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Interesting article on Russia's casualties and where their cannon fodder comes from. Short answer - educated elites in Moscow and St Petersburg are much less likely to be in the army than those from poorer sections of Russia.

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Russia's Middle-Aged Poor to the Grinder

...these are not the Stark's greybeards...
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tirwin1 said:
Interesting article on Russia's casualties and where their cannon fodder comes from. Short answer - educated elites in Moscow and St Petersburg are much less likely to be in the army than those from poorer sections of Russia.

cdrsalamander.substack.com

Russia's Middle-Aged Poor to the Grinder

...these are not the Stark's greybeards...
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They don't have the data to draw this map.
Most of what was published in the West about Russia was highly inaccurate.
 
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Mosinitis said:
They don't have the data to draw this map.
Most of what was published in the West about Russia was highly inaccurate.
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You don't disappoint.

So what are the russian casualty figures and are most of their troops from the poorer regions?
 
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Name one major conflict ever in all of world history where the majority of the deaths weren't from the lower classes.

Or are you claiming Russia is so much better than every other state ever than they have managed to make war "fair" ?
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Crusades of German knights, just to prove you wrong.

There is a difference between saying something is likely to be true and actually quantifying it without having data.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Crusades of German knights, just to prove you wrong.

There is a difference between saying something is likely to be true and actually quantifying it without having data.
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That's only true if you accept the crusaders premise than the rest of their entourage doesn't count LOL.

Medieval warfare casualty counts look top heavy because the peasants who died weren't even considered important enough to count LOL.
 
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Russia’s Grinding War in Ukraine

Despite claims of success in Ukraine, new CSIS data shows that Russia is paying an extraordinary price for minimal gains, with over 1.2 million casualties. Russia is also in decline as a major economic power with slow growth, weak productivity, and declining manufacturing.
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The List Is Long: Russians Who Have Died After Running Afoul Of The Kremlin

The list of influential Russians who have been killed or died under murky circumstances after opposing, criticizing, or crossing Putin, the Kremlin, or the state is long. The latest addition is Aleksei Navalny, who crusaded against corruption and led anti-Kremlin protests.
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www.businessinsider.com

These are the prominent critics and enemies Putin is suspected of having killed

Vladimir Putin's enemies often get killed under mysterious circumstances. There are at least 13 people Putin is suspected of having assassinated.
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The telltale sign of Western propaganda lies is how forcefully it is pushed. They are just throwing numbers out there, they don't know.
Just like 40 million people died in Stalin's purges. Arrogant lying is a part of Anglo-Saxon culture. It's everywhere, politics, business, healthcare, education system.

Last 3 exchanges of dead bodies between Russian and Ukrainian side averaged a thousand Ukrainian to a few dozens Russian. Hmmm.......
 
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Mosinitis said:
The telltale sign of Western propaganda lies is how forcefully it is pushed. They are just throwing numbers out there, they don't know.
Just like 40 million people died in Stalin's purges. Arrogant lying is a part of Anglo-Saxon culture. It's everywhere, politics, business, healthcare, education system.

Last 3 exchanges of dead bodies between Russian and Ukrainian side averaged a thousand Ukrainian to a few dozens Russian. Hmmm.......
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I think the very honest explanation for why those body exchanges have been fairly one sided is very simple, it's the reality on the ground.

Russia is advancing and gaining ground, Ukraine is losing ground and retreating.

As ukranians are slowly over run, they retreat and their dead lay there as Russians advance.

Ukrainians aren't dragging Russian dead bodies with them when they can't even drag their own. It makes sense in that circumstance Russia is in possession of 10:1 ukrainian dead bodies to Russian dead bodies. When Russians die they lay there and sooner or later the Russian advance reaches them and they by default end up in Russian possession by mere reality that Russia is slowly grinding forward.

So those body exchange numbers really mean nothing other than it's the right thing to do.

It's actually pretty staggering the amount of casualties in this war on both sides. It's a meat grinder of horror.
 
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I think the very honest explanation for why those body exchanges have been fairly one sided is very simple, it's the reality on the ground.

Russia is advancing and gaining ground, Ukraine is losing ground and retreating.

As ukranians are slowly over run, they retreat and their dead lay there as Russians advance.

Ukrainians aren't dragging Russian dead bodies with them when they can't even drag their own. It makes sense in that circumstance Russia is in possession of 10:1 ukrainian dead bodies to Russian dead bodies. When Russians die they lay there and sooner or later the Russian advance reaches them and they by default end up in Russian possession by mere reality that Russia is slowly grinding forward.

So those body exchange numbers really mean nothing other than it's the right thing to do.

It's actually pretty staggering the amount of casualties in this war on both sides. It's a meat grinder of horror.
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It's definitely a factor, but Russian advances are not as sweeping to account for all of this disparity. Territories change control back and forth before they end up under full Russian control, plenty of time to evacuate wounded and retrieve bodies. It is also believed that Ukrainians would rather have them listed as MIA's, to save money on compensations to the families. Still huge disparity.
 
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www.independent.co.uk

Russians describe senior officers ordering brutal execution of fellow soldiers

Russian soldiers told how they witnessed their comrades being killed at point-blank range on the order of senior commanders for refusing to be thrown into ‘meat storm’ missions in Ukraine
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indianexpress.com

Ukraine war enters 5th year: Russian soldiers claim commanders ordered executions of fellow troops, says report

Soldiers would also be sent to “meat storms” – a tactic that involves sending waves of men across the front line to wear down Ukrainian forces.
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‘Zeroed out’ How Russian army officers are executing their own men — and getting away with it — Meduza

Russian soldiers on the front line aren’t just dying in combat with Ukrainian troops — many are being killed by their own commanders. In a new investigation, the outlet Verstka identified 101 servicemen accused of involvement in field executions, referred to within the Russian army as “zeroings...
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Robin said:
www.independent.co.uk

Russians describe senior officers ordering brutal execution of fellow soldiers

Russian soldiers told how they witnessed their comrades being killed at point-blank range on the order of senior commanders for refusing to be thrown into ‘meat storm’ missions in Ukraine
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
indianexpress.com

Ukraine war enters 5th year: Russian soldiers claim commanders ordered executions of fellow troops, says report

Soldiers would also be sent to “meat storms” – a tactic that involves sending waves of men across the front line to wear down Ukrainian forces.
indianexpress.com indianexpress.com
meduza.io

‘Zeroed out’ How Russian army officers are executing their own men — and getting away with it — Meduza

Russian soldiers on the front line aren’t just dying in combat with Ukrainian troops — many are being killed by their own commanders. In a new investigation, the outlet Verstka identified 101 servicemen accused of involvement in field executions, referred to within the Russian army as “zeroings...
meduza.io meduza.io
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If the stories are true this is nothing new for the russians. Their security forces shot thousands of their own troops during world war 2.
 
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