Wanna Shoot Like John Wick?

[Marine Cpl]

This video showed up on my YouTube feed. Very interesting. Will try it next weekend.

Edit. The first two videos are in depth instruction.

Part 1

Part 2


Just a video that shows recoil management.

 

[Blimey]

Center Axis Relock is such an awesome name for a stance there must be something to it. I thought John Wick had that stance just to look more bad-ass, like half gangsta pose. I had no idea it was a real thing.


EDIT: Watched the guy's vid. It looks pretty awkward for his wife. I can't believe the amount of recoil control is as good as with a conventional stance. He talks about CQB but then they are doing slow, accurate shots, which isn't consistent with that.

 

[Bananabandit]

Im not trying to brag here but I taught John Wick how to shoot.

 

[Darth]

Also used in the new Splinter Cell games.

 

[Blimey]

Center Axis Relock: Is John Wick Right or Wrong?

John Wick does it...does the center axis relock (CAR) method have any place in real training? Or is it another Hollywood movie gun sin?

www.pewpewtactical.com

 

[kev74]

Do not like.

The funky thumb position looks like an invitation to have the gun taken away.

I also didn't like how close the muzzle was to the daughter's arm when shooting from the lower position.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Well I’ve been trying it around the house peeling corners. It works excellent for that. The sights also don’t fuzz out for me. Seems that is what it’s designed for. CQB. Not for slow fire with slow deliberate pulls like you do in the range. Also, if you watch the entire first video rather than skimming through it, you will see that transitioning to the more common Isoceles Stance for longer distances is rather easy.

 

[GOPerfect]

Close quarters, I have found this technique to be quite useful and actually quite simple to "master" Up to about 10-15 feet, pretty accurate. Didn't seem to take too long to get the grip down, at first, felt kind of retarded and not normal. After gripping over and over, seems to become almost natural.

And to repeat a bit of Wills' point, when a fahter shot is needed, takes a split second to alter grip and reach out further.

 

[Shoots100]

During CQB, it's sometimes the only way to fire, so it's a training technique that should be taught.
Like the man says, it's just another tool in the tool box.
When I first tried this technique, I used a pistol with a laser.
Made it a lot easier to get my muzzle angle correct and know I wasn't going to shoot myself when firing from a fast draw.
I also practiced weak side as well, as life isn't a movie, where all the aggressors come at you from your strong side.
Being a left handed shooter, the brass flying in my face when shooting to my right side with a semi auto was the hardest part to get used to, so I practiced with my revolvers a lot and found out you really need to watch your support hand placement in relation to the front of the cylinder, especially with a snub nose during a quick draw.
After a few days of practice, I had no issues firing live rounds accurately and am glad I took the time to learn the technique.
SJC

 

[Jem45472]

Recoil management in that second video is actually pretty impressive.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Here’s a demonstration. Shooting at close distance. Shooting while sitting.

 

[Jem45472]

Any of you running a red dot? I've been researching this stance a bit because I never heard of it until of course seeing John Wick, which I thought was typical Hollywood bs.
Turns out this stance is for cqb and getting quick hits on target without getting your gun taken away and used on you. The downside is it can be inaccurate at distances greater than 10 yards or so.. The original version of the center axis relock was using a Weaver type stance, and lining up the gun to your non dominant eye to prevent seeing double. It looks like in the movie (which he did extensive training for) he is using a slightly modified version of the center axis relock using a modified isosceles stance, and lining the gun up with the dominant eye.


Now I've been playing with this for a little bit today, and with the red dot on my gun, I can go from the low ready position like in the videos above, to the extended canted stance extremely fast and guess what - my red dot is lined up perfectly every time and it doesn't wander at all because you are much closer to it.I'm wondering if this can be pretty damn fast and accurate with a dot on the pistol. My pistol is going back in for a recall, so I won't be able to try it for a bit, but truth be told, I would like somebody else with much more experience than me to try it and see what they think.

P.s. It's a bit wierd at first holding so close to the face, but with the slide locked back there is still about 4" or so from your noggin.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Here’s a demonstration. Shooting at close distance. Shooting while sitting.

C.A.R. is bullshit fuckick waste of time. It's only use is gunfoo movies. Anyone that waste their time on it thinking its useful for anything other than movies is an idiot

 

[Edwardteach72]

Here is the thing.. CAR was created by a LAPD Swat officer back in the early 90s (1994 iirc) guess how many departments have adopted it in that time period... LAPD? nope none, its gunfoo nonsense

 

[Marine Cpl]

I’m actually quite surprised it took you so long to come in here.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I’m actually quite surprised it took you so long to come in here.

Was on a mini-vacation to scranton with the gf all weekend/monday.


Gunfoo moves are dumb

 

[Marine Cpl]

Correct. Movies are dumb. So is using an isosceles stance while sitting or when the target is 2 feet in front of you or slicing a pie in a really tight corner.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Correction CAR is retarded

 

[Marine Cpl]

Anyway. For those who see Center Axis Relock as an additional tool for close quarters and realize that it isn't a total replacement for all shooting scenarios where both thumbs are forward with arms fully extended, here is where the Center Axis Relock can come in handy in our everyday life.

 

[togmaster]

Was on a mini-vacation to scranton with the gf all weekend/monday.

That's no excuse you need to be here 24/7. I mean how else are we going to keep Will's nonsense in check.

 

[Edwardteach72]

That's no excuse you need to be here 24/7. I mean how else are we going to keep Will's nonsense in check.

I will get better I promise hahaha

 

[Edwardteach72]

Anyway. For those who see Center Axis Relock as an additional tool for close quarters and realize that it isn't a total replacement for all shooting scenarios where both thumbs are forward with arms fully extended, here is where the Center Axis Relock can come in handy in our everyday life.

Oh I'm sure @Bullcreek_Strategic or @OnSight Firearms Training may have vehicle classes (I believe Rochester personal defense does as well) hell I bet the Sig Academy has vehicle classes, I'm sure any one of those will be a good place to go learn C.A.R. I'm sure it's in the vehicle curriculum

 

[GOPerfect]

Oh I'm sure @Bullcreek_Strategic or @OnSight Firearms Training may have vehicle classes (I believe Rochester personal defense does as well) hell I bet the Sig Academy has vehicle classes, I'm sure any one of those will be a good place to go learn C.A.R. I'm sure it's in the vehicle curriculum

I have trained quite a bit from a seated, in car position.

I just train, no name to my training techniques. I practice until the training feels good.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I have trained quite a bit from a seated, in car position.

I just train, no name to my training techniques. I practice until the training feels good.

So how many class hours have you logged for this training from seated in a car? With what trainer?

 

[GOPerfect]

So how many class hours have you logged for this training from seated in a car? With what trainer?

I do not train with trainers.

Everything I know, besides the training I received in the Army, is self taught and self learned.

I have met with and talked to a few trainers; I was never impressed.

I watch and learn from others, I take pointers from others, but no trainers persay.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I understand why you are so obsessed with trainers Edward. The Navy never really built a shooting foundation for you. They never sent you to a school where to teach you CQB tactics. They never taught you advanced patrolling techniques, how to maximize fields of fire, how to use cover to your advantage, or anything of that nature. So you must seek that foundation elsewhere just like the rest of the civilians that take those classes.

Most that have the foundations already in place, can actually self teach themselves via video instruction or from others that have attended training and can give you pointers. You can pick and choose what works for you.

There is no correct way to do anything. It’s like martial arts. A smart martial artist will use a blending of different styles so that he can be versatile.

 

[GOPerfect]

I understand why you are so obsessed with trainers Edward. The Navy never really built a shooting foundation for you. They never sent you to a school where to teach you CQB tactics. They never taught you advanced patrolling techniques, how to maximize fields of fire, how to use cover to your advantage, or anything of that nature. So you must seek that foundation elsewhere just like the rest of the civilians that take those classes.

Most that have the foundations already in place, can actually self teach themselves via video instruction or from others that have attended training and can give you pointers. You can pick and choose what works for you.

There is no correct way to do anything. It’s like martial arts. A smart martial artist will use a blending of different styles so that he can be versatile.

This is spot on. Throughout my 25 years in the Army, I went through some amazing training.

Some of the training would make same people jealous. Pure awesome.

I have picked up a bunch of techniques from members here, co workers, online videos. I watch others shoot at public ranges, I watch and ask questions. I learn as much as I can.

I do different things to improve my skills, some feels good, some feels bad. I do use that that feels bad and wrong for me.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I understand why you are so obsessed with trainers Edward. The Navy never really built a shooting foundation for you. They never sent you to a school where to teach you CQB tactics. They never taught you advanced patrolling techniques, how to maximize fields of fire, how to use cover to your advantage, or anything of that nature. So you must seek that foundation elsewhere just like the rest of the civilians that take those classes.

Most that have the foundations already in place, can actually self teach themselves via video instruction or from others that have attended training and can give you pointers. You can pick and choose what works for you.

There is no correct way to do anything. It’s like martial arts. A smart martial artist will use a blending of different styles so that he can be versatile.

And I understand why you dont want to go seek any formal training. Learned how to shoot a rifle what 15 years ago and so you know everything.

Prove me wrong I'd love for you to calls any actuall reputable instructor (I listed a few) and ask to be taught CAR. Remember your the one who calls instructors snake oil salesmen and internet commandos.. then watch john wick and think that Hollywood gunfoo is a legit thing.

Again you have this really bad ego that prevents you from actually taking a class because we both know you would be disappointed on your performance. Pretending that bit of training you got in the army/marines is actually still useful when you havent done shit since

 

[GOPerfect]

Another thing as well, some train and train and train...

Some will never be able to take a life. It is not as easy as some think!

 

[Edwardteach72]

I do not train with trainers.

Everything I know, besides the training I received in the Army, is self taught and self learned.

I have met with and talked to a few trainers; I was never impressed.

I watch and learn from others, I take pointers from others, but no trainers persay.

So you dont actually train...