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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    If you think truth is absolute defense for liable or slander , you don’t know the court system. For a non public figure, you would have prove what you said is true . Good luck with that . Unless CPS or other entity convicts them of the crime , you would on the hook even if they did do it ...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    It’s not intentional false, it’s calling for investigation. Big difference. They saw bruises on a child that look like abuse. Should the caller be sued? Add that you are a mandated reporter and if you don’t call , you can be put in jail.
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    So explain more. If someone is protesting and blocking a road, can you arrest them? Or protesters follow someone everywhere to protest them . Can you arrest them ? Is that clear cut. Can a convicted felon be denied from carrying a gun and under what circumstances?
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Yep. And a cop can be sued for all of that too. Qualified immunity doesn’t apply . Hence the word qualified. You really don’t understand what qualified immunity is if you are using those examples as a comparison. Let me give you an example of qualified immunity that you have. If you think a...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Back to that pesky thing of what’s unconstitutional. A cop in 1960 makes an arrest based on a confession and did not read Miranda rights , should he have been sued ? The Miranda case hadn’t gone up to SCOTUS yet. It’s not as clear cut as you think. A protester blocks a road exercising their...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Why doesn’t everyone have it. Because it’s the position of what the job calls for. Why do judges and prosecutors have absolute immunity? Why qualified immunity? Because the cop is being sued for exactly what the law calls for him to do. Without it , the system will grind to a halt . Why doesn’t...
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    ARE YOU SERIOUS?! New Mexico Governor AMENDS Order To Now BAN Carry At Parks & Playgrounds

    Her order is beyond her powers unless the park or playground owned by the state of NM. Nor can she do under health laws.
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Veteran’s credit or preference for a job isn’t an extra right ? Go for a federal job now. If it’s between a veteran and non veteran , even if the veteran much less qualified, the veteran gets unless the other person is already a federal employee. A veteran has special courts just for them if...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Your right . Doctors found a way. They increased their billing , they got out of certain specialties like OB/GYN . And stopped seeing high risk patients . Cops often don’t have the same options but there are some . If you work narcotics, you will be sued more because the drug dealers pay lawyers...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    They are a joke . And I understand what you are saying . I see that I do have the privilege that they only curtailed some of my rights as opposed to all of them . Are there certain privileges that I am granted even if national carry is enacted . There sure are. I can carry in places that the...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    We should . Or at least the equal opportunity. If you don’t go to medical school and get a license, you can’t operate as a doctor . If they said everyone had to meet the police standards and gave the opportunity, then it should be equal as the officers without any doubt. And I don’t agree with...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Yep. But look who was allowed into that meeting -lol
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    And screaming that cops and retired cops get them , so we should take it away from them does not help you reach that goal . Just the opposite. You alienate those of us who are pro -2A and those cops who don’t have strong feelings on the subject . You would have more an effect if you said “me...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Unlike doctors , police officers have to deal with people who sue for things like , they served meatloaf at the jail — a real case. People lie against officers everyday and make up stuff . Doctors tend to have physical evidence and the plaintiffs tend to have actual physical damages . Active...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    And some LE departments are like that . I know of one where the can only carry their service gun on duty. I definitely know of many peace officer positions that can’t carry at all as per their department policy. I knew one where only their sergeants could carry a gun and only changed after 9/11.
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    We can get into definitions of civilian later but your understanding of restrictions isn’t correct . Under NYS law , an active duty military member can carry just about anything. The restrictions on his carrying weapons is primarily from his organization. What is authorized by his chain of...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    It’s really not enough if we were to compete ( sims or real world) against trained opponent group who train together often . I worked in places with that once a year mentality to places that would send us to additional training but not in groups like the military does . Simmuntions training was...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    It depends on the department, unit , etc. I have worked with guys who were originally from the LAPD who think NY departments have puss poor general firearms training . Then go do some of the specialized courses like HITDA, you would get a different impression. The military should have better...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    It was doomed by the not good enough crowd. It wasn’t a guarantee to pass but like any filibuster , it depends on who is fighting it, what bill it’s attached to , and how bad they wanted. HR218 was stalled and threatened by such tactics but it got thru in 2004. The tactics to on such filibusters...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    So this is murder according to you https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-were-the-4-us-citizens-killed-in-drone-strikes/
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    It’s less of defense than explaining the limitations. Can the president order a drone strike on an individual American citizen without a trial or a clear immediate danger to the country or anyone at that time ? A possible violation of the 6th admendment. Do you think the soldiers should have...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    And who interprets it as per the constitution. SCOTUS . They have to make a ruling and enforce it . Even SCOTUS majority decision didn’t go far enough what some here think the 2nd amendment says . Kavanaugh’s concurrent opinion flat out says permit requirements are allowed. Other justices say...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Not really . They don’t care in this case. Who stopped national reciprocity? We had enough votes in one session in congress to overcome the anti -gun groups . It was a small minority of pro gun that killed it because they didn’t want the federal government involved in anyway . But we all suffer...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    I think most LE jumped through more hoops to get what has been granted by these lawmakers . Do you I agree with their restrictions? Hell no but don’t advocate take away from me because they screwed you. They will just screw us both. Why do they give LE and retired LE more leeway on these things...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    It is . Do you think it helps you if they did the same in NY? They will screw over cops and retired cops to get what they want . Go see what happened to retired NY peace officers in the CCIA law. Retired peace officers are not exempt from restricted areas Retired Police officers have to take...
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    LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

    Do you really think that would work huh? Did it work in NJ? The officers there have the same purchase restrictions. The legislature does not care about officers . They throw cops under the bus all the time .
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    Can we CCW in a bar/restaurant in NY Legally?

    That was not my understanding nor was it listed in my CCW law app until CCIA
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    Delays Leave US Navy With Just 31 Ready Attack Submarines

    Some of the issue is the age of our sub fleet. Older subs need more work . The “peace dividend “ under presidents — remember the Romney Obama debates- is coming back to haunt us. They slowed down the building of ships and subs so the fleet is much older than it was in the past . Only 3 sea wolf...
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    WHY BUD LIGHT, TARGET, FORD ETC ARE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESSES INTO THE DIRT

    Hybrids are the most cost effective and cause less damage to the environment than fully electric cars. And they are the most convenient to fuel up if one has a plug in option .
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    BREAKING NEWS: ATF's Frame/Receiver Rule VACATED!!! just happened few minutes ago .. "15"

    I think it was the ATF ruling on polymer 80 kits just by his small mention of polymer 80. But I am not sure .
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    NYC to Crack Down on Wood-Fired Pizza Joints to Reduce Carbon Emissions by Up to 75%

    More regulation to destroy good pizza. Does anyone know why the best pizza tends to be at old pizza places vs newer ones? It’s not the preparation, the cook , or the ingredients although it can be a factor in general. It’s the pizza oven. Old pizza ovens were grandfathered in but the newer ones...
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    Mail-in voting could be coming to New York

    The Republicans should put a “poison pill” in the bill making it apply to the primaries as well as general elections . The democrats won’t do that because they know that the primary challengers will take advantage of it. Why is ID required to vote in the primary but not the general election...
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    "Assault Weapon" ammo ban - Senate Bill S314

    It won’t survive the court challenges even before Bruen. There are federal laws that indirectly conflict with such a state law. The CMP for one.
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    NY Pushing Law to End Life Sentences Regardless of the Crime Committed

    These morons. Not only are real criminals not going to have a fear of the criminal justice system but people will know they can’t get justice from it. And they will seek their own.
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    China would attack American homeland 'massively' if war starts: Gen. Keane

    It could be . Get Biden elected for a second term.
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    China would attack American homeland 'massively' if war starts: Gen. Keane

    China would not attempt to “ invade” as to takeover territory. They would have a campaign of disruption. Cyber attacks along with some kinetic infiltration attacks on inter structure .Get us fighting each other over resources for ourselves and loved one to limit reenforcement of Taiwan. Imagine...
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    And even before the Trump EO, what did they do? They released them into the US— remember photos of the caged immigrants they tried to say was under Trump but was during Obama’s term? It’s similar to how the criminals are let out without cash bail.
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    You implied “ Nazi “
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    Go see the court decisions on the subject. The border patrol are arresting people and they are released into the US by under Biden to return for their court case at a later date, claiming asylum.
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    See how applying your prior statement of painting all cops with the same brush is wrong. And you, as in the general public , will never know who is that Oskar Schindler cop.
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    So Oskar Schindler is on that list in your mind? Just think about it. It’s not as simple as you think.
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    It is a trust issue. What you speak of is rare occurrence. Very rare. Certain units tend to deal with pistol permit issues. And if you volunteer for that unit , you might have a point . But most domestics don’t involve a gun. Or it’s clear that person should be arrested. And in those very rare...
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    Really, you are going to blame the border patrol for the legalization of something? Either by EO or court order? Police don’t make the laws or determine case law. Blame the lawmakers .
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    So again you go to the extremes as if a police officer couldn’t be ordered to shoot somebody. But what if the solider or airman refuses to load a plane with ordinance because it “might “ be used at some point. Now take it further. If you were to be arrested for something, wouldn’t you want that...
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    So if you are in the military then ordered to go a war you don’t believe in, you could just quit. Would you condemn the military members for not quitting ahead of time?
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    Maybe. It depends on the circumstances. Unlike other laws and proposed laws, where the person intentionally breaks the law , this one is different.
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    How often is a cop out in that position ? Not very often if ever. And if put in that position, it’s too late to quit . That cop is now criminally and civilly liable at that point .
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    A-2413, police take temp custody of firearms, on agenda

    Good question. How many German police officers rounded up Jews and how many turned a blind eye? We don’t know. Again let’s use the Oskar Schindler example. If he virtue signaled like you suggest , hundreds of more jews would have been sent to the gas chambers. Hitler purged most of the regular...
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