US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

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Defilade said:
What should be concerning is AIPAC's influence in all of Congress. We are a Captured Nation!
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Got it. Our government is not influenced by:
  • Pharmaceutical lobbyists
  • Agriculture lobbyists
  • Oil lobbyists
  • Soros PACs
  • State special interest lobbyists
  • Manufacturing lobbyists
  • Union lobbyists
  • Public sector PACs
  • Social justice lobbyists
  • Hi-tech industrialists
  • Defense contractor lobbyists
....it's just those Jooooozzzz.

Thanks for setting me straight.
 
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Got it. Our government is not influenced by:
  • Pharmaceutical lobbyists
  • Agriculture lobbyists
  • Oil lobbyists
  • Soros PACs
  • State special interest lobbyists
  • Manufacturing lobbyists
  • Union lobbyists
  • Public sector PACs
  • Social justice lobbyists
  • Hi-tech industrialists
  • Defense contractor lobbyists
....it's just those Jooooozzzz.

Thanks for setting me straight.
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Fully aware of that. Thanks for setting me straight. BTW. Duel Citizenship shouldn't be allowed, wouldn't you agree?
 
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HOLY GUACAMOLE


Joe Kent @joekent16jan19 ADMITS that the Trump Administration BRAZENLY LIED MULTIPLE TIMES to the American people about Iran’s capacity, capability, and intent to create a nuclear weapon.


Tucker: "Was Iran on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon?"


Joe Kent: "No. They weren't three weeks ago when this started, and they weren't in June either."


“The Iranians have had a religious ruling, a Fatwa against actually developing a nuclear weapons since 2004…We had no intelligence to indicate that that Fatwa was being disobeyed or that it was on the cusp of being lifted”.


Many others, including myself have already said that Iran’s “nuclear weapons” was a BIG FAT LIE just like Bush’s “weapons of mass destruction”…


Now, Joe CONFIRMED this to be TRUE.


MAGA, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU BE ALRIGHT WITH THIS?!?!?


THIS ENTIRE WAR IS AN ENORMOUS LIE.


HOLY. FREAKING. GUACAMOLE.

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Defilade said:
HOLY GUACAMOLE


Joe Kent @joekent16jan19 ADMITS that the Trump Administration BRAZENLY LIED MULTIPLE TIMES to the American people about Iran’s capacity, capability, and intent to create a nuclear weapon.


Tucker: "Was Iran on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon?"


Joe Kent: "No. They weren't three weeks ago when this started, and they weren't in June either."


“The Iranians have had a religious ruling, a Fatwa against actually developing a nuclear weapons since 2004…We had no intelligence to indicate that that Fatwa was being disobeyed or that it was on the cusp of being lifted”.


Many others, including myself have already said that Iran’s “nuclear weapons” was a BIG FAT LIE just like Bush’s “weapons of mass destruction”…


Now, Joe CONFIRMED this to be TRUE.


MAGA, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU BE ALRIGHT WITH THIS?!?!?


THIS ENTIRE WAR IS AN ENORMOUS LIE.


HOLY. FREAKING. GUACAMOLE.

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Oh, Joe Kent confirmed it, it must be true.

Wait till you hear the bombshell Joy Behar is sitting on...

Now, it doesn't really matter how close they were. IRAN claimed to be a few weeks away. They probably weren't, but that's not a bluff you want to call. They talked themselves into destruction, it's that simple.
 
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I heard they had told us they had enough processed they could make ~11 nukes during negotiations.
Wasn't Kent a dem then repub then a leaker getting fired? Did we forget what the demonrats do and did last time?
 
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Defilade said:
Duel Citizenship shouldn't be allowed, wouldn't you agree?
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I absolutely agree.

Dual citizenship is bullshit! I do not want any of my fellow Americans to have divided loyalty.

If you want to be American, you should be required to show proof of relinquishing any other citizenship. If you don't want to do that, fine... you can't become an American citizen.
 
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Oil at $110 a barrel. I think this is excellent. I want to see $20/gallon gasoline.
 
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spat said:
Try doing *anything* without using something plastic.

You won't eat, no medicine, electricity nothing
.

Even the Amish would struggle in a world without oil.
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30% of the worlds fertilizer goes through hormuz. Well, it used to anyways. Have fun with food prices this fall!
 
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I think the CIA backed revolution failed . I never did buy that it was real . its been tried many times in past there and it never worked. plan B was the Kurds. And that fell through. Plan C is just get that goddamn straight open before Europe collapses . I honestly think they believed iran would sue for peace once the damage was done.

But how can Iran negotiate with a country that attacked them during negotiations twice? WTF? How do you trust that? thats like your wife cheating on you twice and then promises they wont do it again, and they do then say I swear. it wont happen again . Come on.

The US lost credibility . dont know WTF Trump was thinking other than he is owned
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He doesn't think. He reacts. That's his largest strategic detriment. Zero concept of second and third order consequences. He only thinks about the now. Not 3 months from now. Sounds just like how big companies are run. Quarter to quarter. I wonder why that is... oh, wait...
 
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spat said:
We'll be fine here. China ? Not so much.

Honestly, Trump should just make China deal with the straight. It's a far bigger problem for them than it is for us.
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Key Fertilizer Sources and Types

Canada: The largest overall supplier, providing over 90% of U.S. potash imports and a significant portion of nitrogen fertilizers.

Russia: A major source of imported nitrogen (urea, UAN) and potash.
Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman): Key suppliers of nitrogen-based fertilizers.

Morocco: A significant and growing supplier of phosphate fertilizers.

Domestic Production: The U.S. has robust domestic production for nitrogen, but imports are necessary to meet total demand.


We import a lot, about 40% of what we need. If China will pay more, Morocco will sell to them instead. Why wouldn't they, I would. More money is always better. Everyone else will too. Sell to the highest bidder, end of story. International trade is capitalist. Maybe we will get the fertilizer, but it's going to cost a *lot* more. That's what happens when demand stays the same but supply goes down by 30%. The saying shit rolls down hill, fits and is ironically appropriate given the topic.

If you think grocery prices are high now, wait 6ish months.
 
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Time does seem to be a key element in this war. We need it to end as quickly as possible. Iran needs it to go on as long as possible until the US is forced to stop by domestic politics. I have no idea what will happen and would not bet on any outcome.
 
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SonOfSun said:
Key Fertilizer Sources and Types

Canada: The largest overall supplier, providing over 90% of U.S. potash imports and a significant portion of nitrogen fertilizers.

Russia: A major source of imported nitrogen (urea, UAN) and potash.
Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman): Key suppliers of nitrogen-based fertilizers.

Morocco: A significant and growing supplier of phosphate fertilizers.

Domestic Production: The U.S. has robust domestic production for nitrogen, but imports are necessary to meet total demand.


We import a lot, about 40% of what we need. If China will pay more, Morocco will sell to them instead. Why wouldn't they, I would. More money is always better. Everyone else will too. Sell to the highest bidder, end of story. International trade is capitalist. Maybe we will get the fertilizer, but its going to cost a *lot* more. That's what happens when demand stays the same but supply goes down by 30%.

If you think grocery prices are high now, wait 6ish months.
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This won't last 6 weeks, let alone 6 months.
 
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tirwin1 said:
Time does seem to be a key element in this war. We need it to end as quickly as possible. Iran needs it to go on as long as possible until the US is forced to stop by domestic politics. I have no idea what will happen and would not bet on any outcome.
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It's a war of attrition. Will the American public run out of patience before Iran runs out of Ayatollas.

OFC, Iran's latest tactic if lashing out at anyone they can reach is not helping them there. The rest if the Arabs aren't going to demand we stop just because they suffer some minor damage.

They're going to demand we finish things.
 
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spat said:
It's a war of attrition. Will the American public run out of patience before Iran runs out of Ayatollas.

OFC, Iran's latest tactic if lashing out at anyone they can reach is not helping them there. The rest if the Arabs aren't going to demand we stop just because they suffer some minor damage.

They're going to demand we finish things.
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Unfortunately I have more confidence in the willpower of the arab nations than the US.
 
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spat said:
This won't last 6 weeks, let alone 6 months.
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The fertilizer supply doesn't need to be disrupted for 6 months. Growing season is April to September/October. Shipping things via container vessel, loading it, unloading it, etc. takes time. 2 months is long enough to cause major issues given the logistics of distribution.

Also, its been 3 weeks already. There is zero sign it's close to over. The first rule of planning, is planning for setbacks and potential failure. Wars don't just go according to plan.
 
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SonOfSun said:
The fertilizer supply doesn't need to be disrupted for 6 months. Growing season is April to September/October. Shipping things via container vessel, loading it, unloading it, etc. takes time. 2 months is long enough to cause major issues given the logistics of distribution.

Also, its been 3 weeks already. There is zero sign it's close to over. The first rule of planning, is planning for setbacks and potential failure. Wars don't just go according to plan.
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That's northern hemisphere growing season. Fertilizer is used year round. It just gets shipped to different areas depending on the time of year. Crops can be planted with less or even none. It's the yields that suffer. Yes, prices are going up no matter what happens. I have to wonder if the USA stopped using fertilizer on Corn (specifically for Ethanol) and only used it on edible food would we be better off?
 
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SonOfSun said:
The fertilizer supply doesn't need to be disrupted for 6 months. Growing season is April to September/October. Shipping things via container vessel, loading it, unloading it, etc. takes time. 2 months is long enough to cause major issues given the logistics of distribution.

Also, its been 3 weeks already. There is zero sign it's close to over. The first rule of planning, is planning for setbacks and potential failure. Wars don't just go according to plan.
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Fertilizer for the Northern Hemisphere's 2026 growing season is already manufactured and distributed.
 
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Fertilizer for the Northern Hemisphere's 2026 growing season is already manufactured and distributed.
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Absolutely true. I used to transport Potash and Urea from rail yards to farms. This time a year was the "crazy busy" time. Those rail cars we loaded from were loaded weeks/months earlier.
 
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Defilade said:
HOLY GUACAMOLE


Joe Kent @joekent16jan19 ADMITS that the Trump Administration BRAZENLY LIED MULTIPLE TIMES to the American people about Iran’s capacity, capability, and intent to create a nuclear weapon.


Tucker: "Was Iran on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon?"


Joe Kent: "No. They weren't three weeks ago when this started, and they weren't in June either."


“The Iranians have had a religious ruling, a Fatwa against actually developing a nuclear weapons since 2004…We had no intelligence to indicate that that Fatwa was being disobeyed or that it was on the cusp of being lifted”.


Many others, including myself have already said that Iran’s “nuclear weapons” was a BIG FAT LIE just like Bush’s “weapons of mass destruction”…


Now, Joe CONFIRMED this to be TRUE.


MAGA, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU BE ALRIGHT WITH THIS?!?!?


THIS ENTIRE WAR IS AN ENORMOUS LIE.


HOLY. FREAKING. GUACAMOLE.

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Eliminating Iran and the decades long threats they posed is the diversion to shutting down the City of London's financial control over the World and the Straights of Hormuz where they exercised control over shipping.
Tell me, what does Great Britannia Produce? If you walk through your house now, how many things can you find that were made there? any yet the Pound Stirling vastly outpaces both the Dollar and the Euro.
It's all a Vegas level magic Show of Illusion, Deceit, and slight of hand.
 
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That's northern hemisphere growing season. Fertilizer is used year round. It just gets shipped to different areas depending on the time of year. Crops can be planted with less or even none. It's the yields that suffer. Yes, prices are going up no matter what happens. I have to wonder if the USA stopped using fertilizer on Corn (specifically for Ethanol) and only used it on edible food would we be better off?
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We probably would be. And you are correct, I didn't specify, but I was more referring to thr US growing season.
 
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Fertilizer for the Northern Hemisphere's 2026 growing season is already manufactured and distributed.
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Even so, unless its already on the farms or under contract it doesn't matter.

If I sell potash, and the market rate is higher and my replacement costs are higher, then I'm going to sell it at the higher rate. Like selling a house, people who bought their home in the 70s for 30k aren't just going to sell it for around 30k today because that's what they bought it for. They'll sell it for 400k because that's the market rate. Same with any physical item.

Prices roll down hill and you'll pay today's prices, not yesterday's.
 
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