The m17 is a p320 no? If they didn't get immunity imagine the fallout.
Happy P320 day!
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M17 is the full sized P320, the M18 is the smaller or "officer" size.
Fallout or not, they shouldn't have been given immunity. If Sig handled the issue properly from jump they wouldn't have been facing this backlash. Instead, they deflected and blamed everyone and everything else.
I personally will never carry any of my P320s ever again.
I agree. Personally, I think this should just about end their company.
Interesting how the pre voluntary upgrade sear didn't have the legs and there were no instances of UCD's. How stupid are the Sig engineers that they would add this leg to the post upgrade sears?
Some people have stated that removing the leg from the sear defeats part of the drop safety update where if dropped, the leg pushes up against the trigger bar and helps prevent the sear from disengaging on the drop. To me this comment makes me think that Sig addressed the drop safety issue but inadvertently and unknowingly caused the UCD issue by adding this sear leg.
The other interesting thing is the pre voluntary upgrade sear looks similar to the P365 sear. I mention this because the P365 platform has not had any instances of UCDs. It was also designed from the ground up unlike the P320 which was essentially a hammered fired system which Sig modified to striker fired during R&D.
The one thing that Wyoming Gun Project should have done is before and after the sear modification (3 P320s in a trenchcoat mod) was a hammer/drop test.
Some people have stated that removing the leg from the sear defeats part of the drop safety update where if dropped, the leg pushes up against the trigger bar and helps prevent the sear from disengaging on the drop. To me this comment makes me think that Sig addressed the drop safety issue but inadvertently and unknowingly caused the UCD issue by adding this sear leg.
The other interesting thing is the pre voluntary upgrade sear looks similar to the P365 sear. I mention this because the P365 platform has not had any instances of UCDs. It was also designed from the ground up unlike the P320 which was essentially a hammered fired system which Sig modified to striker fired during R&D.
The one thing that Wyoming Gun Project should have done is before and after the sear modification (3 P320s in a trenchcoat mod) was a hammer/drop test.
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quick, everyone look over there!
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Well this is big news for the p320 saga...
Might be the beginning of the end for duty use in
Gov and mil
The FBI just released an investigation that found it not safe for duty use
Might be the beginning of the end for duty use in
Gov and mil
The FBI just released an investigation that found it not safe for duty use
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
So, all of a sudden the FBI is a credible source? WTF? I’m living in Crazyland!
Technically it is a 3rd party research and testing firm that has been working with the FBI since the Miami-Dade thing for the purposes of firearms research.
This video throughly breaks it down.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
These videos remind me of a hardcore leftie trying to prove how bad a certain president is. So much Sig Derangement Syndrome. 
Ferfuxake- put the CORRECT parts in your handgun and STOP POKING IT WITH A PICK and go shoot your gun. I like my 320 a lot. It’s a fantastic gun. It is extremely accurate, reliable, has never misfired, stovepiped, FTE, etc. My only complaint is not buying one sooner. So, let me know if you ladies are dumping your 320s. I have a little room left in the safe for dirt cheap scary guns.
I know, here comes the “but, but, but…”
Ferfuxake- put the CORRECT parts in your handgun and STOP POKING IT WITH A PICK and go shoot your gun. I like my 320 a lot. It’s a fantastic gun. It is extremely accurate, reliable, has never misfired, stovepiped, FTE, etc. My only complaint is not buying one sooner. So, let me know if you ladies are dumping your 320s. I have a little room left in the safe for dirt cheap scary guns.
I know, here comes the “but, but, but…”
There are so many videos, reports and independent studies about the P320 now only low IQ individuals or those that have for some reason invested an emotional stake into their purchasing decisions refuse to see the truth of the matter.
I had one, and RXP model what comes with the red dot. I sold it along with a Walther PPQ to fund the purchase of another pistol and it's related accessories. This being just prior to this whole issue began ramping up.
Go in YouTube and lookup Protraband and watch his extensive coverage of the P320 debacle. It was his videos that convinced me. It's not just the P320, that whole company has gone rotten, shoddy products, shady business practices and abuse of their employees. The CEO is the same guy that ran Kimber's reputation into the ground also. Then there is the matter of illegal arms deals and SIG fucking over.......,Singapore I belive, charging 3x the MSRP of P320s to their government on the promise that the pistols delivered to them underwent additional stringent QC even though they never actually did. SIG is making their living off fucking people over so I say fuck SIG. I'm positive SIG bribed the living shit out of someone to get those US military contracts through too.
On that note the MARINES themselves did their own investigation into the P320 due to numerous reports of SIGs discharging in their holsters and released a heavily redacted report stating that additional R&D would ve required to solve the issues with the design.
The P320s while design is fucked, who the fuck thought a sear floating atop a spring would ve a good idea?! In addition to poor design the P320 is even further hampered by poor quality parts manufactured in 3rd world countries on the cheap with inferior processes and inferior materials.
You should sell your P320 now while there is still even a little value as soon they won't be worth anything at all.
On top of all those points you made, the most damning part in this whole debacle is the way sig as a company has handled this mess.
Instead of seriously taking responsibility and looking to corrective measures or remedies, they instead blame their customers, blame holsters, blame that's it's a day that ends in Y, etc. It's everyone's fault except their design.
They then spend money that should be used to correct the problem on paying sponsorships and shills to go out and tout the virtues of the p320 and why it's the greatest the best and totally 100% safe, and spend additional resources on litigation efforts against police and gov agencies that prohibit their officers from carrying a p320 while on duty.
The p320 is the Boeing 737max. Try to significantly retrofit an existing design for increased profits, don't properly test it, then when it fails refuse to accept responsibility and blame everyone else.
Karma is going to catch up to them. Their reputation has been anhilated. Trex arms probably went to the same school of management sig executives went to. How to ruin your company 101.
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RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
I wouldn't carry an old 1911 fully cocked using appendix carry so I would I carry the Sig p320 that way? A Glock? Yes. It requires a depress of the trigger to complete the cocking for the sear to release. It doesn't have enough tension to set of a round when loaded and racked.
I know. I threw a grenade
But to each their own. You want to point a loaded Sig p320 at your junk after all the videos and the company trying to address the issue while maintaining there isn't one, that's all you baby. Not me. I don't posses that kind of faith in that Sig model
I know. I threw a grenade
But to each their own. You want to point a loaded Sig p320 at your junk after all the videos and the company trying to address the issue while maintaining there isn't one, that's all you baby. Not me. I don't posses that kind of faith in that Sig model
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That's the thing, the P320, Like other pistols, including such as the S&W M&P and Walther PDP, use a fully covked striker. Such guns are essential Single Action designs. In these designs there are still multiple layers of passive safeties to mitigate the risk of an unintentional discharge. Also consider some testing has shown that even the partially cocked stiker of the Glock can still have enough force to fore a cartridge.I wouldn't carry an old 1911 fully cocked using appendix carry so I would I carry the Sig p320 that way? A Glock? Yes. It requires a depress of the trigger to complete the cocking for the sear to release. It doesn't have enough tension to set of a round when loaded and racked.
I know. I threw a grenade
But to each their own. You want to point a loaded Sig p320 at your junk after all the videos and the company trying to address the issue while maintaining there isn't one, that all you baby. Not me. I don't posses that kind of faith in that Sig model
With the P320 however you have a flawed design from the outset with a truly bizarre sear design that is floating atop springs combined with further flawed design of the stiker block lever and all compounded yet further with poor QC and tolerances that allow excessive play between tge components and possibly rendering these passive safeties to become disabled or otherwise ineffective. And YET FURTHER exacerbating all the above are crudely manufactured, out of spec components made from poor quality materials in third world nations.
The P320 is a shitstorm of failure at multiple levels.
Sig has totally backed themselves into a corner on this debacle. They are ruining their company and reputation in real time. They went from being a finely tuned swiss watch to a meme. At some point in the future an MBA student somewhere will do a study on how sigs management team utterly ruined their brand.
This re-evaluation is beginning now I think.
I predict the unfortunate and senseless death of this Airman will prove to be the turning point. And the downfall of SIG.