We need a new doom and gloom thread. It has been a while.

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There will be a day that the power grid will go out in this country and when it does:

0-6 hours — No electricity, traffic lights , cell phones etc

6- 24 hours - Food starts to spoil , first panic buying at grocery stores , no ATM's

24-48 hours -Grocery shelves empty fast. Fuel shortages spread •Cell towers lose backup •Internet mostly down. Water contamination

2–3 days — Localized disorder •No refrigeration → food unsafe •No fuel → travel stops •Cash scarce •Looting begins , pure chaos •Police stretched thin •Medical supply shortages •Vulnerable populations at risk (elderly, dialysis, insulin-dependent.

3–5 days — Infrastructure collapse zones •Water systems failing widely •Fires everywhere •Hospitals triage crisis •Mass movement of people seeking resources •Armed self-protection rises , violence all around

5–7 days —Pure Chaos •No food •Medical system collapse in areas •Curfews - Martial Law •FEMA

Migration from urban centers In one week it will be like The walking dead without zombie
 
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Hopefully most on this fine forum have taken some measures to address these short term (a week or two) concern.

The long game gets more complicated and as years pass, fewer people have experience with all the skill sets needed for long term survival.

The challenge for many would be long term self / group sufficiency and survival from both the elements and the various forms of human predators. In some scenarios, successful survival could be a team sport.
 
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You're not framing the issue in terms of geography. We've had power outages such as you describe that covered multiple states and it didn't spin out of control to the extent that you describe. Not saying that local disorder is a good thing, but the problem will be if outside places aren't able to stream assistance into an affected area. As long as that aid is available, things will stay under control. If there's an incident that covers the entire continent, that'll be a much more significant problem
 
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tc556guy said:
You're not framing the issue in terms of geography. We've had power outages such as you describe that covered multiple states and it didn't spin out of control to the extent that you describe. Not saying that local disorder is a good thing, but the problem will be if outside places aren't able to stream assistance into an affected area. As long as that aid is available, things will stay under control. If there's an incident that covers the entire continent, that'll be a much more significant problem
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It really comes down to perception. Whether aid is coming isn't really relevant. What matters is whether people *believe* aid is coming.

If they think things will return to "normal-ish" within a few weeks or even months, then they will behave. But, if enough people think that things are going to stay uncivilized for a long time, then they're going to damn well act uncivilized.
 
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The power grid going out is one of my concerns under AI. Imagine if an AI successfully was able to link up and control all power stations in this country and then just decided to turn off all the power. Then simultaneously release a virus far deadlier than COVID. Now that's doom and gloom.
 
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spat said:
It really comes down to perception. Whether aid is coming isn't really relevant. What matters is whether people *believe* aid is coming.

If they think things will return to "normal-ish" within a few weeks or even months, then they will behave. But, if enough people think that things are going to stay uncivilized for a long time, then they're going to damn well act uncivilized.
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Ive seen people acting uncivilized while help was on the ground providing assistance. I've seen people shooting at the people who were rendering help. You're right that most people will behave longer if they believe that help is being mobilized.
 
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Ive seen people acting uncivilized while help was on the ground providing assistance. I've seen people shooting at the people who were rendering help. You're right that most people will behave longer if they believe that help is being mobilized.
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Agreed no think if the power grid is down because of a storm people think the government is around the corner to help. If there is a mass outage because of a terror attack or computer attack with no timeline for repair panicking will set in fast.
 
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Agreed no think if the power grid is down because of a storm people think the government is around the corner to help. If there is a mass outage because of a terror attack or computer attack with no timeline for repair panicking will set in fast.
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I think that in any mass outage scenario it's going to be incumbent on authorities and the utilities to communicate information to the public in a timely manner with frequent updates. The public will need to see efforts to restore utilities underway, even if they themselves aren't restored immediately. If you look at events like Katrina or Helene, the bigger issue was the lack of progress on timely restoration work that was a bigger issue after the initial event happened.
 
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There's very few places in NY where refugees from our cities that would overwhelm within a few months of a TEOTWAKI. I don't care how defensible or isolated you think your property is, or how many guns you've stockpiled. The numbers are not on your side.
 
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There's very few places in NY where refugees from our cities that would overwhelm within a few months of a TEOTWAKI. I don't care how defensible or isolated you think your property is, or how many guns you've stockpiled. The numbers are not on your side.
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Its a trade-off. We live in a highly populated part of the country. With lots of resources. You could trade off the highly populated part of that equation for a low populated area with few resources that can just as easily be populated by people leaving the urban and suburban areas trying to compete with you for the scarce resources in your area. Who wins in either scenario?
 
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C3D said:
There's very few places in NY where refugees from our cities that would overwhelm within a few months of a TEOTWAKI. I don't care how defensible or isolated you think your property is, or how many guns you've stockpiled. The numbers are not on your side.
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Not too mention, by the time most people figure out that it is real, and serious, it will be too damn late for them.
 
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No offense intended C3D but, bullshit.
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You're entitled to your views, but put some more text on them. How do you intend to defend 24/7 against repeated waves of hundreds of marauders, all armed, with ex-military guys leading them, and with no regard for human life and desperate? When they are probably joined by former police and equipped with ex-police and ex-mil hardware?
 
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