And my reason remains simple: First in Line
Should not matter if it's my daughter, or Pelosi's.
Or anything else.
Awarding on age ?
Then 15 trumps 16, right ?
A conversation of abortion and Down Syndrome
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And my reason remains simple: First in Line
Should not matter if it's my daughter, or Pelosi's.
Or anything else.
Awarding on age ?
Then 15 trumps 16, right ?
I used those ages for a reason. You spoke of elderly care, I gave an example of that and that only.
You wanted a spirited discussion, you got it.
But please understand I am in no way angry with you, or anyone who disagrees with me.
Adults can discuss difficult issues without melting down.
But please understand I am in no way angry with you, or anyone who disagrees with me.
Adults can discuss difficult issues without melting down.
I live for heated debates. I think it brings the best out most people.
Hell, I have not even given my opinion yet on the original question.
That is somewhat of an easy question. Life is rarely that easy. Same situation but this time the choice is between a 45 year old overweight chain smoker and a 63 year old with diabetes. Who gets it then?
In our world right now the one with the best health insurance package (i.e. most generous) would probably get it.
And the one with a Politician in the family, obviously.
spat
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Heated debate with intelligent and well informed opponents is one of the best ways to sharpen your intellect.
Living in an echo chamber is a shortcut to a brain full of mush.
Not my relatives.
Hell, "No Thanksgiving" was a gift to them.
I have strong opinions, and can back them up.
They'd rather discuss Sports and mebe the Disney Channel (but likely not all of even that).
Correct, it was an easy example. Easy is easy. In Scandinavia, they made the question of DS abortion an easy one. Well, as easy as they could.
I am, before anything else, a realist. I try to live an easy, realist type of existence. Most choices are easy for me because of that,
An "Echo Chamber" is better than "Howling off a Cliff", in a vain attempt to educate idiots who can't hear any alternative views.
And I don't mean anyone here. People here are the best people I know.
spat
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Organs in our current system are doled out by panels of doctors. Money can't change hands.
In theory as long as you can afford the surgery, money doesn't make a difference.
Certainly power does though, you can bet Pelosi wouldn't spend much time on a waiting list for a new liver that's for sure.
Money and power are very close relatives, so....
spat
.700 Nitro Express
People are very protective of their echo chambers.
You will not have any success trying to wake them up in groups.
You need to slowly separate one from the herd before you can open their eyes.
HARTHEIM CASTLE EUTHANASIA KILLING CENTER
Hartheim castle, a euthanasia killing center where people with physical and mental disabilities were killed by gassing and lethal injection. Hartheim, Austria, date uncertain.
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Exactly!!
Birth control is freely available, and often without cost.
Thus, there is little excuse for "unwanted" children, whether "normal" or handicapped.
More to the point, rationalizing abortion of any child you don't want, with a few exceptions - incest or rape for example - is, by definition, murder. I will neither argue about nor justify this statement, so don't even ask.
Abortion will lead, sooner or later, to genocide, whether by governments or evil people. Which of the black babies aborted in the fUSA under the auspices and aggressive "marketing" of Planned Parenthood would have been another MLK, Jr., Clarence Thomas, Candace Owens, Ben Carson, Walter Williams (RIP) or Thomas Sowell?
Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood - she was a bald faced eugenicist and racist - AKA a Nazi.
Abortion is murder.
Don't agree???
We'll never know, which is to our detriment
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I think I'm going back to discussing the Mystery Monolith
When my wife was pregnant we had the test preformed. We both had individuals in our families with sever disabilities and loved them dearly. Also we were older increasing the chances of problems. We were beside our selves with the decision to get the test because we did not know what we would do if it came back bad. We figured to go ahead with the test and if the results were bad then we would make the decision on what to do. The results came back good so we were not in the difficult position of making the decision.
These are for sure some of the toughest discussions one can have.
These are for sure some of the toughest discussions one can have.
If I was 90 and offered the heart and I knew the next person on the list was 18, I would give it to them.
I think it brings honestly because in the heat of the speech you tend to weigh your words less.
In 2003, I was deployed with the US Army. During the Pre-mob, I was given many shots. Many shots.
At the time, there were four stages to the Anthrax shot. Series one, two, three and four.
I stood in line and took number one. A week later, I received number two. A week later, I was to get # three. They ran out. I started over. Got one, two, three and they ran out of four.
Started over. I received, one, two, three and finally I got number four. All told, I received nine of these shots in a very short amount of time.
We were told not to impregnate anyone. Women were told not to get pregnant.
We went home on a weekend pass shortly after. Yep, my wife became pregnant. I left again for a bit, came home shortly after the pregnancy occurred.
I went to the OBGYN for a sonogram, there was a problem.... The sonogram showed some serious issues. My wife and I discussed what we going to do. We made a decision. A week went by after we had made up our minds and she wanted one more sonogram, we went in and all turned out fine.
My son was born a few months later. We call him the Anthrax baby. Not all are strong enough to bring into this world a child with special needs.
At the time, there were four stages to the Anthrax shot. Series one, two, three and four.
I stood in line and took number one. A week later, I received number two. A week later, I was to get # three. They ran out. I started over. Got one, two, three and they ran out of four.
Started over. I received, one, two, three and finally I got number four. All told, I received nine of these shots in a very short amount of time.
We were told not to impregnate anyone. Women were told not to get pregnant.
We went home on a weekend pass shortly after. Yep, my wife became pregnant. I left again for a bit, came home shortly after the pregnancy occurred.
I went to the OBGYN for a sonogram, there was a problem.... The sonogram showed some serious issues. My wife and I discussed what we going to do. We made a decision. A week went by after we had made up our minds and she wanted one more sonogram, we went in and all turned out fine.
My son was born a few months later. We call him the Anthrax baby. Not all are strong enough to bring into this world a child with special needs.
I am not trying to tell anyone what to do with their kid. I am just against abortions, its a personal decision I made. My decision is just reinforced by my religion and the constitution, both I hold in the highest regard.
Agreed!!! As a country we are not doing a good job...
2.5 million homeless children
14 million children not getting enough to eat
ProgSpear
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OK, I read the entire thread and then came back to this entry...
The obvious answer is to let them both choose which class of gladiator they wish to be, and throw them into the arena. The one that walks out gets the organ. I’m assuming the organ in question is a quality organ like a Hammond SKX.
List of Gladiator Classes | Gladiator Types
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EDIT: OK, having exercised my sarcasm gene, my answer is I don’t care who gets an abortion, as long as you don't make me pay for it. I’m against it on general principle, and I have a real problem with people that approach a moral dilemma of this type casually, particularly if you are trying to pretend your casual attitude is a “morally superior” position, which is the tack usually taken by the “pro-choice” crowd. If you were truly pro-choice, you wouldn’t give me any crap regarding what methods or means I deem necessary to defend myself against societal predators, whether political or otherwise.
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I am the sibling of a disabled sister. Her needs dominated every moment of my family’s life. My sister is blind and not fully developed emotionally and physically. My mother told me she wished my sister would die. My sister’s twin did die at birth.
My father and mother had precious little time for me and my other 4 siblings. Unfortunately for the sister just older than me, was designated as the lifetime companion and caregiver to my disabled sister , a role she still fulfills as both my parents died decades ago. Her life has been forfeited to care for her sister. Sainthood is not worth it.
I dislike this line of reasoning. The parents of those children are responsible, not the country at large. I don't care for the "it takes a village to raise a child" train of thought. I am responsible for my children. I have one I will probably be caring for or financially supporting for many years if not decades. I neither expect nor require any assistance. This is my responsibility.
Wanted to quote you. This is near perfect.
My children have never been hungry because I provided for them. They have never needed free clothing because I supplied all they needed.
I have never used Government assistance and I never will.
If others have failed their children, that is on them, not me or my Country.
I too take responsibility of taking care of my child, but what about the 15 million children in this country not being taken care of? Not your problem, I get it...
I can answer that, again, comes of cold and heartless, but...
Not my responsibility. I have enough responsibility to me, my family and my career.