NY AOW’s

[Marine Cpl]

Are AOW’s legal in NY? I know in the past, people in this state have been able to get AOW’s like the Serbu. It is my understanding that you need a tax stamp from the feds.

What about an AR15 AOW? Not a “Just a firearm” like the Mossberg Shockwave where it’s neither a rifle, pistol, shotgun, or an AOW. If you buy or build a “Just a firearm” , you do not have anything from the feds that says that it’s just a firearm. It can easily be mistaken to be an Assault Weapon Pistol since it resembles one exactly in our laws.

But an AOW AR15 would have a specific tax stamp by the feds that you paid for and I’m assuming some type of documentation to go along with it via serial number saying that it’s an AOW.

Discuss. I’m totally ignorant on AOW’s, the process to get one, and the paperwork you get from the Feds.

 

[BDinPutnam]

What, precisely, would define an "AR AOW"?

Like the MP5 in a briefcase design? You mentioned the Serbu.

Yes, manufactured correctly, you could have that here (or the Serbu). Or a pen gun (I think).

The rifled barrel is where you get into issues if you are thinking along the lines of the Shockwave- which is a "firearm" for 4473 purposes and NOT an AOW for NFA purposes. See the whole thing with what Franklin Armory has been doing vis a vis "it isnt a 'rifled' barrel per ATF."

My two cents.

 

[Marine Cpl]

An AR AOW would be an AR15 with a brace and a forward grip that has an overall length of less than 26 inches. You would need ATF paperwork for that which may be a good thing.

An AR “Firearm” is the same but with an overall length of more than 26 inches. No paperwork needed which can be a bad thing.

By bad I mean that since you have no paperwork, you have no leg to stand on if they say it’s a pistol with a forward grip where with an AOW, you may have something specific in your name in your possession stating that it’s an AOW via serial number.

 

[FrankenCub]

Last I knew from what I was reading a couple years ago, the only AOW to pass NY muster was a smoothbore pistol. I may have interpreted things wrong though, not hard the way NY's F'ed up penal law is.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I dont want to pass on incorrect info so will stand down for now but I think that is "right-ish", @FrankenCub.

 

[FrankenCub]

I dont want to pass on incorrect info so will stand down for now but I think that is "right-ish", @FrankenCub.

I was looking into it for a while, wanted one for shooting bushy tail tree rats. The only way I could find around it was a smoothbore pistol originally designed that way. Couldn't bore the rifling out either. I don't beieve an AR AOW is even possible, I think the semi-auto kills the deal right there. Pretty sure it has to be manually reloaded. So, pretty much a shotgun never made with a shoulder stock is the only way. Has to originally be a pistol frame.

 

[Twogunwilly]

When you buy a lower it is an AOW, same procedure as any long gun.

 

[BDinPutnam]

When you buy a lower it is an AOW, same procedure as any long gun.

Uh, no.

Stripped lower is an "other" on the 4473.

An AOW (Any Other Weapon) is a very different thing that is an NFA issue, not a transfer/background issue when you buy say a Shockwave or stripped lower at your FFL. If not, Serbu's would be in every shop in this state.

Completely different body of law.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I was looking into it for a while, wanted one for shooting bushy tail tree rats. The only way I could find around it was a smoothbore pistol originally designed that way. Couldn't bore the rifling out either. I don't beieve an AR AOW is even possible, I think the semi-auto kills the deal right there. Pretty sure it has to be manually reloaded. So, pretty much a shotgun never made with a shoulder stock is the only way. Has to originally be a pistol frame.

I don’t think semi automatic would be a factor since it isn’t a semi automatic rifle, pistol, or shotgun. It would be an AOW which is none of the above.

The question would be if the ATF would process the paperwork being that you are a NY resident. If they do process it and give you the stamp, NY couldn’t really do anything about it since AOW’s aren’t mentioned in the law.

 

[BDinPutnam]

PS - "who's on first?"

 

[Twogunwilly]

Ah shit my bad, been in the sun all day painting, carry on.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Ah shit my bad, been in the sun all day painting, carry on.

No sweat, brother! Oh Btw my back steps need painting, lol.

 

[Twogunwilly]

No sweat, brother! Oh Btw my back steps need painting, lol.

Only if I need 4 sections of scaffolding, 2 pick boards and a step ladder to reach the top.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Only if I need 4 sections of scaffolding, 2 pick boards and a step ladder to reach the top.

Well hell- if you want to start at the top of the A Frame and make your way down... really just the steps need it.

On point, @Marine Cpl I can't see ATF processing it not least because a tax stamp requires local LEO sign off for processing.

 

[Twogunwilly]

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[Robin]

Is an AOW, like an ISP?
Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

Well hell- if you want to start at the top of the A Frame and make your way down... really just the steps need it.

On point, @Marine Cpl I can't see ATF processing it not least because a tax stamp requires local LEO sign off for processing.

That sucks. There goes that idea unless I have @GOPerfect sign it for me.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Well hell- if you want to start at the top of the A Frame and make your way down... really just the steps need it.

On point, @Marine Cpl I can't see ATF processing it not least because a tax stamp requires local LEO sign off for processing.

Local leo doesn't need to sign off anymore

 

[Different Drummer]

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[Edwardteach72]

That sucks. There goes that idea unless I have @GOPerfect sign it for me.

Go would not have been able to able to sign off for it.. it wasnt just LEO to sign off it was the Cheif LEO, but that part has been taking off the process

 

[Edwardteach72]

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These don't require a tax stamp.

What he is referring to is an AOW which is an NFA item and has a $5 tax stamp. Generally referring to something such as the following..



And this.

 

[FrankenCub]

I don’t think semi automatic would be a factor since it isn’t a semi automatic rifle, pistol, or shotgun. It would be an AOW which is none of the above.

The question would be if the ATF would process the paperwork being that you are a NY resident. If they do process it and give you the stamp, NY couldn’t really do anything about it since AOW’s aren’t mentioned in the law.

New York State NFA Rules and Allowable NFA Items

 

[Marine Cpl]

New York State NFA Rules and Allowable NFA Items

It makes no mention of AOW's unless I missed it. Just machine guns, silencers, and Assault rifles, pistols, and shotguns, and short barreled rifles and shotguns.

 

[BDinPutnam]

It makes no mention of AOW's unless I missed it. Just machine guns, silencers, and Assault rifles, pistols, and shotguns, and short barreled rifles and shotguns.

Not to speak for him but, that was his point I think.

Edit- @Edwardteach72 I take it the local LEO signoff change is a rule change, not a statutory change?

That will change in the stroke of a pen.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not to speak for him but, that was his point I think.

Edit- @Edwardteach72 I take it the local LEO signoff change is a rule change, not a statutory change?

That will change in the stroke of a pen.

The CLEO signature went away with the new update about fingerprints and what not with trust and shit

 

[BDinPutnam]

The CLEO signature went away with the new update about fingerprints and what not with trust and shit

Thanks Ed I didnt catch that because, well, New York. I'm still trying to convince my FiL in Michigan to grab a stamp or two for our endeavours there (not least because he works at a dealer) but he doesn't like the intrusiveness embedded in the NFA registry and (rightly) thinks its money stupid-spent since none of it can come to me here when he ultimately passes.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So if there is no Chief of Police sign off anymore, can I get a lower registered with the ATF as an AOW?

 

[BDinPutnam]

No because as you well know or should by this point, a lower AR by itself cant meet the definition of an AOW.

 

[Jem45472]

No because as you well know or should by this point, a lower AR by itself cant meet the definition of an AOW.

But that is how we build ar pistols.

 

[Edwardteach72]

But that is how we build ar pistols.

But a pistol doesnt require a tax stamp