How do we stop crime in NY?

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spat said:
How about exponentially increasing sentences.

Your sentence for a crime is multiplied by the number of times you have been previously convicted of felonies.

This would have to be coupled with an end to prosecutorial discretion. You charge the exact crime they committed or nothing at all. You don't get to pretend that car theft was shoplifting because you're afraid you're throwing off some racial quota.
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On top of this, fix the education system so kids have more skills when entering the adult world, teach more real world skills, and have motivational teachers that inspire all kids. Reinstill the values of a nuclear family, stop incentivizing single moms having 11 kids with 11 different fathers by capping welfare benefits, make prison a place to be feared, require hard labor, limited to zero internet, tv, or "comforts" of life for all serious violent and predatory crimes. I could go on and on.
 
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fresch said:
What if schools had, call it shop class and home economics, where children could start to learn real skills.
Not sure if this could be done, perhaps we could get a grant to study this for 10 years, to see if it could fly.
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It starts at home ... Two socially responsible parents. Children need a role model to emulate . Dole out punishment (not excessive ) when needed.
 
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fresch said:
What if schools had, call it shop class and home economics, where children could start to learn real skills.
Not sure if this could be done, perhaps we could get a grant to study this for 10 years, to see if it could fly.
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My kids school in PA has both. I was rather surprised the NY schools they had attended did not.
 
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This is not how to stop crime in NY.

6th felony conviction, 2.5-5 yrs in state prison. Something tells me he will be working on felony #7 as soon as he gets out.

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GOSHEN – A 52-year-old Middletown man has been sentenced in Orange County Court to 2 ½ to five years in state prison on his previous guilty plea to a burglary charge. This is the sixth felony conviction for John Redner. AS alleged, on July 12, 2024, just after midnight, an employee of a nearby...
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This comes to mind…

Countries with the most severe punishments for crimes include:
These countries are noted for their harsh criminal justice systems and the severity of punishments they impose.
 
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Mk44 said:
This comes to mind…

Countries with the most severe punishments for crimes include:
These countries are noted for their harsh criminal justice systems and the severity of punishments they impose.
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If stoning people to death because they had a drink or had premarital sex is your thing then I have good news for you. Places that do this already exist. You listed some options, take your pick and head on over!
 
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Well common sense dictates you empower the police to enforce the laws, the prosecutors to seek appropriate punishments and judges to ensure justice is carried out fairly.

But NYS government has been built to crush common sense at every level.

So we’d need a new state government.
 
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pjzwtl said:
Remember being able to weld in the 8th grade? Good times
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Do you have any idea how many Mp5 and HK53s I'd have if I knew how to weld?

OP: It's simple. Criminals go back to the bottom of the importance list, instead of ahead of their victims. Criminals spend time in jail, instead of me spending more time in booking writing reports and redundant paperwork than they do incarcerated.
 
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The Romans never had any large prisons , yet they they kept the peace in an empire without them


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You get hit with this and I will garrentee you not commit another crime for at least six weeks , the time it takes to recover . Oh your a second offender ? you get twice as many if your stupid enough to commit another crime . Want to go for a third tough guy? We'll start removing body parts, The historically proven method of corporal punishment,

Fear works , A lot of criminals dont fear prison , that needs to be fixed
 
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They also had renewable modes of transportation,
"Ramming Speed!"
That helped keep down crime; plus losing a hand, head etc.
 
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Another one for the list: 3 perps, stolen vehicles, 4 LEO agencies involved, high-speed chase, helicopter and K9 support. Bad guys apprehended, charged....and released on appearance tickets.

www.whec.com

Three teens face charges after pursuit, search involving 4 police agencies

WEBSTER, N.Y. — Three teenage boys face charges after a pursuit Thursday involving four different police agencies.The pursuit started when, at about 3:30 p.m., an Irondequoit Police officer learned about a stolen car with three teens in it, who were trying to steal another car in the parking lot...
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thughes said:
Another one for the list: 3 perps, stolen vehicles, 4 LEO agencies involved, high-speed chase, helicopter and K9 support. Bad guys apprehended, charged....and released on appearance tickets.

www.whec.com

Three teens face charges after pursuit, search involving 4 police agencies

WEBSTER, N.Y. — Three teenage boys face charges after a pursuit Thursday involving four different police agencies.The pursuit started when, at about 3:30 p.m., an Irondequoit Police officer learned about a stolen car with three teens in it, who were trying to steal another car in the parking lot...
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But remember, teenage brains aren't fully developed yet. The district believes this so ardently that school times were changed so the poor, poor dears could get some extra sleep in the morning. I am not making that up. Apparently the "science" says so.
 
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Unlike when I was a teenager during the 1970s. In 2025, if I were a teenager and someone referred to me as a teen(s). It would piss me off. That word has a different connotation these days, and it's not a positive one.

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50 + posts with ideas to lower crime, but truthfully it has to start much earlier than that, with good Parenting. A good old fashioned pants down spanking when needed, and I mean right then and there, right in the cereal aisle of the grocery store if that's when it's needed would solve a lot. The concepts of shame, punishment, right, wrong, justice, reward, all those things ( morals ) that were once ingrained into polite society need to be re-established. Sadly, it will never happen.

I don't know the exact point at which it happens, but morality goes away once a population reaches a certain size. Humans reached that point a long time ago, and it shows.

Humans (as a species) are at their best when they live in groups of about 300 or less. This can explain why small towns produce better behaved people with fewer social ills than cities where society has collapsed.
 
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Tisto said:
50 + posts with ideas to lower crime, but truthfully it has to start much earlier than that, with good Parenting. A good old fashioned pants down spanking when needed, and I mean right then and there, right in the cereal aisle of the grocery store if that's when it's needed would solve a lot. The concepts of shame, punishment, right, wrong, justice, reward, all those things ( morals ) that were once ingrained into polite society need to be re-established. Sadly, it will never happen.

I don't know the exact point at which it happens, but morality goes away once a population reaches a certain size. Humans reached that point a long time ago, and it shows.

Humans (as a species) are at their best when they live in groups of about 300 or less. This can explain why small towns produce better behaved people with fewer social ills than cities where society has collapsed.
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In some communities, parenting will never be fixed because the parents are vile vermin as well.

The culture of too many is not fixable.



As for crime. Hand out maximum sentences for all crimes. Each and every crime committed, each criminal act will be sentenced to the upmost allowable punishment allowed by law. If the prison sentences are not high enough, change the laws and make them higher.

While in prison, no TV, no gym. No commissary. No visits. Just rot.

Serious crimes should all hold the death penalty and that should be carried out as soon as possible.

All appeals should be completed within 6 months of sentencing.

Public executions. Lots of them.
 
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I'd like inmates to mine landfills and sort trash for 16 hours a day. Others can replace migrant farm labor. We have plenty of low skill jobs nobody wants to do, and an overabundance of inmates that cost us a fortune. Fear of incarceration is almost the same as rehabilitation.
 
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