Polymer80 raided yesterday (12/10/20) by JBT

[fnfalguy]

Ghost-Gun Company Raided by Federal Agents

ATF agents raided one of the nation’s largest manufacturers of ghost-gun parts, a sign that federal law enforcement is cracking down on kits that allow people to make weapons at home.

www.wsj.com

My opinion on the pertinent parts of the article below

...The probe focuses on Polymer80’s “Buy Build Shoot Kit,” which includes the parts to build a “ghost” handgun. The kit, which Polymer80 sells online, meets the definition of a firearm, ATF investigators determined according to the warrant application....

..The ATF previously gave Polymer80 permission to sell unfinished receivers. But the Buy Build Shoot Kits, which are advertised as having “all the necessary components to build a complete...pistol” weren’t submitted to the agency for approval, according to the application for the search warrant. These kits can be “assembled into fully functional firearms in a matter of minutes,” the warrant application says...


On an important side note, miraculously, it does not appear that any dogs were harmed.

 

[1075tech]

I was just going to post this.

Anyway.... So according to the ATF, making, and selling, the 80% receiver is ok as long as you don't sell it with the rest of the parts? Makes perfect .gov sense

 

[fnfalguy]

Sounds that way. They are only parts, unless you have other parts, and in that case they may not be parts. Definitely a .gov logic path.

 

[dsdmmat]

Yeah I have a feeling they are just the latest in a long string of companies the .gov is going to violate in the next few years.

 

[Blimey]

As part of the investigation, the ATF identified multiple Polymer80 customers who were prohibited from buying guns because of prior criminal convictions.

This is why the 80% lower won't be legal much longer. Maybe manufacturers will go to a 70% or something, who knows. Or they'll just say it's illegal to build a firearm at home (politicians already talking about this) without a license.

The raid seems weird. Currently 80% are legal. And so are all the parts. Can the complaint be that they are sold together really, as opposed to just adding two separate items to your cart?

 

[Saltwater60]

They probably could have simply called them and said hey these kits aren’t legal stop doing it and they would have.
This is true government overreach and I hope the case gets tossed. With Biden incoming I doubt it.

 

[1075tech]

The raid seems weird. Currently 80% are legal. And so are all the parts. Can the complaint be that they are sold together really, as opposed to just adding two separate items to your cart?

That's essentially what they're saying. At least according to the article.

Marketing the 80% and parts kits together = illegal.

Marketing the 80% and parts kits separately = legal.

 

[Robin]

WTF, they just make it up as they go along! I have an unregistered drill and router ATF, bring it!
Robin

 

[SomeSoldier]

Sounds to me like the ATF should be disbanded.

Anyone think the ATF would show up at my house if I start a petition on Whitehouse.gov?

 

[drowhawk]

Sounds to me like the ATF should be disbanded.

Anyone think the ATF would show up at my house if I start a petition on Whitehouse.gov?

Unfortunately there was only one candidate that pledged to do this and you all think it's "wasting your vote."

This is TRUMP'S ATF.

 

[Blimey]

That's essentially what they're saying. At least according to the article.

Marketing the 80% and parts kits together = illegal.

Marketing the 80% and parts kits separately = legal.

Sounds like a difficult case to win for ATF. But that doesn’t matter; not their personal funds they are using to litigate and it will make other companies scared to do business.

 

[C3D]

I would assume that all unfinished receivers are now going to be firearms under a Biden executive order.

 

[cgrutt]

Or could it be they simply didn't ask momma for permission?

But the Buy Build Shoot Kits, which are advertised as having “all the necessary components to build a complete...pistol” weren’t submitted to the agency for approval

 

[technicalgadget]

Wow, I wonder if P80 gave up all their customer purchase records.

 

[1075tech]

Wow, I wonder if P80 gave up all their customer purchase records.

I'm sure those were "given up". Whether voluntarily or not is questionable.

 

[FRB]

Unfortunately there was only one candidate that pledged to do this and you all think it's "wasting your vote."

This is TRUMP'S ATF.

WRONG, the ATF does not change with various executive office leaders. They are government deep state scum.

 

[Celt]

The ATF is out of control, once Trump secures his second term I really hope he does something about them. If he wants to prove he is a friend to the Second Amendment doing something with that Rogue organization would really help.

Not that I expect it, but its wishful thinking.

 

[Toecutter]

ATF needs to go .

 

[Edwardteach72]

WRONG, the ATF does not change with various executive office leaders. They are government deep state scum.

So wait time out.

The ATF doesn't fall under the Executive branch? Weird.

Oh well its not like the current acting director of the ATF was a recent appointment.

Oh wait whats this Regina Lombardo is the current Acting Director of the FBI.. and has been since January 22, 2020.

Fuck I cant believe Biden appointed her almost a year ago.

Oh wait again.. whats this Attorney General Barr is the one who put the acting director in place???

Fuck Barr must be a left over of the Obama administration... WHHHAAATT President Trump appointed Barr in 2019 as Attorney General???


Yuuup left over from the last administration like @FRB points out

 

[Phazer]

Marketing the 80% and parts kits separately = legal.

Not for long.

 

[Saltwater60]

Wow, I wonder if P80 gave up all their customer purchase records.

I’m sure they aren’t saying anything right now but I’m sure they will get a court order for them. The question would be is it illegal for me to have an unfinished lower with the parts to finish it? I say no but that will cha be soon.

 

[Podmonkey]

Defund the ATF!

 

[Cooolone]

Ehhhh... Akin to Constructive Possession, is the ATF attempting to create a new legal paradigm of "Constructive Manufacturing" whereas a person or business possess all the ingredients for, here a firearm, together? In sale or shipment?

Utterly ridiculous!

So I don't order it as a kit, but all the parts separately from the same vendor, at the same time, this would also be a problem?

What new type of buffoonery is this? Is the ATF sending a signal to the assumed incoming administration that it wants to play ball? Hmmmmm...

Fucking Gov't hacks... Just fuck them where they breathe with this bullshit! Go fucking chase those gangbangers already and leave law abiding folk alone! There's enough criminal element out there to keep you busy without needing to "create" them! But I guess chasing those organized miscreants and their minions is more dangerous than trampling on a legit business trying to make a buck... Fuckers'

/End Rant

Carry on!

 

[FRB]

So wait time out.

The ATF doesn't fall under the Executive branch? Weird.

Oh well its not like the current acting director of the ATF was a recent appointment.

Oh wait whats this Regina Lombardo is the current Acting Director of the FBI.. and has been since January 22, 2020.

Oh wait again.. whats this Attorney General Barr is the one who put the acting director in place???

Yuuup left over from the last administration like @FRB points out

I HEAR YOU....... yes, you are correct , but in reality how much power or influence does an acting director or the appointed official have in regard to the entrenched swamp of the federal Government? That is what I was gettign at, did not word it too well now did I?

 

[Cavalry]

This is why the 80% lower won't be legal much longer. Maybe manufacturers will go to a 70% or something, who knows. Or they'll just say it's illegal to build a firearm at home (politicians already talking about this) without a license.

The ATF does not use a magical formula to determine percentage complete and nowhere will you see anything in their publications regarding percentage. 80% was a term adopted by builders/supporting companies to describe a product. An "80%" AK from example made from a flat is not even close to 80% complete, more like 80% to go...
If you submit a sample to the technical branch for evaluation it comes back as firearm or not firearm, nothing else.

 

[MothMan]

If you ain’t got your GG’s by now... My problem is trying to feed a dozen .40 cal semis.

 

[GOPerfect]

Unfortunately there was only one candidate that pledged to do this and you all think it's "wasting your vote."

This is TRUMP'S ATF.

See this, this right here is pure ignorance.

This has nothing to do with Trump or any other president in office.

So, by your way of thinking, if the Passport office makes mistakes, it is the fault of the President of the United States?

Release your hate and hide your ignorance ..

 

[drowhawk]

See this, this right here is pure ignorance.

This has nothing to do with Trump or any other president in office.

So, by your way of thinking, if the Passport office makes mistakes, it is the fault of the President of the United States?

Release your hate and hide your ignorance ..

LOL and when Biden is in office, all of a sudden it'll will be "Biden's ATF."

Release your ignorance and hide your blind loyalty.

See what I did there?

 

[spat]

This is why the 80% lower won't be legal much longer. Maybe manufacturers will go to a 70% or something, who knows. Or they'll just say it's illegal to build a firearm at home (politicians already talking about this) without a license.

The raid seems weird. Currently 80% are legal. And so are all the parts. Can the complaint be that they are sold together really, as opposed to just adding two separate items to your cart?

The company will win in court.

If they can afford the battle.

The ATF is counting on bankrupting them before they can run it all the way up.

Or forcing them into some bogus "settlement".

 

[Robin]

Yyyyyep!
Robin