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Phazer said:
Iran recently fired ballistic missiles at Diego Garcia. Those missiles flew over 2000 km. That is more range than Iran had previously admitted.
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Can I play the devils advocate here? Just for shits and giggles?

Being ,The US and Isreal have zero credibility on the world stage ,and Iran denied it fired any missiles at Diego Garcia, and both missiles went into the ocean and there is no proof it happened is it remotely possible It was a psyop job intended to gain support from Europe and here at home?

See, I have this problem believing liars , so I question what they tell me. Now I dont have one shed of evidence it was bullshit , but the timing seemed a little to convenient.
 
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holdover said:
Can I play the devils advocate here? Just for shits and giggles?

Being ,The US and Isreal have zero credibility on the world stage ,and Iran denied it fired any missiles at Diego Garcia, and both missiles went into the ocean and there is no proof it happened is it remotely possible It was a psyop job intended to gain support from Europe and here at home?

See, I have this problem believing liars , so I question what they tell me. Now I dont have one shed of evidence it was bullshit , but the timing seemed a little to convenient.
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Yes it is completely possible.
How ever if you listen to Iran's minister of propaganda, he stated they intentionally keep the distance at 2K.
His " religion " not only allows him to lie it is part of it.
Why would they tell the truth to people they want to kill?
They never do what they say they will for good but all over it if its evil.
 
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Iranian officials warned Monday that if the U.S. attacks Iran's power plants, Iran would retaliate against energy and water infrastructure across the Gulf region — including in countries that host U.S. military bases.


President Trump said the U.S. will delay military strikes on Iranian energy infrastructure while it negotiates with Iran.Speaking to reporters later Monday, Trump said, "We have had very, very strong talks. We'll see where they lead. We have major points of agreement, I would say, almost all points of agreement."


Iran's Foreign Ministry denied entering talks with the U.S. The parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, alleged that reports of talks are "fake news" that are "intended to manipulate financial and oil markets and to escape the quagmire in which America and Israel are trapped."



Trump gave Iran 48 hours Saturday to reopen the strait, a waterway through which around 20% of the world's oil passes, threatening on Truth Social to bomb Tehran's power plants if the demand was not met.

But Iranian officials showed no sign of relenting, warning the country could strike electricity targets across the Persian Gulf and even hit plants that supply the region with drinking water.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump backs off escalation, but Iran war goes on amid 'productive' talks

Tehran denied any direct talks and suggested Trump postponed attacks on its power plants in a ploy “to reduce energy prices and buy time to implement his military plans."
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FP1201 said:
We might have created Isis, but you got in Bed with them, then let 'em take over your Country, so suck it.
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Iran’s Opposition to ISIS​

Iran has consistently opposed the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), viewing it as a major threat to its security and Shia population. The Iranian government has fought ISIS in multiple theaters, including Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and directly within Iran, often through its elite Quds Force and allied militias known as the "Axis of Resistance". Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and officials have labeled ISIS a terrorist organization and condemned its attacks on civilians and Shia communities. Iran has also arrested and executed ISIS operatives attempting to infiltrate its territory.
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Military Engagements​

Iran deployed troops and military advisors to Iraq in 2014 to counter ISIS advances and supported the Assad regime in Syria against ISIS and other extremist groups. Iranian-backed militias have been instrumental in pushing back ISIS in Iraq and Syria, often coordinating with local Shia and Kurdish forces. Iran has also conducted direct operations against ISIS cells near its borders, including in Sistan and Baluchestan.
 
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Mosinitis said:

Iran’s Opposition to ISIS​

Iran has consistently opposed the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), viewing it as a major threat to its security and Shia population. The Iranian government has fought ISIS in multiple theaters, including Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and directly within Iran, often through its elite Quds Force and allied militias known as the "Axis of Resistance". Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and officials have labeled ISIS a terrorist organization and condemned its attacks on civilians and Shia communities. Iran has also arrested and executed ISIS operatives attempting to infiltrate its territory.
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Military Engagements​

Iran deployed troops and military advisors to Iraq in 2014 to counter ISIS advances and supported the Assad regime in Syria against ISIS and other extremist groups. Iranian-backed militias have been instrumental in pushing back ISIS in Iraq and Syria, often coordinating with local Shia and Kurdish forces. Iran has also conducted direct operations against ISIS cells near its borders, including in Sistan and Baluchestan.
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Well IF they truly are opposed to control and rule by ISIS, then our exterminating them should open the window for Iran to restructure their Government, after all Trump DID tell the Iranian People it was up to them to form a new government for themselves.

Watching a press release video of the Four Star General in charge of this offensive and he said we have destroyed 1,800 targets, among those 130 Iranian Nave Vessels.
As for Israel: I've no love nor hate for them, but ever increasingly it's getting easier to believe they are responsible for a whole lot of the bullshit, influence, false-flags, and outright trickery of the American People....And another thing; They are no longer "God's chosen People" that convenient was broken when Jesus Christ died for our sins....maybe that's another reason why they cheered on his death even though it was pre-ordained, but that's another Rabbit Hole I haven't the where withal to go down.
 
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FP1201 said:
Well IF they truly are opposed to control and rule by ISIS, then our exterminating them should open the window for Iran to restructure their Government, after all Trump DID tell the Iranian People it was up to them to form a new government for themselves.

Watching a press release video of the Four Star General in charge of this offensive and he said we have destroyed 1,800 targets, among those 130 Iranian Nave Vessels.
As for Israel: I've no love nor hate for them, but ever increasingly it's getting easier to believe they are responsible for a whole lot of the bullshit, influence, false-flags, and outright trickery of the American People....And another thing; They are no longer "God's chosen People" that convenient was broken when Jesus Christ died for our sins....maybe that's another reason why they cheered on his death even though it was pre-ordained, but that's another Rabbit Hole I haven't the where withal to go down.
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You have it all mixed up. Iran is not ruled by ISIS. Iran is not in bed with ISIS. Iran and ISIS are sworn enemies.
 
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Vapor said:
We produce the most oil in the world. 22% roughly. Canada is 5th or 6th producer.


There must be something in the supply chain or market I don't understand as to why the middle easts oil affects us so much.
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Tight supply so any hiccup impacts it big time. Oil has always been touchy.
 
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Rocpo said:
Bullshit. You know nothing of islam if you claim this nonsense. They'll fight each other after they subjugate the rest of the world to the pedophiles religion.
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Your are entitled to hate Islam, but you are making a fool of yourself when you are making idiotic claims. Shia and Sunni have been fighting each other in a number of theaters, I gave only one example. So according to your idiotic claim, we are already subjugated.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Your are entitled to hate Islam, but you are making a fool of yourself when you are making idiotic claims. Shia and Sunni have been fighting each other in a number of theaters, I gave only one example. So according to your idiotic claim, we are already subjugated.
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Hell, I am quite simple....

I hate and despise each and every one of them.
 
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Don't change the subject. Ignorant claim was made that Iran is tied with ISIS. This is false no matter who you love or hate.
 
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holdover said:
Can I play the devils advocate here? Just for shits and giggles?

Being ,The US and Isreal have zero credibility on the world stage ,and Iran denied it fired any missiles at Diego Garcia, and both missiles went into the ocean and there is no proof it happened is it remotely possible It was a psyop job intended to gain support from Europe and here at home?

See, I have this problem believing liars , so I question what they tell me. Now I dont have one shed of evidence it was bullshit , but the timing seemed a little to convenient.
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Well, I certainly don't accept what the US .gov says without question, their credibility is obviously orders of magnitude better than Iran's.
 
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They are under the same umbrella, but between themselves, @Mosinitis is correct. ISIS is Shia, not Sunni, and Iran is largely Sunni. The Sunnis and Shia kill each other, but they both want Islam to take over the world.
 
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They hate all Christians and don't differentiate based upon sect!

Why then would any non-muslim worry about differentiating sects to ensure eliminating the so called "right" on? Who gives a shit what sect they belong to... When their beliefs carry the same anti non-muslim hate and mandate!

Furthermore, I fail to understand why such reverence and fear is given to a group that amounts to 1% of our populace here in the US!

The Liberal Progressive agenda has been to promote the margin above all others, let alone the White Majority... But honestly, try as they may, that majority is still a MAJOR majority on all others! So get over it!

For those weak souls that subjugate themselves to capitulation due to fear... Fuck them too! And I'm talking bout here at home...

I'm simple, I align with the "All in the Family" rule... I hate everyone equally! Assholes at the top of the list!
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Mosinitis said:
Don't change the subject. Ignorant claim was made that Iran is tied with ISIS. This is false no matter who you love or hate.
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Iran would give ISIS a nuke in a heartbeat if they thought it would be detonated in NY or DC.

They may dislike each other, but they won't pass up a "death to America" opportunity for it.
 
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spat said:
Iran would give ISIS a nuke in a heartbeat if they thought it would be detonated in NY or DC.

They may dislike each other, but they won't pass up a "death to America" opportunity for it.
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Not really, each group sided with the U.S. against each other.
 
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The tipping point: How regimes really collapse​


- The sequence before collapse
- Iran’s compressed crisis
- The moment before the streets
- What history suggests

www.iranintl.com

The tipping point: How regimes really collapse

In history, authoritarian systems usually fall twice: first psychologically, when fear breaks; then politically, when the men with guns hesitate. Iran’s recent shocks look less like a single crisis than a classic collapse sequence unfolding at speed.
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"President Trump said Iran is effectively undergoing “regime change,” arguing that the country’s current leadership is “very different” from the one that originally “created all those problems,” signaling a major shift in power at the top."

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