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Saltwater60 said:
Not sure when the USA turned into the I love Muslims country but we have. It blows my mind. How do people forget so easily what they have done?
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It didnt, its blowing your mind because you cant understand the reasoning for it. Its not love of Muslims .Its what is the best intrest of my country?

Were on the verge of a financial breakdown and were persuading these ridiculous policy's that do not benefit the US . the cost of food gas oil deisel are skyrocketing . and people want to go to war for the wrong reasons at the wrong time . I want whats best for my country. and fighting for a forgien nation to no benefit of the American public isnt top on my list.

In fact its the blind hatred of Muslims that is driving this shitshow . we get nothing from it . its not in our best intrests .
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This is part of the reason we won’t commit because our country has turned weak and loves them in their entirety.
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No, its not. since 1990 we killed plenty of Muslims , It was our hobby, Our country was weak before because of the criminals in DC , everybody is funneling money to each other. its a giant shitshow , and people should be held to account for thier crimes against the people , we spend something like ten times the money other countries spend on defense and were getting shit back in returns

We were never ready to fight Iran. (should have been) but we were woefully unprepared. Isreal decided it was a good Idea to attack Iran and make peace , while we fight the war they started . Had we been prepared, forces would have been in place before they ever attacked , the trigger would have been pulled first week . We were never commited to invade because we were just the rescue team , and now were stuck .
 
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It didnt, its blowing your mind because you cant understand the reasoning for it. Its not love of Muslims .Its what is the best intrest of my country?

Were on the verge of a financial breakdown and were persuading these ridiculous policy's that do not benefit the US . the cost of food gas oil deisel are skyrocketing . and people want to go to war for the wrong reasons at the wrong time . I want whats best for my country. and fighting for a forgien nation to no benefit of the American public isnt top on my list.

In fact its the blind hatred of Muslims that is driving this shitshow . we get nothing from it . its not in our best intrests .


No, its not. since 1990 we killed plenty of Muslims , It was our hobby, Our country was weak before because of the criminals in DC , everybody is funneling money to each other. its a giant shitshow , and people should be held to account for thier crimes against the people , we spend something like ten times the money other countries spend on defense and were getting shit back in returns

We were never ready to fight Iran. (should have been) but we were woefully unprepared. Isreal decided it was a good Idea to attack Iran and make peace , while we fight the war they started . Had we been prepared, forces would have been in place before they ever attacked , the trigger would have been pulled first week . We were never commited to invade because we were just the rescue team , and now were stuck .
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Verge of a financial breakdown ? Hyperbole much ?

Unless you're talking about the debt, in that case we've been on the verge for decades. It's coming sure, but none of the other POTUS this century seem to have cared, not sure it's fair to put it all on this one.
 
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First it was the UFC on the White House lawn. Now we have Indy cars on the National Mall. Ah, yeah, good old circus. Keep the masses addled and drooling, and no one will pay attention to the real problems.

We win yet?
 
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holdover said:
Talking about the debt, the collapsing bond market ,and the rapid rate of inflation . its indicative of what the future holds . Nobody is doing anything to stop it , , Not blameing trump for it directly, dont know where you come up with that shit . But He sure doesnt seem to be doing anything to slow down or stop it

if this shit continues at this pace were likely to see gas and diesel double by next year. New cars sales are down Jobs are down, home sales are starting to stagnate . these are issues the American taxpayers are concerned with . not supporting multiple wars we didnt have to support . except if your a fucking Zionist, then you see American interests take a back seat and your good with that. along with the other America second crowd.
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Wow, you must be getting all your news from CNN and their like.

In case you haven't been paying attention, they lie. A lot.

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Tim Pool (@Timcast) on X

These people vote... My god the dishonesty. CNN argues that because a whole bottle of mayonnaise is $12 you can't buy groceries and cook for your family affordably
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Inflation is still better than it was under Biden. Same for Gas prices, unemployment, and all the other stats that your sources are plain lying to you about.

You are buying the propaganda from America's enemies hook, line, and sinker, and you're delusionally thinking you're "America first". Your intentions may be good, but you are playing right into our enemies hands.

BTW, grocery *prices* are up, because they never drop. But the rate of increase is down.

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Grimscale said:
Why would gas prices double by next year?
Granted, they haven't gone down (at least around here), but they haven't been going up, either.

Did I miss something else new happening recently?
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The speculation, is that we are within a couple weeks of depleting the remainder of the SPR, and many believe the conflict in middle east is very far from over, it's just merely being paused right now. No one in the US is changing driving habits yet, demand is still as high as usual, the rest of the world has also depleted their reserves by now.

Take where the global economy is today, and factor in 3 more months of the strait being shut down and the effects that will have on global oil pricing.

It's entirely within the realm of possibilities that gas prices make a jump again. Not sure about double, but many think it's very possible.
 
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Steal2B said:
If that were the case, the futures market would be much much higher but it is not.
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I get your point.

But I don't understand why it isn't higher. It logically makes sense that it would be higher until this conflict is resolved. There is so much risk and uncertainty, and all the while the readily available global oil reserve stocks have been depleted.

The odds of more escalation and conflict are higher than peace and the free flowing of VLCC tankers through the strait out to market
 
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March 1, 2026: (How long will this conflict last?). TRUMP: "Well, we intended four to five weeks."

March 7, 2026: TRUMP: "We're winning the war by a lot. We've decimated their whole evil empire. It'll continue, I'm sure, for a little while."


March 11, 2026: TRUMP: "any time I want it to end, it will end."

March 19, 2026: TRUMP: “In literally two weeks, we’ve demolished Iran’s navy and air force. All technology is gone. All communication is gone. All of their leaders are gone.”


And here we are, late August, with no resolution in sight. Trump is not being honest with America about his forever war.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I get your point.

But I don't understand why it isn't higher. It logically makes sense that it would be higher until this conflict is resolved. There is so much risk and uncertainty, and all the while the readily available global oil reserve stocks have been depleted.

The odds of more escalation and conflict are higher than peace and the free flowing of VLCC tankers through the strait out to market
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I get your point.

But I don't understand why it isn't higher. It logically makes sense that it would be higher until this conflict is resolved. There is so much risk and uncertainty, and all the while the readily available global oil reserve stocks have been depleted.

The odds of more escalation and conflict are higher than peace and the free flowing of VLCC tankers through the strait out to market
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Bottom line, prices are already at a premium. If things get worse the price will be trapped where they are at instead of falling. We can't make more gas than we already do because of a refinery bottleneck so a greater supply will not reduce prices. A lower demand based on seasonal driving is happening (we actually broke consumption records ths summer). The seasonal gasoline distillery shift to winter grade also drops price because of lower costs and improves refinery output which also drops price.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I get your point.

But I don't understand why it isn't higher. It logically makes sense that it would be higher until this conflict is resolved. There is so much risk and uncertainty, and all the while the readily available global oil reserve stocks have been depleted.

The odds of more escalation and conflict are higher than peace and the free flowing of VLCC tankers through the strait out to market
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Because today's price *is* the "no oil flowing through the straight" price.

To make the price go up, that conflict would have to somehow make *less* oil flow than it has been, and nobody is going to ship oil the other way and pump it back into the ground LOL. That's what it would take to make less oil flow next year than this summer.

Also, what "more escalation" do you think there will be that could affect oil prices ? Iran starts blowing up refineries in all their neighbors ? News flash, they've already tried that, they suck at it. Iran is all in. They've got nothing more they can escalate.
 
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Steal2B said:
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By Jana Choukeir, Eman Abouhassira and Susan HeaveyDUBAI/WASHINGTON, Aug 21 (Reuters) - Iran said on Friday that its response to any new U.S. threats would be "devastating" after Washington pledged to impose the toughest financial penalties in history with the aim of toppling the Iranian...
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"Stop or I'll say Stop again".

WTF are they going to do ? Try to invade Oman via kayak ?
 
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FWIW

JP Sears is worth 12 million dollars because he is a talented comedian who gets high clickbait internet income by pissing people off (one market sector) and by his loyal tin foil hat nay sayer following (a different market sector).

He is rich because of his clickbait (usually exaggerated portrayals but sometimes flat out fibs) and not because he is accurate or truthful.

He's a talented entertainment source ... not a reference source. Not a bad thing. With his business model there is more money in clickbait than accurate reporting and he ain't got the looks to be an Only Fans model.
 
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Beerman said:
March 1, 2026: (How long will this conflict last?). TRUMP: "Well, we intended four to five weeks."

March 7, 2026: TRUMP: "We're winning the war by a lot. We've decimated their whole evil empire. It'll continue, I'm sure, for a little while."


March 11, 2026: TRUMP: "any time I want it to end, it will end."

March 19, 2026: TRUMP: “In literally two weeks, we’ve demolished Iran’s navy and air force. All technology is gone. All communication is gone. All of their leaders are gone.”


And here we are, late August, with no resolution in sight. Trump is not being honest with America about his forever war.
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Your Energy bill will be cut in half. DOGE checks. Lock her up. The list of failures is endless and disappointing. Trojan horse comes to mind.
 
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Steal2B said:
FWIW

JP Sears is worth 12 million dollars because he is a talented comedian who gets high clickbait internet income by pissing people off (one market sector) and by his loyal tin foil hat nay sayer following (a different market sector).

He is rich because of his clickbait (usually exaggerated portrayals but sometimes flat out fibs) and not because he is accurate or truthful.

He's a talented entertainment source ... not a reference source. Not a bad thing. With his business model there is more money in clickbait than accurate reporting and he ain't got the looks to be an Only Fans model.
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He speaks common sense. This Presidency is a dumpster fire. Complete 180 from what he campaigned on. JP Sears is pointing out the obvious which resonates with real MAGA and not this Trojan Horse we got.
 
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Beerman said:
March 1, 2026: (How long will this conflict last?). TRUMP: "Well, we intended four to five weeks."

March 7, 2026: TRUMP: "We're winning the war by a lot. We've decimated their whole evil empire. It'll continue, I'm sure, for a little while."


March 11, 2026: TRUMP: "any time I want it to end, it will end."

March 19, 2026: TRUMP: “In literally two weeks, we’ve demolished Iran’s navy and air force. All technology is gone. All communication is gone. All of their leaders are gone.”


And here we are, late August, with no resolution in sight. Trump is not being honest with America about his forever war.
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The lesson learned is the enemy gets a vote. You can destroy all the equipment you want, until the enemy loses the will to fight the conflict you are in will continue.
 
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Steal2B said:
FWIW

JP Sears is worth 12 million dollars because he is a talented comedian who gets high clickbait internet income by pissing people off (one market sector) and by his loyal tin foil hat nay sayer following (a different market sector).

He is rich because of his clickbait (usually exaggerated portrayals but sometimes flat out fibs) and not because he is accurate or truthful.

He's a talented entertainment source ... not a reference source. Not a bad thing. With his business model there is more money in clickbait than accurate reporting and he ain't got the looks to be an Only Fans model.
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I'm not sure why anyone would use JP Sears as a source to try and prove a point. That just never made any sense to me. Credibility is a thing.
 
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