Hunting accident leads to a Criminal Possession of A Weapon charge

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libertysnake said:
Interesting!

What I want to know is, what cowards are sitting there trying with all their might to show if they can break a fixed mag with their strength to ruin the life of someone obviously trying to comply? How sick in the head do you have to be to do that?
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You'd love the PoliceOne forum.

Back before NY made gravity knives legal those choads on there (NYC cops) would literally have a circle jerk about the "collars" they would get from taking a pocket knife and literally JUMPING OFF THE CURB WHILE DEPRESSING THE LOCK and if the blade moved open, cuff them and stuff them.

I'm dead serious.

They are not your friends.
 
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Darth said:
You'd love the PoliceOne forum.

Back before NY made gravity knives legal those choads on there (NYC cops) would literally have a circle jerk about the "collars" they would get from taking a pocket knife and literally JUMPING OFF THE CURB WHILE DEPRESSING THE LOCK and if the blade moved open, cuff them and stuff them.

I'm dead serious.

They are not your friends.
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You are absolutely correct.

I've been a huge knife person for a long time and are on many knife forums. I remember this clear as day with cops pushing the lock button and waving the knife around like a buffoon till it came out. As soon as it did, you are under arrest. Even if it took them a ton of tries.

It's also insanity that we still have automatic knife laws anywhere in the USA.

Doesn't do anything but jeopardize people's rights.

Yea, cuff'em and stuff'em....... :mad:
 
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ManualF150 said:
You are absolutely correct.

I've been a huge knife person for a long time and are on many knife forums. I remember this clear as day with cops pushing the lock button and waving the knife around like a buffoon till it came out. As soon as it did, you are under arrest. Even if it took them a ton of tries.

It's also insanity that we still have automatic knife laws anywhere in the USA.

Doesn't do anything but jeopardize people's rights.

Yea, cuff'em and stuff'em....... :mad:
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The have no accountability if they're wrong. Why not see what sticks?

Coming from someone that works in "in law enforcement."
 
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Darth said:
The have no accountability if they're wrong. Why not see what sticks?

Coming from someone that works in "in law enforcement."
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This is another reason why I spawned that AK thread to get an idea of what options were common out there.

Without a list of approved modifications to meet the definitions, we can only go by what the law says literally, and what configuration the majority of rifles are sold in trying to meet that standard. It makes the job of DAs really hard if there is a good precedent around a configuration being accepted or not prosecuted up until this point.

Either way, if they make the law they should be forced to define what is what. Which is hard to do. For example: on an AR-15, a bayonet mount could be the entire lug since there is no other purpose. On an AK, there isn't a separate hunk of metal just ears that hang off the accessory rail below the gas block, which holds your cleaning rod.

The moment they start defining anything will be the moment they realize they can't actually define all ways people could get around it.
 
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Acer-m14 said:
so the kid shot himself in the foot and some other guy talked to the cops and got jammed up ..

Only in NY .


Do Not Talk to Cops ..

That Means all LAW ENFORCERS
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As if people needed another reason not to talk to me.

The bunny getup wasn't enough. :cryingcat:
 
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Man gave consent to search truck, though not necessary, AS IT WAS A SHOOTING SCENE..............it took 5 officers to remove mag from AR10 gun...........but it came out.............

So--TO JAIL..................... FELONY ARREST

Being insulted by existing laws, and their enforcement, is no reason to hate cops.

Many circumstances happen in life..most unintended and unexpected, that suddenly involve LE in your life...................and then if vulnerable..kaput.

LEARN

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Zerex said:
Man gave consent to search truck, though not necessary, AS IT WAS A SHOOTING SCENE
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You keep saying this, mind clarifying what you are trying to get at?

The mere fact that a shooting has occurred does not grant police the right to search any and all nearby vehicles without a warrant. There are circumstances which would allow for warrant-less searches, but they are not anywhere near as universal or all-encompassing as you seem to be suggesting.

What we know is as follows: the person whose vehicle was searched was not the victim, nor was he suspected of involvement in the shooting, nor was he in the immediate proximity of the negligent party/victim. Given that limited information, the most reasonable assumption is that the guy gave consent for them to search his vehicle, as there would be no probable cause to do so without a warrant. Now, there may be more to the story that we don't know... if you're sitting on additional information, share it.
 
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This case is likely about use of a Mean Arms type Mag Lock..........if this case goes further, this may be the case that disallows ALL mag lock use in the state, on AR's, epoxy or not.

State may issue a Safe ACT clarification, about use of mag locks, on full features AR's...many many of them out there in use.

Only SCOTUS can save us, if true.
 
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Zerex said:
Man gave consent to search truck, though not necessary, AS IT WAS A SHOOTING SCENE..............it took 5 officers to remove mag from AR10 gun...........but it came out.............

So--TO JAIL..................... FELONY ARREST

Being insulted by existing laws, and their enforcement, is no reason to hate cops.

Many circumstances happen in life..most unintended and unexpected, that suddenly involve LE in your life...................and then if vulnerable..kaput.

LEARN

Letita James wins again.
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If you put on a uniform, then you stand for everything that uniform does.

When the uniform enforces tyrannical laws, then you are an agent of tyranny, no matter how you otherwise conduct yourself.

So, quite literally, if you don't think every law on the books is legitimate, then find another job.

and yes, that means there should be no cops until they clean up all the laws. Something really messy needs to happen before things will get fixed, might as well be anarchy.
 
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The family just started a Go Fund Me page. They also claim they dont know how the officer was able to release the mag and have been unable to repeat the release.
 
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How could they even try, when the AR was confiscated as an unregistered Assault Weapon?

We will get clarification soon, but not from fam..ask the NYSP TODAY.
 
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Zerex said:
Man gave consent to search truck, though not necessary, AS IT WAS A SHOOTING SCENE..............it took 5 officers to remove mag from AR10 gun...........but it came out.............

So--TO JAIL..................... FELONY ARREST

Being insulted by existing laws, and their enforcement, is no reason to hate cops.

Many circumstances happen in life..most unintended and unexpected, that suddenly involve LE in your life...................and then if vulnerable..kaput.

LEARN

Letita James wins again.
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I don’t hate cops hell my kids one. I know many who wouldn’t have even cared to check that mag. I do hate statists cucks and that’s exactly what the guy who got the mag out was.
 
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No matter what it is, the outcome will probably never be made public. If they keep us in the dark, they can keep jamming us up on how bad their day is going.
 
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According to Oneida County Sheriff, Robert M. Maciol, a Camden man, was arrested on November 30th, 2024, following a hunting incident involving an injury by a firearm.

On November 30th, 2024 at approximately 8:30 AM, Oneida County Sheriff's Deputies responded to a residence, located in the Town of Camden, regarding a hunting incident involving an injury by firearm. The hunting incident occurred in the Mad River State Forest, located on Meagher Wells Rd, in the Town of Florence. Throughout the investigation, it was discovered that a 17 year old male juvenile sustained an accidental self inflicted gunshot wound to his foot. The identity of the juvenile will not be disclosed at this time, due to being a minor. The juvenile was treated and transported by Camden Ambulance to SUNY Upstate for non life threatening injuries.

Further investigation was conducted by members of the Criminal Investigation Unit and as a result, Andrew R. Joyce (46), was charged with Criminal Possession of A Weapon in the third degree, a class D felony. Investigation revealed Joyce was in possession of a non NYS compliant AR-10 rifle.

Joyce was subsequently taken into custody and processed at the Camden Field Office. Joyce was transported to OCJ and is currently being held at the Oneida County Jail, awaiting Centralized Arraignment.

The Oneida County Sheriff's Office was assisted on scene by members of the NYSP, ENCON, and Camden Ambulance.
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Someday they're gonna jack up some old guy with this shit and realize to late they were on his hill.
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Kinda off topic, and just a guess, but since it took multiple officers trying to remove the magazine I can't help but wonder what type of magazine it was. I would imagine that even with the mag lock, if it was a polymer magazine that you could probably compress the sides and force it out. It's absolutely a dick move and goes against the whole meaning of the law. Someone isn't going to go into a shooter situation "hoping" they can get the magazine out to swap it out. This guy must've done something to piss off the cops for them to even want to search his truck. Like others have said, why would they even want to do that, let alone force out an otherwise locked magazine just to jam him up
 
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Holland said:
Kinda off topic, and just a guess, but since it took multiple officers trying to remove the magazine I can't help but wonder what type of magazine it was. I would imagine that even with the mag lock, if it was a polymer magazine that you could probably compress the sides and force it out. It's absolutely a dick move and goes against the whole meaning of the law. Someone isn't going to go into a shooter situation "hoping" they can get the magazine out to swap it out. This guy must've done something to piss off the cops for them to even want to search his truck. Like others have said, why would they even want to do that, let alone force out an otherwise locked magazine just to jam him up
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Not off topic at all. In fact this is a great catch and I wonder if it made the case dead in the water. I wish I’d be selected for a jury like this because I’d certainly vote not guilty. The only person I’d convict in a gun crime is a drug dealer, gang member, or someone with some serious issues where they are a huge red flag. All others it would be a not guilty vote especially for someone like this.
Really you almost have to be a huge moron to hunt with a noncompliant rifle or gun in a state forest. Your chances of running into a DEC officer or cop are greatly increased there.
 
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Dumb kid mouths off to the cops about his COMPLIANT FULL FEATURED MAG LOCKED GUN.

Think?

Mouths, are more responsible for many crimes, than guns.
 
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To get 5 cops, more interested in the gun and removing the mag, than the wounded kid and an ambulance ride, means something.

Argumentative kid or dad shouting that the gun is compliant..........".cannot remove the mag".................... and demanding the gun back...................a real sovereign type.

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9 things to prepare for when encountering sovereign citizens

Sovereign citizens fancy themselves outside of the laws of the land and don’t recognize the legitimacy of the U.S. government
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I don't know what a "sovereign type" is. The cop that busted up the gun should be the one on the grill. The fact that he is not goes to show what an oppressive tyrannical shit hole we live in.
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If he was the "sovereign type" I don't think he would have bothered making his rifle compliant. Look cops are people too and they can get pissed, this dude probably said something stupid, I don't know. The fact is that they are also supposed to be professionals. That's a lot of power to hold over us mere citizens (which BTW unless they are also serving in the military, they too are just citizens) there's no reason to fuck up someones life because they talked shit. Which we don't even know if that is what happened.
 
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