NYPD arrests people over social distancing

[holdover]

Im not saying this doesn't happen,There's no absolutes here, from what Im seeing, the majority tends to be over 50. That what the references are telling me. I'm not seeing any convincing data that says otherwise. If you look at the age groups that have died, they are saying the mortality rates
for 80 years old are close to 10% whereas 40-49 year olds are 0.5 -1 %

I don't doubt what you and Will ( your Mom) are saying. Its that the overall situation doesn't seem to be that way if what I'm reading is correct.

 

[holdover]

You are going to have to show Holdover proof.

That's correct. Your getting proof and evidence confused , Your showing me evidence supporting what your saying , but its not strong enough to stand on its own . Im posting data from across the field of doctors, experts ,eyewitness accounts, center of disease control , head of the task force on the corona virus to support what I'm saying. The evidence Im putting forth is gaining in strength everyday. And (disclaimer) it doesn't prove Im right either.

Even you yourself , had to agree that this is getting a little over the top . which was what I was saying from day one .

 

[Marine Cpl]

That's correct. Your getting proof and evidence confused , Your showing me evidence supporting what your saying , but its not strong enough to stand on its own . Im posting data from across the field of doctors, experts ,eyewitness accounts, center of disease control , head of the task force on the corona virus to support what I'm saying.

You are posting internet shit. Go to a hospital in the city and interview a nurse. Ask her if people that aren’t old and frail are dying. It is only a 5 hr drive. You said that you want to get out of the house. Come to the belly of the beast and find out definitively rather than relying on internet shit. Park your car in the Bronx and take the train to Brooklyn.

I can post internet shit about guns with all kinds of statistics that show them as bad too.

 

[holdover]

Everything we talk about is on the internet Will. The center for disease control in on the internet , the president is on the internet. We cant even have a conversation with out it. Its a 5 hour drive to Albany WTF are you drinking?

Jesus fucking Christ WIll ,Im not driving to fucking Manhattan to ask somebody a question. I want to see cold hard numbers

 

[Marine Cpl]

Everything we talk about is on the internet Will. The center for disease control in on the internet , the president is on the internet. We cant even have a conversation with out it.

Jesus fucking Christ WIll ,Im not driving to fucking Manhattan to ask somebody a question.

Then you’ll continue to drive yourself crazy reading this nonsense until you do.

You don’t trust the CDC?

 

[holdover]

NO I posted stuff from the CDC!! You know, internet stuff.

 

[Marine Cpl]

NO I posted stuff from the CDC!! You know, internet stuff.

Did you post stuff about CDC reports regarding the young? Because the CDC disagrees with you.

 

[holdover]

Ok show me where.

 

[Darth]

Here's the long and short of it :

Even if it was happening at the rate they claimed, that STILL would not be a justification for this.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Google CDC young. Lots of articles. And if you don’t believe those articles, I believe Amtrak has trains to the city. You can drive to the nearest one if 5 hrs in a car is too much.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Find the station nearest you.

Amtrak Train Stations in New York State | New York by Rail

Amtrak has several train stations throughout the state of NY. Our Amtrak Station directory provides links to each railroad station in New York.

www.newyorkbyrail.com

 

[Darth]

"If volcanoes are so safe, why don't you jump in one?"

Yet I'm still unconcerned with volcanoes.

 

[Marine Cpl]

"If volcanoes are so safe, why don't you jump in one?"

Yet I'm still unconcerned with volcanoes.

Me too Darth but some here say they aren’t pussies and that no virus scares them.

 

[holdover]

80% of US coronavirus deaths have been among people 65 and older, a new CDC report says

Heres more internet stuff from CDC:


As of March 16, a total of 4,226 COVID-19 cases had been reported in the United States, with reports increasing to 500 or more cases per day beginning March 14 (Figure 1). Among 2,449 patients with known age, 6% were aged ≥85, 25% were aged 65–84 years, 18% each were aged 55–64 years and 45–54 years, and 29% were aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). Only 5% of cases occurred in persons aged 0–19 years. Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, 36% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years. Less than 1% of hospitalizations were among persons aged ≤19 years (Figure 2). The percentage of persons hospitalized increased with age, from 2%–3% among persons aged ≤19 years, to ≥31% among adults aged ≥85 years. (Table). Among 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 7% of cases were reported among adults ≥85 years, 46% among adults aged 65–84 years, 36% among adults aged 45–64 years, and 12% among adults aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). No ICU admissions were reported among persons aged ≤19 years. Percentages of ICU admissions were lowest among adults aged 20–44 years (2%–4%) and highest among adults aged 75–84 years (11%–31%) (Table). Among 44 cases with known outcome, 15 (34%) deaths were reported among adults aged ≥85 years, 20 (46%) among adults aged 65–84 years, and nine (20%) among adults aged 20–64 years. Case-fatality percentages increased with increasing age, from no deaths reported among persons aged ≤19 years to highest percentages (10%–27%) among adults aged ≥85 years (Table) (Figure 2).

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6912e2-H.pdf

Note how I gave a link and reference!!! I'm not making shit up as I go , I actually read the stuff!! I understand that you don't consider the CDC as valid source , but Other normal people do.

 

[holdover]

Me too Darth but some here say they aren’t pussies and that no virus scares them.

Still others cant comprehend what they read.

 

[Darth]

Me too Darth but some here say they aren’t pussies and that no virus scares them.

Sounds like some are simply not as concerned about the total line of overreactionary BS they've been fed.

 

[holdover]

Well said.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Sounds like some are simply not as concerned about the total line of overreactionary BS they've been fed.

You expect me to live in fear? Listen, I can see if there thousands of deaths in my area, a dozen or two people I know that died. I can except that . I get it. The odds of me contracting it are incredibly slim. the odds of me surviving it are high. What am I afraid of? You seriously expect me to go hide under a blanket ? Really? Stay six feet back, wear a mask, wash your mail, stay in your cell, (I mean home.) don't ask questions , don't talk back, do what your told? Or the virus will get ya?

Im sorry man, this shit just goes against my grain. I don't have a vagina , and until I'm face to face with the reaper, I don't worry about him either. Id prefer to live my life the way I want to live it, not living in fear being told how to live it

 

[holdover]

That quote is perfectly correct. It simply says Im not afraid of being hit by comets while others huddle in their closets .

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nobody said anything about comets. Your argument was that you are healthy enough to survive it. That the young don’t have to worry. The CDC says the opposite. The young do have to worry. And people in your age group as well. But if you don’t worry, great! That’s fine. But the argument you keep pushing that only the elderly and weak have to worry is bullocks.

 

[holdover]

No it wasn't. You have a serious comprehension problem.

 

[holdover]

I just posted a report from the CDC and link to it saying your wrong.

 

[holdover]

But the argument you keep pushing that only the elderly and weak have to worry is bullocks.

Ok ,the CDC an I are wrong . You need to call them up and tell them to stop making false reports

 

[holdover]

News Week.

As the outbreak of the new coronavirus continues to grow, experts around the world are working tirelessly to understand the characteristics of the mysterious new disease named COVID-19. That includes calculating its death rate, and seeing how it compares to that of other deadly diseases like Ebola, SARS and MERS.

What is known among experts as the case fatality rate—but commonly referred to as the mortality or fatality rate—is calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the total number of people infected. For instance, if 100 people die out of 1,000 people infected by any given disease, the mortality rate would be 10 percent.

As such, the mortality rate of a disease is changeable, and depends on a range of factors including the location of an outbreak, the health status of the infected person, and how much data has been accurately collected on the cases and deaths caused by the disease.

For the new coronavirus, which causes a disease called COVID-19, the average mortality rate is estimated to be in the range of 1 to 3 percent, Mike Tildesley, associate professor in the department of Life Sciences at the University of Warwick told Newsweek.

A summary of a report on over 72,000 COVID-19 cases by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in the journal JAMA on Monday showed the case fatality rate was 2.3 percent on average, spiking to 14.8 percent in those aged 80 and above.

At present, COVID-19's fatality rate is relatively low compared to other deadly virus outbreaks in recent memory. Ebola, which in 2014 killed over 11,000 people in West Africa, has had a fatality rate between 25 percent to 90 percent depending on the outbreak.

"It is completely understandable to be worried about mortality rates and evidence suggests that those most at risk are the elderly and those with underlying health conditions," said Tildesley.

Coronavirus Mortality Rate: How COVID-19 Fatalities Compare to Ebola, SARS

The new coronavirus has spread to over 40 countries and territories, killing almost 3,000 people.

www.newsweek.com

Dr. Bruce Aylward has almost 30 years experience in fighting polio, Ebola and other diseases, and now, he’s turned his attention to stopping the spread of COVID-19.
Aylward, the senior adviser to the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO), is one of the world’s top officials in charge of fighting the coronavirus pandemic.
The doctor, who led a joint WHO mission to China in February to study the effectiveness of the coronavirus response in the country, has seen firsthand the measures Beijing took to fight the virus. Now he’s sharing what he learned with governments and communicating with the WHO response teams working to fight COVID-19 in virus epicenters around the globe.
In an extensive teleconference interview with TIME from his office in Geneva, Aylward shared what he thinks needs to be done to stop the pandemic, and what the future might hold..

More internet stuff.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Either I forgot how to read or you did. On the official CDC website (Not A cherry-picked source) it says different regarding only the weak and elderly dying or needing hospitalization . I don’t know what you are talking about.

Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19

COVID-19 can result in severe disease, including hospitalization, admission to an intensive care unit, and death, especially among older adults. Everyone can take actions, such as social distancing...

www.cdc.gov

 

[holdover]

Oh you definitely did . That whole post confirms exactly what I said it did. Jesus Will didn't you read it first? WTH.

From your post:

Since February 12, 4,226 COVID-19 cases were reported in the United States; 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths occurred among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years. These findings are similar to data from China, which indicated >80% of deaths occurred among persons aged ≥60 years (3). These preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including ICU admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with COVID-19. In contrast, persons aged ≤19 years appear to have milder COVID-19 illness, with almost no hospitalizations or deaths reported to date in the United States in this age group. Given the spread of COVID-19 in many U.S. communities, CDC continues to update current recommendations and develop new resources and guidance, including for adults aged ≥65 years as well as those involved in their care (7,8).


Approximately 49 million U.S. persons are aged ≥65 years (9), and many of these adults, who are at risk for severe COVID-19–associated illness, might depend on services and support to maintain their health and independence. To prepare for potential COVID-19 illness among persons at high risk, family members and caregivers of older adults should know what medications they are taking and ensure that food and required medical supplies are available. Long-term care facilities should be particularly vigilant to prevent the introduction and spread of COVID-19 (10). In addition, clinicians who care for adults should be aware that COVID-19 can result in severe disease among persons of all ages. Persons with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 should monitor their symptoms and call their provider for guidance if symptoms worsen or seek emergency care for persistent severe symptoms. Additional guidance is available for health care providers on CDC’s website (Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)).

 

[Marine Cpl]

I guess you didn’t want to continue reading or you conveniently stopped before it got to the 12 percent of adults 20 to 45 needing hospital admission. 36 in your age group. How typical. How about you read the whole thing?

Wasn’t your argument that only the weak and elderly....oh never mind. What’s the point. It’s a grand conspiracy. We all have nothing to worry about. All the people with masks and gloves and 6 feet distance confined to their prisons are stupid. Your words.

 

[holdover]

No that's completely irrelevant to the fact .I never posted or inferred that ONLY old people get it . Not once. Only that the majority who die are elderly . and No I didn't see that posted anywhere in the article , If you would kindly copy and paste that part for me to read I would appreciate it .


This was the thing that caught my eye . which was relevant to what I have been telling you for 30 pages.

Since February 12, 4,226 COVID-19 cases were reported in the United States; 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths occurred among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years.

Among 44 cases with known outcome, 15 (34%) deaths were reported among adults aged ≥85 years, 20 (46%) among adults aged 65–84 years, and nine (20%) among adults aged 20–64 years. Case-fatality percentages increased with increasing age, from no deaths reported among persons aged ≤19 years to highest percentages (10%–27%) among adults aged ≥85 years (Table) (Figure 2).

SO please post that reference TY.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You said in this thread one page back! Countless of other times in the other thread. I’m done. Believe what want.

 

[holdover]

Ok. But wheres the part of your link where it states ""12 percent of adults 20 to 45 needing hospital admission.""

I did not see that in your link. Not that I doubt it, but I want to read it.