. Just questioning WTF is going on and why it's not anti patriotic to question and hold our government accountable.
I would have a stronger opinion one way or the other if I genuinely knew what irans nuclear situation was. What were they really trying to do. It's all hush hush and been swept to the side and we will probably never get the truth.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
Seriously. I was going to try to respond with some facts to that "Unaware" bit but anyone who says that is choosing willful ignorance.
But just a few tidbits:
608 US soldiers directly by Iran during the Iraq campaign: Iran Killed 608 American Troops in Iraq War: Pentagon
19 US servicemen in Khobar towers bombing 1996 Khobar Towers bombing - Wikipedia
241 US Marines (and 58 French) in 1983 truck bomb: 1983 Beirut barracks bombings - Wikipedia (the planner of whom was killed in an airstrike in this campaign)
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Of course it's not, but answers to questions should be credible and based on facts.
Personal insults and glossing over certain facts do not demonstrate credibility.
Me too.
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Bigfoot
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"President Donald Trump issued a 48-hour ultimatum to Iran on Saturday, warning the U.S. would strike its power plants if the Strait of Hormuz is not reopened."
www.foxnews.com
"If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST!" Trump said in a post on Truth Social."
Trump gives Iran 48-hour ultimatum to reopen Strait of Hormuz or face strikes on power plants
Trump warns Iran it has 48 hours to fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz or the U.S. will strike and obliterate its power plants, starting with the largest.
www.foxnews.com
"If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST!" Trump said in a post on Truth Social."
Empty words from the mickey mouse club. They dont say they are going to do anything about it, they just "condemn" it.
Yes, I'm sure Iran is going to stop attacks dueing a war because someone wrote a letter saying they're bad.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
This link has a ton of various news reports, mostly from the last 24 hours.
www.foxnews.com
Iran reportedly targets key US base with long-range missiles during Operation Epic Fury
Iran fired two intermediate-range ballistic missiles toward Diego Garcia, a key U.S.-U.K. military base in the Indian Ocean, reports said. Neither missile struck the base, which is used as a critical launch point for U.S. bombers, nuclear submarines and other strategic assets.
www.foxnews.com
By that logic all math tests can only be scored 0% or 100%. There is no space for getting 1 question wrong on a battery of questions.
Not saying they aren't possibly farther along than known, but the logic that we got one thing wrong so throw everything else out doesn't hold.
spat
.950 JDJ
They've basically been waging was on us continuously since 1979.
Iranian and Iranian-Backed Attacks Against Americans (1979-Present) https://share.google/7QW7NFkhHM8eeqOyq
They literally tried to assassinate Trump. That *alone* justifies the current campaign. Why do some people think their incompetence excuses that ?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Actually I have been paying attention , problem is you haven't. you can Ignore me the way you ignore history. You cant show what you stated was true. Iran has gone out of its way to not engage the US directly in any way thereby giving the US justification to crush them
Keeping an open mind to the fact that there are as many dissenting opinions as there are in support, one should accept at a minimum there are larger and unknown issues at hand.
Jefferson cautioned us to mind our own business and avoid foreign entanglements...20 years in Afghanistan should have reinforced that, but there are those who control the ones We elected or were selected to "lead" the Country.
This is above my pay grade, but is said to hold the answers to why Wheels are in motion: The U.S. National Security Strategy Document – November 2025 - World Policy Hub
C3D
.338 Win Mag
No other way to say it: you are completely disingenuous in your posting. There are numerous links/events posted above where Iran has directly caused the deaths of many many Americans. The facts/history are 100% of the opposite of what you are claiming.
Unless you believe those events above did not occur as described. Is that your contention?
Iran is a big Country, and by numerous intelligence reports has been making all the spit balls for multiple Groups/Organizations/Countries to throw, so while they might not be the ones pulling the trigger, they did supply the gun and ammunition.
Russians were supplying Logistical Support to other Countries during the Cold War to bolster their presence around the World, and in fairness I expect America (CIA) did it too, all with expectations of conquering by proxy....say, isn't that the excuse the previous administration used for
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
#1 is true , covert elements of Iran did assist Iraq in the war . the US goverment was fully aware of it but did not choose to engauge . for information purposes, China and Russia sent troops to Vietnam and also engaged US forces there. the US also sent in covert forces to Ukraine .
#2 Hezbollah, is closely tied to Iran but is not Iran .
3# Barracks bombings in 82 were done by the Lebanese. because we were in capital
This demonstrates that for the last 50 years, this is the best you can come up with , and your justification is for something they did during the gulf war 15 years ago ?
what can I say, cheer your teem on
C3D
.338 Win Mag
The funny thing about your views is that you are not only wrong, you are not even internally consistent in your errors.
Post #2028: "Iran has gone out of its way to not engage the US directly in any way"
Post 2031: "#1 is true"
So Iran is both not engaging the US directly in any way, but also directly killed at least 608 US soldiers in Iraq.
I'll tap out on that note since you don't have a leg to stand on.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No I addressed them, I feel that in no way the acts of Hezbollah , and the Lebanese justify an attack on Iran. And the fact that Iranian covert forces were killing American troops should have been delt with at the time . It would have been justifiable to respond , but the Gov choose not to. To come back 15 years later and claim thats the reason is total bullshit. it wasnt the reason
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
You failed to show that Iran has been Attacking the US for the last 47 years, so yeah You should tap out .
directly being the key word . They covertly worked with Iraq to kill Americans , moving whole divisions of armor across the border to engage US forces would be suicide and Invite the US to crush them Covertly they could get away with it on a small scale . if that clears it up for you
You know as well as I do that direct action against the US would invite a devastating response . They have been carefull not to invite an ass kicking , you think they didnt notice what we did to Saddams army? they fought them to a stand still for ten years Lost millions of men , the US walks in and takes Bagdad in a month . utterly lays waste to entire army in weeks .
Fuck no they dont want direct confrontation with the US , common sense.
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Theres so many, you only posted 3, 2 of which were wrong .
the history speaks for itself , you want to assign every terrorist attack in the world to Iran. How about the Hooties ? you forgot that one ?
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
learn to read your sources , and come back. most of them were not done by Iran . propaganda
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain
While obviously different, someone shooting off a Bottle Rocket is technically "launching a Missile".This link has a ton of various news reports, mostly from the last 24 hours.
Iran reportedly targets key US base with long-range missiles during Operation Epic Fury
Iran fired two intermediate-range ballistic missiles toward Diego Garcia, a key U.S.-U.K. military base in the Indian Ocean, reports said. Neither missile struck the base, which is used as a critical launch point for U.S. bombers, nuclear submarines and other strategic assets.
spat
.950 JDJ
Iran was behind every single one of those.
Every bit as much as the US was behind the bay of pigs.
What a ridiculous comparison. A math test compared to the nuclear capability of an insane theocracy. Life must be simple in your world as well.