Israeli-American ties, good or bad? Somewhere in between?

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I'll start this off with an AI Overview to get things rolling.


Israeli-American ties are rooted in shared strategic interests and democratic values, but the alliance frequently faces significant controversy. The debate centers on the balance between America's global objectives and Israel's regional security, fueled by shifting public opinion and geopolitical developments.

Key sources of tension include:
  • Geopolitics and Iran: U.S. administrations and Israeli leadership often clash over how to manage Iran's nuclear program and regional influence. Differences regarding U.S.-led diplomatic deals with Iran and Israel's military actions in Lebanon have resulted in prominent diplomatic rifts.
  • Military Aid and Conditions: The U.S. provides immense financial and military support, including a $38 billion memorandum of understanding, making Israel the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid. Critics argue this support compromises U.S. neutrality and drags America into regional conflicts, while proponents view a strong Israel as a vital strategic counterweight in the Middle East.
  • Shifting Public Sentiment: Polling data indicates declining sympathy for Israel among younger Americans, driven by concerns over the high civilian toll in Gaza, domestic Israeli politics, and disagreements over peace processes.
  • Historical Flashpoints: Incidents like the 1967 USS Liberty attack and Israel’s undeclared nuclear arsenal policy remain historical points of friction and debate regarding transparency and accountability in the alliance.


Is that AI summarization correct, close to correct, sort of wrong, or completely wrong? IDK.

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Israeli and Americans ties good or bad ?

Well we have to honestly list the pros and the cons and make that decision for ourselves.
 
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They are a strong alliance in a difficult region. They have cultural ties to a part of our society. Like many other countries when our needs align they come in handy.

Like many other countries, their goals and agendas come first to them. Will they use intelligence gathered against us; yes. Benefit from our technological advances; yes. Like any other country they work toward their benefit; just like the US. Friendly; yes. Trust and verify; absolutely.
 
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They are leaches. We gave them billions of our money. Explain to me how we benefited? Furthermore, Our trillion dollar military doesn't need a merger of some sort. Ridiculous.
 
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Prominent journalist Tucker Carlson issues a terrifying warning to Washington.

He declares the world will soon discover exactly how many innocent women and children Israel murdered.

Every politician funding this Zionist genocide will face justice!

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DoD1776 said:
Our cultures do not mix. View attachment 285360
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this is a good representation of what is going on.

US <> Israeli ties were very tight for a long time.

Somewhere in the last year or two I started seeing a LOT of anti-Jew stuff appearing first on Gab, then on Facebook, now here.
I don't know if other targets have finally been crushed, or they got too difficult to fight, but it appears the Christians are on the warpath again to try to stamp out religions other than their own and dominate the entire world.
Maybe they see how successful Islam has become in the last 10 years and want their piece of it?

I don't know...
all I know is I'm getting sick and tired of the "I'm better than you", "you HAVE to obey my made up fairytale or else" bullshit. From all sides.

This isn't the 1400s anymore. People aren't going to tolerate the crusade crap. Republicans might want to wake up and realize that before they get voted into extinction.
 
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The Judeo-Christian heritage is immortalized in the Bible, when Jesus said that his father was greater than he............ and no one approaches the father except thru him. One God.

Islam is based upon the fact that Muhammad tried to become a Jew many times but was rejected by the Jewish Heirarchy so somehow he began a dream contact with a fallen angel, of the fallen 500, named Hu, who dictated the Koran in Muhammads dreams.

In the Egyptian Book of the dead , it is described how God threw his children Hu, Sa and Dfir out of the boat of heaven..............Allah-Hu is alive and well and wants all of you dead.

Worship as you may............
 
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Grimscale said:
this is a good representation of what is going on.

US <> Israeli ties were very tight for a long time.

Somewhere in the last year or two I started seeing a LOT of anti-Jew stuff appearing first on Gab, then on Facebook, now here.
I don't know if other targets have finally been crushed, or they got too difficult to fight, but it appears the Christians are on the warpath again to try to stamp out religions other than their own and dominate the entire world.
Maybe they see how successful Islam has become in the last 10 years and want their piece of it?

I don't know...
all I know is I'm getting sick and tired of the "I'm better than you", "you HAVE to obey my made up fairytale or else" bullshit. From all sides.

This isn't the 1400s anymore. People aren't going to tolerate the crusade crap. Republicans might want to wake up and realize that before they get voted into extinction.
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I too noticed more and more anti-Jew rhetoric with the Pro-Palestinian movement and I've been dismissive of it all as I've no dog in the fight nor desire to make it my battle.
 
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holdover said:
You do have a dog in the fight, you just dont know it yet
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Until I understand the forces, sides, and lines being drawn, the Red Robes of Neutrality I shall wear.
Asking questions, reading and digesting what's been written (propaganda from all sides) and investigations of actual occurrences should be examined before joining the tribalism...Discernment anyone?
 
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Grimscale said:
this is a good representation of what is going on.

US <> Israeli ties were very tight for a long time.

Somewhere in the last year or two I started seeing a LOT of anti-Jew stuff appearing first on Gab, then on Facebook, now here.
I don't know if other targets have finally been crushed, or they got too difficult to fight, but it appears the Christians are on the warpath again to try to stamp out religions other than their own and dominate the entire world.
Maybe they see how successful Islam has become in the last 10 years and want their piece of it?

I don't know...
all I know is I'm getting sick and tired of the "I'm better than you", "you HAVE to obey my made up fairytale or else" bullshit. From all sides.

This isn't the 1400s anymore. People aren't going to tolerate the crusade crap. Republicans might want to wake up and realize that before they get voted into extinction.
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You are wrong. Jews have been hating Christian’s for centuries.
 
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I used to be really pro Israel.

I'm way more confused now. What's really going on and how much influence and leverage they have over our country and political system they are using for their benefits.


I have no problem with Israeli people, they're probably fine and just trying to live in a place where they are surrounded by people who hate them, but the Israeli government I'm having a harder and harder time trusting them. I think they are out for number 1 and only number 1. Im starting to think they use us for their benefit and when it's convenient and our Interests align which sometimes they do, then we pull in the same direction and say how good of allies we are. I am starting to think a lot of Israels current problems are self inflicted but, I readily admit I might be wrong.

Frankly, I just don't know. There's a lot more than I will ever have time to learn and understand to have a really strong informed and educated opinion, but I do know I'm way more skeptical than I used to be.
 
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DoD1776 said:
You are wrong. Jews have been hating Christian’s for centuries.
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A lot of this started in Matthew 28, after Jesus had risen from the tomb, the Jewish elder priests bribed the roman guards to lie about it. Had they not done so, Judaism would have ended right then and there.



The Guards’ Report​

11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
 
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Until I understand the forces, sides, and lines being drawn, the Red Robes of Neutrality I shall wear.
Asking questions, reading and digesting what's been written (propaganda from all sides) and investigations of actual occurrences should be examined before joining the tribalism...Discernment anyone?
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Follow the money.
 
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Satanic Epstein child pedophiles and child sacrificers, plus genocide in Gaza, West Bank, and Lebanon. and psycho joos are still crying victim like crazy psychos. it’s never “their fault” for getting kicked out of 109 countries

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DoD1776 said:
You are wrong. Jews have been hating Christian’s for centuries.
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so have the Muslims. they hate 'em both!
The irony is Christianity is the only one that professes peace, even though Jesus came with a Sword and admonishment for you to get one too!
 
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DoD1776 said:
Our cultures do not mix. View attachment 285360
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Being Jewish is a religion and/or a nationality, sometimes it’s both but often it’s just a nationality.
I’m not sure the Jews of today want to kill Christians. Keep in mind the jewish leaders used the Roman’s to kill Jesus and those in the crowds went along with it. This was foretold and the plan so it had to happen according to Christian teachings.
I’ve met plenty of Jews and never had an issue with them. Plenty know I’m Christian and don’t have an issue with that. I’m not sure we can hold them all to what happened 2000+ years ago.
I’d say the same about Christian’s and the crusades, as well as the USA with slavery. I very country and group have skeletons and shouldn’t be held to the worst time in their history.
 
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Grimscale said:
this is a good representation of what is going on.

US <> Israeli ties were very tight for a long time.

Somewhere in the last year or two I started seeing a LOT of anti-Jew stuff appearing first on Gab, then on Facebook, now here.
I don't know if other targets have finally been crushed, or they got too difficult to fight, but it appears the Christians are on the warpath again to try to stamp out religions other than their own and dominate the entire world.
Maybe they see how successful Islam has become in the last 10 years and want their piece of it?

I don't know...
all I know is I'm getting sick and tired of the "I'm better than you", "you HAVE to obey my made up fairytale or else" bullshit. From all sides.

This isn't the 1400s anymore. People aren't going to tolerate the crusade crap. Republicans might want to wake up and realize that before they get voted into extinction.
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I don’t think this is it. I know lots of Christian’s and they support Israel. This is the left doing this and a few of n the right that have swung into the lefts camp here on this one. It’s shocks me as well. I have not heard this from any Christian’s in my circle.
What I hear my Christian friends talking about and scaring them is what we talk about here, the lefts/government overreach. The other thing is the left trying to trans the kids and other social/moral failings that go against the bible.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
A lot of this started in Matthew 28, after Jesus had risen from the tomb, the Jewish elder priests bribed the roman guards to lie about it. Had they not done so, Judaism would have ended right then and there.



The Guards’ Report​

11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
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You have to give them credit for their patience though. Still waiting for their savior after all these years.
Then you look at the miracles recorded and then you turn to why didn’t you see it?
 
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I have nothing against Jews....or Spaniards, or Italians, or most other countries.
I don't give one crap about their religion...or your religion...or anyones religion.
But blind devotion to fund and protect ANY country I am not for.
I don't follow this closely, but what has Israel done for us that would require us to fund their religious war?
If Russia attacks Poland are we going to send BILLIONS of dollars to Poland? Are our politicians going to wear Polish pins, and admonish those who talk bad about Poland like they do Isreal?
Its unfortunate that Isreal is a country of 10 million people completely surrounded by billions of people that hate them. But if my middle class white neighbors move to South Chicago, im not going to send them thousands of dollars for barred windows, im going to tell them to figure it out.
 
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Grimscale said:
this is a good representation of what is going on.

US <> Israeli ties were very tight for a long time.

Somewhere in the last year or two I started seeing a LOT of anti-Jew stuff appearing first on Gab, then on Facebook, now here.
I don't know if other targets have finally been crushed, or they got too difficult to fight, but it appears the Christians are on the warpath again to try to stamp out religions other than their own and dominate the entire world.
Maybe they see how successful Islam has become in the last 10 years and want their piece of it?

I don't know...
all I know is I'm getting sick and tired of the "I'm better than you", "you HAVE to obey my made up fairytale or else" bullshit. From all sides.

This isn't the 1400s anymore. People aren't going to tolerate the crusade crap. Republicans might want to wake up and realize that before they get voted into extinction.
Click to expand...
I think it's actually the Chinese.

Isreal is the lone western democracy in the middle east, and our greatest ally in the region by far.

China would like nothing more than to spoil that so that they can increase their influence.

So, they do what they do, they send forth their army of state sponsonred shitposters and stir up all the useful idiots to their cause.
 
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