Fixed magazine question

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I posed this question on another string and figured it was worth its own string. I am genuinely curious. Of course the law is intentionally vague just so's they can jack you up just for having one in the first place and let the system be your punishment, but I think its' a fair question.
If you have different caliber uppers that require magazines unique to those calibers and only one lower, how do you secure your magazine so as to comply and at the same time make it possible to switch magazines for each upper? Are you forced to buy lowers for each caliber? Okay, now that my blood pressure has reached danger levels as I do a mental review of all the shit that has come down from the tyrants in Albany I must stop here.
This shit is so bothersome and stupid, even if your not directly affected. FUNY!
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Words have meanings unless written by the Legislature.
I too have pondered the minutia of removing a previously "permanently attached" magazine as in my mind the fact that you have an Upper Receiver Assembly, and a lower that will now accept a magazine that at least for the time it takes to install and activate a locking device, you now have an "Assault Weapon".

On the Interstate the Speed Limit is 65 in most places now, many folks drive around 74 and the Cops don't even look up from what they're doing until you go by above 80
Unless you make it their business, generally they'll let you do yours.
It's been contended many folks unwittingly commit crimes every day that they're either not aware of or that even the Pettifoggers won't chase.
 
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I agree FP, by the time a mans head hits the pillow it is likely that at some point during the day he has broken some kind of law and in NY its most likely a felony, HAH!
Its just my own curiosity I guess. Laws should be clear and not leave citizens at the beneficence of someone in uniform. Its' just another form of tyranny.
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Subjective law writing is a NYS forte. The real issue folks need to be aware of is the follow on Case Law (a Judge’s finding from a case) to validate or give precedence. All the speculation, words people post on the internet are awesome. The Case Law is where the failings are; assuming we all agree the laws are flawed as well. The Buffalo shooting was a great point to establish the case law on this and several other areas. But I will bet it will NOT.

As such, We assume the liability to be applied as subjectively as They want. Split hairs as much as you want. The State has left the liability with you. All of which, if you keep a low profile and keep to your self, really won’t matter.
 
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Even the supremes have weighed in on legislators' writing of vague and ambiguous laws. Of course NYS does it intentionally and will continue to do so.
Meanwhile the average gun owner in this state is laying low, so low that going underground is the next step, cuz, no-fucking-body wants to be the "test case", especially in this shit hole.
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Also meanwhile, My casual observation is that where I shoot, participation is way down and I have not seen a scary black gun in a couple years.
FUNY
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AH me, guess there are no answers for the really tough questions. Not that I give a shit, just a curiosity, like an itch that can't be scratched.
Oh well, FUNY!
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FP1201 said:
Words have meanings unless written by the Legislature.
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And this is a good point.
I still recall the lengthy discussions on the use of epoxy as indicated by the Purple Tie Squad, which is NOT in the actual law.

Start with what does the law ACTUALLY say. Does it say the mag has to be "permanently affixed" or does it say "cannot accept a detachable mag"?
then you can argue about the definitions of "permanently affixed", etc.
Since there is no way, short of having the magazine formed at the same time as the lower and as an extension of that lower, that it would be permanent, and grinders and hot-knives would even suggest that THAT isn't all that "permanent".
(it's not tight if it's a liquid!)
Put the mag in the lower, replace the button and spring for the mag release with a $0.22 nut from Ace Hardware, tighten enough that it doesn't deform the mag and cause feeding issue, but still requires a tool to remove, and you should be good (IMHO - your mileage may vary).
 
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Grimscale said:
And this is a good point.
I still recall the lengthy discussions on the use of epoxy as indicated by the Purple Tie Squad, which is NOT in the actual law.

Start with what does the law ACTUALLY say. Does it say the mag has to be "permanently affixed" or does it say "cannot accept a detachable mag"?
then you can argue about the definitions of "permanently affixed", etc.
Since there is no way, short of having the magazine formed at the same time as the lower and as an extension of that lower, that it would be permanent, and grinders and hot-knives would even suggest that THAT isn't all that "permanent".
(it's not tight if it's a liquid!)
Put the mag in the lower, replace the button and spring for the mag release with a $0.22 nut from Ace Hardware, tighten enough that it doesn't deform the mag and cause feeding issue, but still requires a tool to remove, and you should be good (IMHO - your mileage may vary).
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Especially with the internet we suddenly have a surplus of interpretations. Use caution. I don’t disagree with them EXCEPT that without case law in place the person sitting the bench, prosecution are able to set their own interpretation; which trumps ours. A lot of what you read on these topics (needs a tool, requires X efforts, approved fix) are amateur facilitation of what they WANT it to be to get by or for YOU to buy their idea.
 
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Grimscale said:
And this is a good point.
I still recall the lengthy discussions on the use of epoxy as indicated by the Purple Tie Squad, which is NOT in the actual law.

Start with what does the law ACTUALLY say. Does it say the mag has to be "permanently affixed" or does it say "cannot accept a detachable mag"?
then you can argue about the definitions of "permanently affixed", etc.
Since there is no way, short of having the magazine formed at the same time as the lower and as an extension of that lower, that it would be permanent, and grinders and hot-knives would even suggest that THAT isn't all that "permanent".
(it's not tight if it's a liquid!)
Put the mag in the lower, replace the button and spring for the mag release with a $0.22 nut from Ace Hardware, tighten enough that it doesn't deform the mag and cause feeding issue, but still requires a tool to remove, and you should be good (IMHO - your mileage may vary).
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This is accurate. I epoxied my magazine lock in place just to be more safe if that’s a thing. Before I did this I was smart and put some plumbers putty in there. I can use a pick to remove the epoxy cap and a regular old Allen key to remove the screw and plumbers putty if I ever need to.

To the OP’s point it would be cool if someone made a magazine that you could just swap the Fowler and spring out to make it a different caliber. I understand how the bullet feeds in to wherever might be a bit different but I’ll bet they could do it. Is it worth their time though? Probably not.
For now I’d say take the upper off, swap the mag, put the mag back in and reattach new upper. It’s not a gun that’s operational without the upper. Outside of that shut your mouth and don’t speak about doing this and no one will ever know your broke the law for 35 seconds. It’s ridiculous we even have to ponder this.
 
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