Israeli-American ties, good or bad? Somewhere in between?

spat said:

I think it's actually the Chinese.

Isreal is the lone western democracy in the middle east, and our greatest ally in the region by far.

China would like nothing more than to spoil that so that they can increase their influence.

So, they do what they do, they send forth their army of state sponsonred shitposters and stir up all the useful idiots to their cause.

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Qatar is more of an ally than Israel lol. Israel is not an ally.

DoD1776 said:

You are wrong. Jews have been hating Christian’s for centuries.

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Tell us what the word pogrom means.

tirwin1 said:

Tell us what the word pogrom means.

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Tell us what the word brainwashed means. Wake up.

Ask Chuck Schumer

''Prominent journalist Tucker Carlson issues a terrifying warning to Washington.

He declares the world will soon discover exactly how many innocent women and children Israel murdered.''.

Tucker Carlson has gone over to the dark side. He is a rabid antisemite. He even claims to have been attacked by a demon. The fact that someone would cite him to support their point tells me all I need to know about that person.

We could all get better at understanding the separation between Isreal and Jewish faith as well. The country of Isreal is indeed a Jewish based state (much like the US started as a Christian based state). But the countries goals are not the goals of all in the Jewish faith.

Brawny71 said:

We could all get better at understanding the separation between Isreal and Jewish faith as well. The country of Isreal is indeed a Jewish based state (much like the US started as a Christian based state). But the countries goals are not the goals of all in the Jewish faith.

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Not only that, but not all those of the Jewish faith have the same goals. There are some ultra-orthodox Jews who hate Christians, just like there are some people who claim to be Christians who protest at the funeral of soldiers who die on duty and spew vile rhetoric at their family. We don't judge Christianity by the actions of that scum just as we shouldn't judge Judaism based on the actions of those radicals.

Pale Rider said:

''Prominent journalist Tucker Carlson issues a terrifying warning to Washington.

He declares the world will soon discover exactly how many innocent women and children Israel murdered.''.

Tucker Carlson has gone over to the dark side. He is a rabid antisemite. He even claims to have been attacked by a demon. The fact that someone would cite him to support their point tells me all I need to know about that person.

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Wouldn't someone who is murdering woman and children be on the dark side? I'm confused.. Who do you think Epstein was BTW??

FP1201 said:

Until I understand the forces, sides, and lines being drawn, the Red Robes of Neutrality I shall wear.
Asking questions, reading and digesting what's been written (propaganda from all sides) and investigations of actual occurrences should be examined before joining the tribalism...Discernment anyone?

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Understood, but please do ask questions, read research do your own due diligence. Just sitting around hoping things will get better, or mysteriously solve themselves…. is not the answer. putting your head in the sand and not making a choice isnt going to help either . this is a very serious issue which could change the entire course of our country's direction


Nobody wants to be a hater either. I get it, either do I, but if it comes down to us or them , Im chooseing us every time , hands down . My loyalty is to my country first and always . If my enemys call me a NAZI hater, anti semite , then Ill have to wear that hat , because I have speak up , My country comes first

"Wouldn't someone who is murdering woman and children be on the dark side? I'm confused.. Who do you think Epstein was BTW??"

You mean Hamas? Yes, they are definitely dark side. Israel doesn't murder anybody. They take more care to avoid civilian casualties than any country ever has. And Israel doesn't attack anyone who doesn't attack them first. Who Epstein may or may not have been is totally irrelevant. And I agree that you are confused.

Saltwater60 said:

He’s gone looney.

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Look there is a clear and utter distiction from the jewish people to Fashist ultra right genocidal militant fucktards that are fucking up the entire alliance . They have proclaimed thier enemys as sub human scum that must be eradicated .

I live in a neighborhood with Jewish people , I have no beef with them and they do thier own thing and dont bother anyone. those are not the people we have to worry about .

Pale Rider said:

And Israel doesn't attack anyone who doesn't attack them first.

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Whaa? they just launched a surprise attack in sept against Iran , they have bombed syria and lebbanon almost not stop for years .

Pale Rider said:

You mean Hamas? Yes, they are definitely dark side. Israel doesn't murder anybody. They take more care to avoid civilian casualties than any country ever has. And Israel doesn't attack anyone who doesn't attack them first. Who Epstein may or may not have been is totally irrelevant. And I agree that you are confused.

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No doubt about it at all Hamas is utter scum. They are vile organized terrorists.


I don't agree on your point that Israel takes more care than anyone in history to avoid civilian casualties. Maybe years or decades ago they truly tried to avoid it to reduce the risk of inflaming the population, but I do not think they care much at all anymore. To me they don't seem to be really overly concerned. They have turned gaza into a complete wasteland. It's not a stretch to say that it's more likely than not that in the recent Hamas,gaza, Lebanon, Iran it's well above 50,000 civilians killed.

Pale Rider said:

They take more care to avoid civilian casualties than any country ever has.

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In Gaza, reported deaths have exceeded 69,000, with scientific estimates and independent surveys indicating violent deaths may be over 75,000, including at least 17,000 children. In the West Bank, over 1,100 Palestinians have been killed, including more than 200 children. [1, 2, 3]

We didnt lose that many soldiers in 20 years of the war on terror . Id say they suck at it .


Across all affected regions (including Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Iran), the CPJ has verified that Israel has killed 259 journalists and media workers in total, with at least 75 of these deaths classified as direct targeted killings for their reporting

they blow up an entire apartment building because there was a few bad guys in it , (they claim) thats the justification.

If somebody killed your family and you tracked them down to an apartment building and blew it up and killed 50-60 people, you would be charged with 1st degree murder. Nobody is going to give you pass .

DoD1776 said:

Tell us what the word brainwashed means. Wake up.

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Brainwashed is a pretty good description for you. Are you ignorant of the term progrom and it's history?

A United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry concluded that Israeli authorities and security forces have committed war crimes, crimes against humanity, and acts of genocide in the Gaza Strip. These findings were corroborated by major human rights organizations, including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. [1, 2, 3]
The verified violations include:

• Targeting of Civilians and Children: The UN Commission of Inquiry found that Israeli forces deliberately targeted Palestinian children and used heavy munitions in densely populated areas, resulting in the destruction of vital organs and the systemic targeting of civilian life. [1, 2]
• Denial of Humanitarian Aid: Israel has been found responsible for imposing a total siege and deliberately withholding essential aid, food, and medical supplies, leading to systemic starvation and famine. [1, 2]
• Destruction of Civilian Infrastructure: Investigations have verified that Israel intentionally damaged or destroyed vast amounts of civilian infrastructure, including roughly 90% of Gaza's schools and universities, medical facilities, and historic and religious sites. [1, 2]
• Forced Displacement and Safe Zones: Human rights monitors analyzed Israeli evacuation orders and satellite imagery to verify that Palestinians were repeatedly forced to relocate into designated safe zones that were subsequently struck by Israeli airstrikes. [1, 2]
• Mistreatment of Detainees: Evidence, including footage uploaded by soldiers themselves, has documented the torture, executions, and mistreatment of Palestinian prisoners and civilians. [1, 2]
• Sexual Violence: Documentation by international rights experts has pointed to instances of sexual violence and abuse committed by Israeli forces. [1]

For more information, you can review the official findings reported by the UN News or dive into the full investigations maintained on Wikipedia's Overview of War Crimes. []




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A UN commission of inquiry says Israel has deliberately targeted Palestinian children, resulting in genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in the Gaza Strip, as well as war crimes in the occupied West Bank.
A new report alleges that Israeli authorities and security forces have "deliberately carried out acts inflicting death and severe bodily and mental harm on hundreds of thousands of Palestinian children", and that the killings continued even after last October's ceasefire in Gaza.
The commission says it has reasonable grounds to conclude that those acts "form part of a deliberate strategy to destroy the future of the Palestinians in Gaza by targeting their children".
Israel's foreign ministry said it "utterly rejects" the commission's report, calling it a "libellous sham" and "a propaganda piece as outrageous as its previous ones".
The Israeli military launched a campaign in Gaza in response to the unprecedented Hamas-led attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 were taken hostage.
At least 73,035 people have been killed in Israeli attacks in Gaza since then, including more than 21,280 children, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry, whose figures are seen as reliable by the UN.
The Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory and Israel was established by the UN Human Rights Council in 2021 to investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian and human rights law.
Its three-member expert panel does not officially speak for the UN.



Last September, the commission accused Israel of committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. A report said there were reasonable grounds to conclude that four of the five acts of genocide defined under the 1948 Genocide Convention had been carried out by Israeli authorities and security forces. Israel strongly rejected that report, calling it distorted and false.
The commission has previously concluded that Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups committed war crimes and other grave violations of international law on 7 October 2023, and that Israeli security forces have committed crimes against humanity and war crimes in Gaza.
Last October, Israel and Hamas agreed to a ceasefire as part of US President Donald Trump's plan to end the war.
Since then, both sides have accused each other of violating the truce repeatedly. Gaza's health ministry says more than 1,020 Palestinians have been killed, among them 265 children. The Israeli military says four soldiers have also been killed.
On Tuesday, the commission of inquiry said in a statement released together with the report that "the intense scale and systematic nature" of Israeli military operations in Gaza had continued, resulting in "unprecedented death, injury and trauma of Palestinian children".
"Even after the October 2025 ceasefire, children continue to be killed and seriously injured, with continued disregard by Israel for the ceasefire and for the protection owed to Palestinian children under international law," said Srinivasan Muralidhar, an Indian jurist who chairs the commission.
"The protection, care and survival of Palestinian children are inseparable from the Palestinian people's right to self-determination," he added. "By targeting children, Israel is attacking the very capacity of the Palestinian people to exist and to determine their future."
The commission's new report says Israel has targeted Palestinian children in Gaza directly by shooting at their vital organs using precision weapons, such as quadcopter drones and snipers, and by using high-impact weapons in strikes on residential buildings, schools, and displacement camps crowded with children.

The exact number of loans forgiven is not tallied as a distinct count because, since 1985, Congress restructured U.S. military assistance. Instead of standard loans requiring repayment, funds are effectively disbursed as direct grants and structured so that annual economic aid offsets Israel's debt to the U.S. government. [1, 2]


Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.

Defilade said:

Nope. Right on point and is MAGA

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He’s far from maga at this point. He used to be about 2 years ago. Now he’s so far right he’s going around the globe and joining the left. Since his departure from Fox News he’s gone off the deep end.

Shitheads equate the plight of Native Americans on reservations------------ to the Gazonians/Hamas criminals.

Gazonians do not operate casinos, preferring to dig tunnels.

Jews began moving back to the Holyland over 100+ years ago,. fighting between Gazonians and Jews began in earnest in 1912.

WWI ended conflict for a time but it resumed in the 1920's up to 1940..............1945 brought renewed fighting with the boatloads of Jews displaced persons entering the holy land.

Small arms flowed into the Holyland; mostly captured Nazi small arms.............then the Israeli defense industries were born, producing Galils and even produced its own Jets after retiring former nazi Aircraft used against the Gazonians.

Zerex said:

Shitheads equate the plight of Native Americans on reservations------------ to the Gazonians/Hamas criminals.

Gazonians do not operate casinos, preferring to dig tunnels.

Jews began moving back to the Holyland over 100+ years ago,. fighting between Gazonians and Jews began in earnest in 1912.

WWI ended conflict for a time but it resumed in the 1920's up to 1940..............1945 brought renewed fighting with the boatloads of Jews displaced persons entering the holy land.

Small arms flowed into the Holyland; mostly captured Nazi small arms.............then the Israeli defense industries were born, producing Galils and even produced its own Jets after retiring former nazi Aircraft used against the Gazonians.

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Hey Einstien, when did they produce thier first aircraft? when did they first produce the Merkava tank? When did thy first produce the galils? what type of helicopters do they run?

No history know history

fucking welfare state

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Jewish rabbis continue to fight against Israel and Zionism.

ZIONISM IS REBELLION AGAINST GOD.

"Israel is NOT a Jewish state. Israel is not the state of all Jews nor are Jews a nationality.

Calling Israel the 'Jewish State' is like saying 'Halal Pork' or 'Kosher Pork'. The entire idea of Zionism is contrary to the Jewish faith. (Know that Israel is a completely secular state and its laws violate ALL the fundamental commandments of the Torah and the Jewish religion)

Using the Torah to insert a ‘Jewish’ character to the State of Israel is like trying to make pork Kosher. imposible

Holy Grand Rabbi Yitzchak Lebavitch says: "Zionists must be buried in the ground like snakes."

Israel is not a Jewish state.

Rabbi Boruch Kaplan,
Principal and founder of Bais Yaakov School, Brooklyn, USA

Everyone should know who the murderers are – the Zionists are the biggest murderers in the world, who refuse to let the Jewish People live in peace either physically or spiritually!”
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Another bold claim that is likley bogus...................Jews hate their supporters?

Miserable people, Isolationists in the USA seem to naturally gravitate to jew hating and hate for those who support Israel, despite no known crimes committed by them against them.

US Foreign aid by Country inc Afghanistan to the Bahamas:


Yet you apparentey want Israel destroyed.......... like an Iranian Mullah but for no reason.

Go for it.

In denial.

Yes, Israel is a wealthy, high-income country. It possesses a highly advanced, free-market economy and ranks among the top global economies in terms of per capita GDP, alongside major Western European nations. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key factors defining Israel's wealth include:

• Innovation & Technology: Despite lacking abundant natural resources, the country has a booming technology, science, and venture capital sector. It is frequently compared to Silicon Valley and boasts the second-highest number of startup companies in the world. [1, 2, 3]
• Global Ranking: Israel ranks as one of the richest economies per capita globally, with a standard of living that aligns with World Economics data and compares to highly developed nations. [1, 2]
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• • Industrial Exports: Its economy is largely driven by high-tech equipment, cut diamonds, pharmaceuticals, defense systems, and natural gas exports. [1, 2]
  • High Human Development: The nation frequently scores very high on the United Nations' Human Development Index, with high life expectancy and strong quality-of-life rankings. [1]
  Makes ya Wonder why they need all the welfare .