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Arsenic in rice. Natural occurring.
I do believe residuals on food.
How ever just like covid, food stores were wiping down conveyors with something and no one knew how to use it. I went to the manager and got what it was, looked it up, got the msds and they were using it wrong; never read the directions. (Wegmans)
In order to have a real conversation on anything good information is needed; like the % of users vs any sick.
Until that info. is available, name calling should be left back in the 5th grade.
 
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fresch said:
Arsenic in rice. Natural occurring.
I do believe residuals on food.
How ever just like covid, food stores were wiping down conveyors with something and no one knew how to use it. I went to the manager and got what it was, looked it up, got the msds and they were using it wrong; never read the directions. (Wegmans)
In order to have a real conversation on anything good information is needed; like the % of users vs any sick.
Until that info. is available, name calling should be left back in the 5th grade.
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I'm in the mood to be calling names today.
 
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Yawn. By the way, you refer to me as a leftie, I've been voting for the politicians who represent the political right longer than you've been alive.
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Folks like Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, George W, Bush are hardly right. Might as well be a leftie at that point.
 
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Folks like Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, George W, Bush are hardly right. Might as well be a leftie at that point.
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Show me anywhere in my post history where I've supported either one of those three.
You won't be able to for a reason.

There you go again making assumptions to fulfill your own narrative.
 
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So show us the so called science that allowed it on the market that states its safe. BTW, chemicals are not good for the body.
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Everything is a chemical. Water is one of the most popular solvents there is.

So, you think the government should be able to dictate what you're allowed to buy ? Only stuff they declare is "safe" ?

Where's "the science" for old school "organic" fertilizers.

You know how many people that stuff has killed throughout history ?

There's a ton of stuff that's on the market only because we've been eating it forever.

I bet if someone had just discovered peanuts this year they'd be outlawed immediately after the first allergic reaction.
 
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Read the article, they have the studies linked. You proved my point that you do not know how to read. Maybe I can’t blame you, there is such a thing called a “clickable links” within a news article…
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Do the studies say what the article claims they say ?

That's a real popular trick in the media. Write an article that claims one thing, then link a couple tangentially related "studies" who's actual conclusions aren't remotely what the article is claiming.

Were they "studies", or actual scientifically rigorous experiments ?

That's another popular trick. Don't actually do any real science, just "summarize" a bunch of other people's research. That one's how you get the "95% of scientists agree" bullshit.
 
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DoD1776 said:
Uh oh! Must be a lie!!! I know reading is hard for you lefties buttttttttttt facts do not care about your feelings.

Before the USDA examines each sample, the fruit or vegetable is peeled or scrubbed and thoroughly washed to mimic consumer behavior at home. Even after taking those steps, testing found traces of 264 pesticides - of those, 203 appeared on Dirty Dozen produce.

Health impacts of pesticides​

Pesticides have been potentially linked in past studies to premature births, congenital malformations such as neural tube defects, spontaneous abortions and an increase in genetic damage in humans. Exposure to pesticides has also been associated with lower sperm concentrations, heart disease, cancer and other disorders.

Children are especially susceptible to contaminants such as pesticides, even while in the womb, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. Pesticide exposure during pregnancy may lead to an increased risk of birth defects, low birth weight and fetal death, according to the AAP. "Exposure in childhood has been linked to attention and learning problems, as well as cancer."

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'Dirty Dozen' produce: Nearly 100% tested positive for pesticides, including 'forever chemicals'

Leafy greens such as spinach and perennial kid favorites such as strawberries and grapes held the highest levels of potentially harmful pesticide residues based on government tests.
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You don't seem to understand that "detectable levels" doesn't mean shit.

Remember the covid PCR tests ? We'll crank the sensitivity of the test so high it will claim a carrot has covid half the time.

There's "detectable levels" of radioactive material, even if you grew your vegetables at home using nothing but fertilizer you *also* grew at home.

Detectable != dangerous.

So, any article or "study" that doesn't give actual quantitative results with statistically valid confidence intervals isn't science. That's true for basically anything, whether it's global warming or food scare tactics.

And then once you get your results "23 ppb of chemical X", then you need to find out if that's even a lot. So you'll need another paper that details what levels are dangerous, and it also has to have a confidence interval for the results.

And those confidence intervals better be tight enough to mean something too. Sometimes you can put in all the work and rigorously run the experiment, but when you crunch the data the statistical analysis basically says "yea, we can't really tell anything from this".

But, when you publish that, sure as shit some "journalist" is going to cherry pick bits out of it and claim it supports whatever conclusion they're pushing.


Education has really gone down hill in this country over the last few decades. It's a shame, we used to train people how to spot bullshit.

Now we just train them to "trust the authorities", and then spend the rest of their lives lobbying them that this authority is better than that authority.

The reality is you shouldn't trust *any* authorities, if something is important, you need to learn how to evaluate it *yourself*. Then if you care about some result, you need to read their paper and decide if it was well conducted and if you agree with those conclusions based on actual science.

It's a shame that most people are just incapable of that anymore.
 
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A quote from a female working stiff, "well I read it in the paper so it must be true"; it was about what happened to a guy who was to go check the voltage in a bucket (electrical term for an enclosure within a larger enclosure) and had a brain fart went to the high voltage area unlocked the gate (locked for protection) went to a similar numbered bucket , opened it hooked his low voltage tester on to high voltage and got blown across the room. He was starting a lawsuit.
 
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The linked abc click bait
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spat said:
You don't seem to understand that "detectable levels" doesn't mean shit.

Remember the covid PCR tests ? We'll crank the sensitivity of the test so high it will claim a carrot has covid half the time.

There's "detectable levels" of radioactive material, even if you grew your vegetables at home using nothing but fertilizer you *also* grew at home.

Detectable != dangerous.

So, any article or "study" that doesn't give actual quantitative results with statistically valid confidence intervals isn't science. That's true for basically anything, whether it's global warming or food scare tactics.

And then once you get your results "23 ppb of chemical X", then you need to find out if that's even a lot. So you'll need another paper that details what levels are dangerous, and it also has to have a confidence interval for the results.

And those confidence intervals better be tight enough to mean something too. Sometimes you can put in all the work and rigorously run the experiment, but when you crunch the data the statistical analysis basically says "yea, we can't really tell anything from this".

But, when you publish that, sure as shit some "journalist" is going to cherry pick bits out of it and claim it supports whatever conclusion they're pushing.


Education has really gone down hill in this country over the last few decades. It's a shame, we used to train people how to spot bullshit.

Now we just train them to "trust the authorities", and then spend the rest of their lives lobbying them that this authority is better than that authority.

The reality is you shouldn't trust *any* authorities, if something is important, you need to learn how to evaluate it *yourself*. Then if you care about some result, you need to read their paper and decide if it was well conducted and if you agree with those conclusions based on actual science.

It's a shame that most people are just incapable of that anymore.
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fresch said:
A quote from a female working stiff, "well I read it in the paper so it must be true"; it was about what happened to a guy who was to go check the voltage in a bucket (electrical term for an enclosure within a larger enclosure) and had a brain fart went to the high voltage area unlocked the gate (locked for protection) went to a similar numbered bucket , opened it hooked his low voltage tester on to high voltage and got blown across the room. He was starting a lawsuit.
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Click bait, but yet the studies are linked in the article… sorry you guys can’t read worth a shit. Facts hurt, I know, feeling are hurt, I know, it’s sad! I hope you decide to read them one done and grow a pair and admit you are wrong.
 
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Click bait, but yet the studies are linked in the article… sorry you guys can’t read worth a shit. Facts hurt, I know, feeling are hurt, I know, it’s sad! I hope you decide to read them one done and grow a pair and admit you are wrong.
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So, you'll be able to post the actual quantitative results and confidence intervals from those studies, right ?

Or did you not read them at all, and just took the "they posted a link to a study, so it must be true" bullshit.

So you'll take this seriously, I'm adding a link to a study showing why you should't just trust an article because it has a link to a study.

Honest yet unacceptable research practices: when research becomes a health risk - PMC Honest yet unacceptable research practices: when research becomes a health risk - PMC
 
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spat said:
Everything is a chemical. Water is one of the most popular solvents there is.

So, you think the government should be able to dictate what you're allowed to buy ? Only stuff they declare is "safe" ?

Where's "the science" for old school "organic" fertilizers.

You know how many people that stuff has killed throughout history ?

There's a ton of stuff that's on the market only because we've been eating it forever.

I bet if someone had just discovered peanuts this year they'd be outlawed immediately after the first allergic reaction.
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We are talking synthetic petro chemicals. Not good.
 
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spat said:
So, you'll be able to post the actual quantitative results and confidence intervals from those studies, right ?

Or did you not read them at all, and just took the "they posted a link to a study, so it must be true" bullshit.

So you'll take this seriously, I'm adding a link to a study showing why you should't just trust an article because it has a link to a study.

Honest yet unacceptable research practices: when research becomes a health risk - PMC Honest yet unacceptable research practices: when research becomes a health risk - PMC
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Show us the conducted safety studies on glysophate.Lets see your science?
 
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DoD1776 said:
Click bait, but yet the studies are linked in the article… sorry you guys can’t read worth a shit. Facts hurt, I know, feeling are hurt, I know, it’s sad! I hope you decide to read them one done and grow a pair and admit you are wrong.
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Dayten, Dayten, Dayten. Sorry kid, on this tantrum you are wrong.

@spat nailed it and you don't get it. Just because a "study" detects a substance (at ppb concentrations) does not mean the digestable absorbed amount or it's biological half life will contribute to a body chemistry change that leads to cancer.

BTY, in summary again, the "studies of studies" from the IARC - that helped create these fake news click bait headlines and fed various money laundering schemes - was rejected by the European Union. The ambulance chasing lawyers in the U.S. and the IARC use "studies of ANIMAL studies: that 1) don't correspond to actual animal food chain absorption and 2) are not consistent the limited Human testing that has been performed and allowed for current Glyphospate use. That's why the IARC gave Glyphospate the same risk level the IARC assigned to eating red meat.

Dayten, have you fully given up steak and burger consumption yet?

Should human studies continue? Of course, it's a continuously moving target of potential new issues especially as the tons per year use of pesticides / herbacides / genetically modified produce / poullutens etc increases.

@Bigfoot has given you some sound advice on maturing a bit. Just living life contains unavoidable risks and our focus should be on managing life's avoidable risks (some risks may have acute effects some risks may have chronic effects) based on a conscious personal risk / benefit decision. Often that decision should be to keep exposures as low as reasonably achievable, in other cases your quality of life is best served by moderation where high or low exposures have the worst outcomes (e.g. sun exposure)

There are times a snot nosed clueless kid needs to throttle back their tantrums and try to digest the information.

Don't worry Dayten, I don't think you've hurt anyone's feelings. I actually find it funny how on the internet a keyboard warrior can get in to a pissing contest with members who are essentially strangers and the trolling warrior has no idea how ridiculous their tantrums are.

I've learned there are some extradinary characters on this fine forum (some are world class marksman, some are world class athletes, some are the most highly regarded professionals in their fields, some could be a scary adversary in a street fight over something stupid, some are "have more money than God" wealthy, and most are salt of the earth one would be lucky to call a friend). On this forum we all know what Dayten's education is, what training Dayten has been provided, what all Dayten's job experiences have been over the years, and Dayten's physical size.

Dayten, be careful when you insult the knowledge and testicle size of strangers on the internet. I don't think the great gentlemen on this fine forum pose a life or limb risk to a wanna be trolling keyboard warrior but I'd wager a nickel or two they have better reading comprehension than you and I'd bet a dollar or two they've got bigger balls than you.
 
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Robin said:
Is there really a tick borne disease that make it so a man can no longer eat red meat?
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Sort of. There is a real issue and there is click bait.

There is a syndome, Alpha-gal syndrome (AGS), that can cause an allergic reaction following the consumption of mammalian meats and dairy.

Three types of ticks, chiggers, mites, and other parasites are known to be a vector for introducing the alpha-gal sugar molecule into a human. Most of the known cases are related to bites from Lone Star ticks although there are cases from Deer Ticks.

Not all parasites or ticks are infected, most are not.

Not all infected Lone Star tick bites will introduce the alpha gal sugar molecule.

In local areas of high Lone Star Tick population exposure, 15-20% of the tested population showed anti-bodies from an infected tick bite in their blood.

The CDC gave a guess that 400,000 - 500,000 Americans have the anti-bodies in their blood nationwide.

Some humans with the anti-bodies in their blood will NOT have any allergic reactions. Not everyone gets the allergic reaction.

Many with AGS will not notice or may just have a minor allergic reaction like itching or hives after consuming meat or dairy.

Some people will have a severe allergic reaction and trouble breathing after consuming meat or dairy.

There is no medical cure for Alpha-gal Syndrome but the allergy can sometimes go into remission for many whose IgE antibody levels decline after avoiding further infected tick bites, avoiding other allergens the "patient" may have, and avoiding chronic inflamation by selecting an anti-inflammatory diet and lifestyle choices.

For people with severe AGS allergic reactions they may be relegated to a life with no mammalian meat, no dairy, and carrying around an emergency epi-pen in case of accidental or cross contaminated exposure.
 
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DoD1776 said:
Click bait, but yet the studies are linked in the article… sorry you guys can’t read worth a shit. Facts hurt, I know, feeling are hurt, I know, it’s sad! I hope you decide to read them one done and grow a pair and admit you are wrong.
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In mine I personally known all the people and what happened and who was at fault. The point is never take a "report" as fact until you know the facts personally.
The guy had no standing it was his fault alone. The paper made it sound as if his boss was at fault. I moved on from doing the job there (finished) and figured the state of NY settled out of court, so he made a mistake and the tax payer is paying the bill. But to the ignorant he was in the right. Get the point now?
 
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