Crossing State lines w/ my pistol

DoD1776 said:

All of my pistols are 9mm, I’ve been needing and meaning to get a .45 or something similar for the past year or so… seems like the 9 will basically be carrying a rock and you throw the rock and say “please stop” haha

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9mm you say....

I'll bet there's been as many put in the Hospital as put in the ground by the 9mm as most pistol shots are a crap shoot at best...sometimes you get lucky, other times it's snake eyes.

DoD1776 said:

Yup, planned on carrying both the 9 banger and some bear spray!

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Your "9" will only make the bear more angry.

spat said:

Don't trust your apple maps *that* much...

It may be "boomer advice" to double check the navigation before a long trip, but that doesn't mean they're not right.

9 of the most epic GPS failures - Salon.com

The US launched a GPS satellite 25 years ago. It's been mostly helpful -- except when it leads drivers into a lake

www.salon.com

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The wife and I just had this argument driving to Virginia and back. She loves her Apple Play and I'd rather use Google maps. Her way put me in fucking traffic jams both ways.

One other thing. The president you hate is the only president in my lifetime that has uttered the words "National Reciprocity".

Bustedknees said:

The wife and I just had this argument driving to Virginia and back. She loves her Apple Play and I'd rather use Google maps. Her way put me in fucking traffic jams both ways.

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She just wanted to spend more time with you

Bananabandit said:

She just wanted to spend more time with you

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If I had a motorcycle in tow I would've left skid marks.

FP1201 said:

I'll bet there's been as many put in the Hospital as put in the ground by the 9mm as most pistol shots are a crap shoot at best...sometimes you get lucky, other times it's snake eyes.

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Shot placement matters more than anything.

A hit with a .22lr is better than a miss with a .50bmg

A 9mm through the eye socket can take down a grizzly, but a .300 win mag to the shoulder (from the front) might not stop it.


OfC, caliber does matter, that 300 win mag is a lot more forgiving of poor placement than the 9mm.

FP1201 said:

I'll bet there's been as many put in the Hospital as put in the ground by the 9mm as most pistol shots are a crap shoot at best...sometimes you get lucky, other times it's snake eyes.

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spat said:

Shot placement matters more than anything.

A hit with a .22lr is better than a miss with a .50bmg

A 9mm through the eye socket can take down a grizzly, but a .300 win mag to the shoulder (from the front) might not stop it.


OfC, caliber does matter, that 300 win mag is a lot more forgiving of poor placement than the 9mm.

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I personally know someone that killed in self defense, a possibly record sized Black Bear using a 12 gauge Mossberg Persuader loaded with #8 "Cove & Quail" Loads...Several years back (in NY?) there was a Homeowner that killed a Black Bear using a .22 Rifle, so certainly it can be done, but I don't recommend it or being converted to Bear shit.
Gabe Suarez, a man that HAS BEEN in several gun fights said the only "one shot stop" he ever saw was from a 9mm directly into the chest. now that doesn't make the nine a superior cartridge despite it's century plus popularity.
I couldn't find the original interview (it's been a lot of years back) but I did find an excellent read from him on barfcom: Another good read by Gabe Suarez- caliber and capacity choice > Georgia > AR15.COM

spat said:

If your weapons aren't accessible, and you don't stop for anything more than gas you can cross IL perfectly legally.

Still, if you can skip it without adding too much more driving, I'd skip it.

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I thought that there was a recent decision that Mark Smith talked about on the Four Boxes Diner regarding this. The upshot was that you could now secure your gun and ammo separately, out of the drivers compartment AND stop in your travels including getting gas, getting food, stopping to use the restroom and stopping to rest, even over night in a motel before continuing on your way. Anyone have a bead on that decision?

Bustedknees said:

One other thing. The president you hate is the only president in my lifetime that has uttered the words "National Reciprocity".

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I saw the video on Trump saying that at a recent rally and it made my day. One of the best things he has said in the last 16 months.

dean3690 said:

I thought that there was a recent decision that Mark Smith talked about on the Four Boxes Diner regarding this. The upshot was that you could now secure your gun and ammo separately, out of the drivers compartment AND stop in your travels including getting gas, getting food, stopping to use the restroom and stopping to rest, even over night in a motel before continuing on your way. Anyone have a bead on that decision?

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It all comes down to what the particular officer, prosecutor, and judge you draw considers "reasonable stops".

You might be fine staying in a motel in most of IL, but I sure as hell wouldn't risk it in Cook county.

The laws might be identical, but the application is not.

If you have the resources to push it all the way to SCOTUS, you'll probably come out victorious.

But the cook county goon squad won't suffer at all for the hell they'll put you through for that victory, so they have no incentive whatsoever not to drag you through it even if they know you'll win in the end.

spat said:

It all comes down to what the particular officer, prosecutor, and judge you draw considers "reasonable stops".

You might be fine staying in a motel in most of IL, but I sure as hell wouldn't risk it in Cook county.

The laws might be identical, but the application is not.

If you have the resources to push it all the way to SCOTUS, you'll probably come out victorious.

But the cook county goon squad won't suffer at all for the hell they'll put you through for that victory, so they have no incentive whatsoever not to drag you through it even if they know you'll win in the end.

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Yes detour around the most anti gun states as you can . Why tempt fate.

dean3690 said:

I thought that there was a recent decision that Mark Smith talked about on the Four Boxes Diner regarding this. The upshot was that you could now secure your gun and ammo separately, out of the drivers compartment AND stop in your travels including getting gas, getting food, stopping to use the restroom and stopping to rest, even over night in a motel before continuing on your way. Anyone have a bead on that decision?

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I am not citing anything, so do your own research or blindly trust me and hope my memory isn't failing...
But there was very specific verbiage along the lines of being protected for "necessary stops" in unfriendly states, if the state you originate and end in your guns are legal at.

Necessary is up for determination by whoever happens to be on duty that day in the local yokel police department or how aggressively the local anti gun DA wants to cushion his resume that's he's tough on out of state gun crime.

You "should" be protected making necessary stops, gas, bathroom, food, but I would absolutely not do any sight seeing in an unfriendly state and stay as close to the highway you are traveling on as possible. Don't deviate off your route to get gas. An over zealous DA or cop might even question your choice of gas station or restaurant, why are you 5 miles from the interstate at this gas station/restaurant when there are closer choices right off the highway, it doesn't look like your making a necessary stop here to me. If they want to ruin your day, don't make it easy for them. What's easier to defend in court, that you stopped to get gas right at the exit and right back onto the interstate highway to leave, or, you drove past 2 gas stations and went into the next town to their gas station. Which one is easier to defend in court as necessary? (If it ever came to that). Think ahead. Protect yourself.


Be very careful. Be very mindful. Saying less is more. Give your vehicle a thorough pre trip inspection to ensure all your lights are working. Use cruise control , Don't speed, and use your turning directionals.

The only genuinely anti gun state Ive gone through was Maryland. I did not stop. I made sure I did not need to use the bathroom, had plenty of gas, and then set the cruise at 2mph over the speed limit and made my way through as boringly and mundane as possible.

DoD1776 said:

So, late July I’m finally heading out to Montana after saying I was going “next year” for the past six years. I’ll be driving the whole way.

From what I’ve gathered, it’s federally legal to transport a firearm across state lines under FOPA, provided the gun is unloaded and not readily accessible. To play it safe, I plan on keeping it locked up with the ammunition stored separately.

Can anyone who has done this trip vouch for that? I understand federal law provides protection, but can individual state laws still create issues along the way? I’ll be passing through several states, so I want to make sure I’m squared away before I leave.

Once I’m out there, I plan on open carrying on my chest while hiking in the national parks. I just picked up a Vedder chest holster. I considered concealed carry, but with a backpack and other gear on long hikes, I don’t think it would be very comfortable. I’ll be doing some pretty lengthy hikes, so a chest rig seems like the most practical setup. Just trying to make sure I’m doing everything legally and responsibly.

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You are correct, to be safe have your gun and the ammo in separate locked boxes away from you.
I carry a copy of the firearm transport law in my glove compartment. You should do the same.
For the states that your license or licenses do not cover you can
only stop for gas or to use the rest room, no overnight stays.
C.B