Loading your own carry / self defense ammo

RooftopKorean said:

I carry with my own loaded 45 GAP JHP Barnes Tac-X bullets, zero fucks given. The way I see it, if I ever have to use my gun in this god forsaken state I'm fucked anyway.

They'll probably scrutinize that my slide cover says Problem Solver, that I stippled it, and have different color hardware.

Both the libtards and anti 2A RINOs can get fucked.

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Agree fully.
I get into a fight I'm coming out on top by any means necessary and could care less about what I use to make that happen.
I don't bet my life on ammo made by someone else.
I load all of my carry ammo using the best components on a single stage press and it works 100% of the time.
According to the lawyers, anyone who owns a gun, shoots or God forbid trains with a firearm to become more proficient are going to be screwed.
Not to mention being a participating member on this Forum.
SJC

Participating member on this forum? How are they going to find out the real names of members here and their locations?

If they do a PC search, they will never find the traces (Vivaldi Browser)

If they search the phone, likewise, they will get nada as well (also Vivaldi)

If they do a subpoena against the webhost here for IP addresses being posted from, maybe, but good luck until you run into a VPN

Shoots100 said:

Not to mention being a participating member on this Forum.

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What does being a member of this forum have anything to do with it? Are we charging people for thought crimes now or voicing your opinion? Freedoms granted by the 1st Amendment. As much as I dislike the ACLU because they are a bunch of liberal twats, I'm sure they'd even have issues with such violations.

Depick said:

Any opinions on loading and carrying your own self defense ammo?

I’m kinda curious of if this could be used against you legally if you had to use your firearm in a defensive situation.

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I’ve only heard people talking about this. I have found NO case law. As with any defense shooting, the fight in the courts will be long no matter what.

The only time I carry handloads is while hunting. I'll either carry a 5" S&W .44 Mag with handloads or a Glock 23 with hot handloads, so a few days per year you could say I carry handloads. If I needed to use them to defend myself against a person, I wouldn't hesitate or worry about it. That said, I'm not carrying handloads in my EDC anytime soon because I like and trust my 9mm and .38 carry ammos well enough to not bother. Since I reload mostly cast, plated, or XTPs, most of the ammo I make would overpenetrate anyway, being made either to punch paper, game, or 4-legged predators.

RooftopKorean said:

What does being a member of this forum have anything to do with it? Are we charging people for thought crimes now or voicing your opinion? Freedoms granted by the 1st Amendment. As much as I dislike the ACLU because they are a bunch of liberal twats, I'm sure they'd even have issues with such violations.

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What's one of the first things law enforcement or reporters do if someone's involved in any type of incident ?
Internet search.
Internet search history can be admitted as evidence in court, particularly if it's deemed relevant to the case.
Law enforcement can obtain this information through subpoenas directed at internet service providers or search engines.
Come on man !
SJC

FP1201 said:

Handloads/Reloads are to Play, FACTORY Ammo is to make them pay.
Decades back I believe it was Ayoob that admonished that the use of non-factory ammunition could be used against you in Court, and face it, if you shoot someone, justified on its face or not, you will be going to Court, of for nothing else that the Grand Jury to find no Bill....nothing like pulling the trigger on a critical shot to find out the ammo your cheap-ass made didn't work.

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Yes, Massad Ayoub makes your point in 'In the Gravest Extreme.'

Milt Farrow said:

Yes, Massad Ayoub makes your point in 'In the Gravest Extreme.'

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But nobody manages to cite a case where it actually made a difference.

Depick said:

My research led me to a similar conclusion. One thing I do is I do not want to be the test case. Especially in NYS I’d end up getting the death penalty.

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If nobody has been the test case yet in 50 years, you're probably safe.

My recommendation for home defense ammo.

If they do sue you it might be worth it just to see the lawyer try to argue this...

spat said:

But nobody manages to cite a case where it actually made a difference.

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might not matter a single bit, some guns demand "Handloads" (when was the last time you saw .445 Super-Mag. Factory Ammo?)
Granted there are always exceptions to reliability, and I'll grant another poster's claim of "...only one misfire..." and that's damn good, Murphy dictates that next failure WILL happen at the most inopportune time, and while Factories have defects or issues, they are less likely than the casual reloader....Shit DOES happen, anyone that insists otherwise is a fool.
As I understand it, ALL uses of Deadly Force are reviewed by a Grand Jury, both to determine IF the Shooter acted illegally and to clear his name if he was within his Rights, and in these days of massive numbers of manufacturers, Re-Manufacturers, Bullet Makers, and the multiple designs from each, it's an uphill battle to prove nefarious intent by the person claiming self defense, but it can be done.
So, point one is reliability which is arguable, but overall I believe new "Factory" (not previously issued or exposed to questionable storage)
Second is negative accusations by Plaintiffs or Prosecutors: They can/could make claims to cast doubt or sway the Jury's view of the defendant; I expect a defense attorney will counter or shut it down, all part of the game.
Personally I keep a couple revolves handy with High quality Factory rounds, but once that's exhausted and the fight continues, then all bets are off and I'll shoot the motherfucker with a .50BMG if that's what I can get my hands on....12ga. Signal Flare with a 2,000 degree ball of burning magnesium does a number too.

In a full on firefight at your home, use whatever you can grab first. But, as far as self defense carry gun ammo goes, best to carry factory loads, and NOT the hype loads like DRT, Zombie-Max, stuff like that that will draw the ire of the prosecutor and the jury. A plain-Jane hollow point is my suggestion.