Kali Key - Turns MSR into bolt action

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Is this what we're heading for in New York (provided that AR and AR-style rifles are not outright banned)?

It's clever. Sure, it's an utter bastardization of the original intent of the rifle's functioning. But, is nonetheless an interesting workaround (until "bolts with gas keys" become banned items).


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I have one and it is hard to keep pulling it back all the time. Fired about 100 rounds of 5.56 and put it back in the rifle bag. When I got home I removed it and threw it in the AR tool box. Didn't work out for me.

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Too easy to revert back for NY, I wouldn't trust it. Besides, you'd almost need to install it on another BCG. The gas key is supposed to be staked in otherwise it could come loose and cause all sorts of problems.

I kinda like that folder though!
 
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I really wasn't concerned about compliance. I just thought it was cool and would work out on my long range 5.56 rifle. Anybody want to buy it? PM me.
 
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While I think this is interesting and definitely a FU to gun grabbers, to use it effectively you have to have two BCGs fore each rifle. That way when SHTF you pop the kali key in the trash and put the semi auto BCG back in and you are GTG.

I have several straight pull bolt action ARs built with Green Mountain barrels that are not ported. Same concept bolt guns in peace, in EOTWAWKI times all bets are off (and so is the upper).
 
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I love to see companies skirt the law.. shows how stupid these laws are. Seems expensive but then I paid $50 for a MagLock.
 
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Would simultaneous possession of a Kali Key equipped rifle and a standard BCG make for a
"constructive possesion" type situation?
The Warrior Poet there would have been well advised to keep quiet about his intentions.
 
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you could have some fun with this with your AR buds .. LOL ..

hey got you this new BCG .. try it .. pop it in for them .. wait for the WTF looks LOL ..

but i do like it .. sticking it to the man
 
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Podmonkey said:
Would simultaneous possession of a Kali Key equipped rifle and a standard BCG make for a
"constructive possesion" type situation?
The Warrior Poet there would have been well advised to keep quiet about his intentions.
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For now, Only the ATF uses that language. For now spare parts are legal and police cannot swap parts to make collected “evidence” an illegal firearm.
 
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Podmonkey said:
Would simultaneous possession of a Kali Key equipped rifle and a standard BCG make for a
"constructive possesion" type situation?
The Warrior Poet there would have been well advised to keep quiet about his intentions.
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What @dsdmmat said. There is no constructive possession in NY law as pertains to this.
 
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Obviously bumping old thread, but how's the Kali Key doing? Does it work ok with all Bolt Carrier Groups? Anyone have any legal troubles with it?
 
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BlakeLok said:
Obviously bumping old thread, but how's the Kali Key doing? Does it work ok with all Bolt Carrier Groups? Anyone have any legal troubles with it?
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Aerosols thought. If this is that worrisome to you have you called the NYS police gun hotline and asked them what is legal or not? I doubt you’ll get a straight answer but maybe you will.
IMO this is the easiest thing to revert back to fully functional. Separate the upper and lower and swap handle/ BCG and it’s a normal AR. 5 minutes or less and no tools.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
Aerosols thought. If this is that worrisome to you have you called the NYS police gun hotline and asked them what is legal or not? I doubt you’ll get a straight answer but maybe you will.
IMO this is the easiest thing to revert back to fully functional. Separate the upper and lower and swap handle/ BCG and it’s a normal AR. 5 minutes or less and no tools.
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Yes, can revert back to semi IF you kept the gas key and have the correct tool to install it. Or if you have a second BCG. So yes if you are at the gun range and have a semi BCG in your pocket while shooting this thing bolt action, you could technically be charged with constructive possession of a semi-auto or assault weapon without a license or registration. So don't do that.
 
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BlakeLok said:
Yes, can revert back to semi IF you kept the gas key and have the correct tool to install it. Or if you have a second BCG. So yes if you are at the gun range and have a semi BCG in your pocket while shooting this thing bolt action, you could technically be charged with constructive possession of a semi-auto or assault weapon without a license or registration. So don't do that.
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What if you have another bolt carrier group at your house and have this? I have extra parts for every gun I used to own before my boat caught on fire and went 900 feet down in Lake Ontario on that stormy night while salmon fishing. Bigfoot was with me as well.
My point is you seem very nervous about the fixed mag option and other things I guess I’m just curious/confused why this eases your mind. Maybe if you don’t have the other BCG you’ll be fine. To me I wouldn’t remove the other ones parts because I’m not sure on how to reinstall it and I’d buy the caliper and BCG from them to ensure it works well together but that’s just me.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
What if you have another bolt carrier group at your house and have this? I have extra parts for every gun I used to own before my boat caught on fire and went 900 feet down in Lake Ontario on that stormy night while salmon fishing. Bigfoot was with me as well.
My point is you seem very nervous about the fixed mag option and other things I guess I’m just curious/confused why this eases your mind. Maybe if you don’t have the other BCG you’ll be fine. To me I wouldn’t remove the other ones parts because I’m not sure on how to reinstall it and I’d buy the caliper and BCG from them to ensure it works well together but that’s just me.
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Bolt action AR seems a lot more compliant than fixed mag semi auto. But that's just my gut.
 
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BlakeLok said:
Bolt action AR seems a lot more compliant than fixed mag semi auto. But that's just my gut.
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I mean I guess. But what is easier to convert back to a big bad scary rifle according to NYS? To me the law for the fixed mag is better defined than the calikey and you would have a more robust cases legally. If you have a gun that doesn’t accept detachable magazines it’s easy to define if a mag lock is installed and a screw head is broken off or drilled out so you can’t remove it and expoxied in place rather than a bolt carried group swap out. I can swap a bolt in under a minute.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I mean I guess. But what is easier to convert back to a big bad scary rifle according to NYS? To me the law for the fixed mag is better defined than the calikey and you would have a more robust cases legally. If you have a gun that doesn’t accept detachable magazines it’s easy to define if a mag lock is installed and a screw head is broken off or drilled out so you can’t remove it and expoxied in place rather than a bolt carried group swap out. I can swap a bolt in under a minute.
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If it can’t run semi auto, it can’t be an “Assault weapon.” What are you going to get arrested for a full featured bolt gun?

When I was in NY I had three fixed mag full featured ARs and I had three bolt ARs. During SHTF times I would have had 3 fully featured ARs with the push of 12 pins but any other time I had 6 legal ARs.
 
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That’s too much work. This is marketed for someone who will convert with a bolt swap when need be.
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dsdmmat said:
If it can’t run semi auto, it can’t be an “Assault weapon.” What are you going to get arrested for a full featured bolt gun?

When I was in NY I had three fixed mag full featured ARs and I had three bolt ARs. During SHTF times I would have had 3 fully featured ARs with the push of 12 pins but any other time I had 6 legal ARs.
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That’s my point. Just swap the bolt carrier group and you’re a fully functioning AR now. I’m just trying to figure out why they are so nervous about a fixed mag option but thinks the calikey is just fine. It makes no sense to me is all.
 
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dsdmmat said:
If it can’t run semi auto, it can’t be an “Assault weapon.” What are you going to get arrested for a full featured bolt gun?

When I was in NY I had three fixed mag full featured ARs and I had three bolt ARs. During SHTF times I would have had 3 fully featured ARs with the push of 12 pins but any other time I had 6 legal ARs.
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I think it you're caught with a AR loaded with a Kali Key bolt, and a regular bolt in your back pocket, you're in trouble.

But shooting at the range with just the Kali Key AR and no 2nd bolt or no gas key and allen wrench to install it? Hard to see what you could be charged with. Unless the State decides that an AR with a Kali Key bolt is too easily changed to semi-auto with a regular bolt or by adding a regular gas key in place of kali key. A little guidance from the State would be nice but I'm not gonna be the one to ask them. Though 6 years of silence from the State about the Kali Key might be telling.
 
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I would like to think that Kali Key attached to bolt, perhaps with epoxy, and no possession of regular BCG or regular gas key, would make the Kali key version of the AR legal since its now a bolt action without quick & easy way to turn back to semi auto.
 
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BlakeLok said:
I think it you're caught with a AR loaded with a Kali Key bolt, and a regular bolt in your back pocket, you're in trouble.

But shooting at the range with just the Kali Key AR and no 2nd bolt or no gas key and allen wrench to install it? Hard to see what you could be charged with. Unless the State decides that an AR with a Kali Key bolt is too easily changed to semi-auto with a regular bolt or by adding a regular gas key in place of kali key. A little guidance from the State would be nice but I'm not gonna be the one to ask them. Though 6 years of silence from the State about the Kali Key might be telling.
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What is the reason for the search that found the other bolt? You are way overthinking thing. The state is not going to give you guidance because they prefer you stay scared instead of reading the letter of the law and letting you talk yourself out of legal options.
 
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dsdmmat said:
What is the reason for the search that found the other bolt? You are way overthinking thing. The state is not going to give you guidance because they prefer you stay scared instead of reading the letter of the law and letting you talk yourself out of legal options.
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Speeding, DWI, DUI, not stopping at Stop Sign, blowing a red light, cops find all sorts of reasons to search your car. If you have a Kali Keyed BCG, best to not also have a regular BCG with you.
 
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