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Okay, in a SCOTUS court environment that they aren’t watching the case, the appeals court could keep it up for years by finding some small thing in the case and send it back down for the trial court to explore the new issue. They can’t do it in this case. They get three shots at the Apple in...

Do you really want to know? This hearing is just over allowing the law to remain in effect UNTIL the appeal is heard. So , no matter the decision, it’s going to go up for at least one more time no matter what they decide unless they just make a ruling on the appeal itself -which is doubtful.

This is how the court system works. The 2nd is given a chance to get in line . It’s a chain of command type of thing .

It doesn’t work that way. Go look Ip the history of rent control vs rent stabilization Your head will explode.

I think they save such prosecutions for those who “ get out of line” and their friends. Tea party anyone?

It sucks but it was the government that caused the problem. The landlords should be compensated. I would love for it to be taken from the democrats political fund instead but that isn’t going to happen

Quite a few. One major difference is when are they “on duty”. If they are on duty when they get in the car, it’s different than if they commute to work in it. I was referring to unmarked vehicles. Marked vehicles, both police and commercial vehicles are probably treated differently. And the LE...

Not the same. Not considered compensation. Besides the fix is in. None of those people will be touched and probably not even identified.

Not necessarily true. Government employees who have take home cars are often taxed on the commute use of the car to get to work— it’s a big money saver for those who get it. It’s considered taxable compensation in many cases on the individual. It’s the same with other company cars. It’s often in...

If you want to stop this bill, let’s telling we are buying more guns and ammo with it

No. You just don’t have the same roots that keep you from picking up and moving .

Looks like my future lifeboat is getting holes in it

Everyone… shut-up-lol This will make me rich until the government goes either bankrupt or makes it up from in higher taxes. These jerks are trying to buy votes again.

He did by asking them what is their story. He got hooked when they talked back. He should put them on the car until he found out what was going on. That simple. He doesn’t know what they did yet but know they are not the caller, they were involved, reasonable suspicion of a violent crime . They...

O what was the 911 call? That these two were threatening people. What did this detective ask them basically before he lost his cool? What is your side of the story? Then came the insults and attempts by the auditors to control the scene. The detective should had them put them on the car and...

Usually not for most cops but but in some context. Anyone can get “ hooked”. And you know it. How many times have you come from a child who was just raped to someone like this? ( I doubt this detective just did) What was said on the 911 call? What other “ job” did this detective just come from...

Dude, what is the environment you work in? We all do that except sometimes you will be forced to act. Then some people blame the cop for putting the cop in that position . Remember with body cams in departments who actually review all footage, one has less options sometimes. Some departments...

He knocked the phone out of his hand. It didn’t go any further. We would have to look at case law and the entire law of justification to know. But as I said, he was wrong to knock the phone out of his hand. And the prosecution didn’t prosecute, And if these two “auditors” did what they did to...

You are crazy if you think they can be all enforced all the time equally. Nor should they. Example another cop from another site used, if an 80 year old lady whacks her 40 year old grandson with her cane causing a slight bruise , do you think she should be arrested? Let’s use o e closer to your...

Sure, assault was illegal but if it was your wife or child , it was allowed. Both in and out of court. Is spanking your child assault ? That’s the way it was looked at then and even less than 20 years ago unless serious physical injury occurred. By the way, in NYS, the luckluster video is not...

That is incorrect. 1900— a lot of the traffic laws didn’t exist. Criminal law? You could beat your wife, there was no such thing as child abuse by a parent , go look what happened to war protesters then. The police could shake someone down on the regular . And if you were a minority, you didn’t...

There is some truth to that about the number of arrests by about 50% of patrol officers but the other officers made arrests . They also had discretion that they don’t have now like domestic violence and drunk driving weren’t offenses people tended to be arrested for. Do you want to go back to...

Arrests are down . Dramatically down over the last 15 years or so. How the police conducted business 50 years ago was dramatically different too. They would beat the F out of you if you did any of this crap or didn’t do what they said. Then maybe arrest you.

The officer didn’t create the situation. The auditors did and edited the tape. Everyone’s buttons can be pushed from time to time . Everyone . That’s reality. And frankly , some here would not last a year.

Oh, Gawd. First of all. I am explaining legalities to you. Second, it’s how criminals are caught period since the beginning of the country .Have noticed that not only a lot of criminals are being freed but aren’t getting caught in the first place anymore ? There is a reason . They aren’t...

Yes, the videos are often not what the reality of what the “auditor” is claiming . They make money faking what happened or creating a situation.

That’s not what I said. I said some can be the same officer. Also the level of “ wrongness” is also in question on a lot of these “7,000” videos . Highly edited. Even the lackluster video above blows it out of proportion, is highly misleading and edited. The detective was not going to be charged...

Not the child , the officer believed the parent did it when he approached. A child can not be written a summons or arrested if below a certain age

Sure, but we have to judge each complaint separately. Actually I posted the local law. And it does not have I went back and picked it up “ out” as the state law has. It says the judge can make that the punishment in the local law but how to they get before the judge ? They either get arrested...

Technically, it can be. Any ticket/summons written against an individual is an arrest-able offense. It is frown upon but completely legal and is often done does not have or will not present identification.

I will say two academies and multiple degrees is not why I respect you opinion. I have that and more. It’s the experience I respect. But I don’t know your actual experience. I have dealt with a lot of educated people in certain areas of so called law enforcement who didn’t know squat. I am...

Let’s start with this BS. Attempted to he had them on a traffic stop. He initialed a “ stop”— pulling him over also refers to a stop— “ he called that people were making threats “— a crime . It’s reasonable suspicion of a crime . And words like “ uncontrollable rage”. He moved the suspect from a...

Not really if you compare the videos where the officer was actually wrong as opposed to what the video person claims— they often lie more often than not, especially those “ auditors” as to what happened or to what is the law. But compare those videos to the number of interactions police have ...

The vast majority ( approximately 90%) are proven to be unfounded ( ie BS). This includes video , either by the complainant, dash cam or body cam. This includes cop hating all civilian review boards .

Again, most of those videos are edited and often the commentator doesn’t know the law as well as they pretend to— like the audit the audit channel is often wrong. They make a lot of false accusations and often misapply the law. And your math doesn’t compute to reality either. 7000 videos can...

Correct. Absolutely. But we are talking the legalities and not how the officer should use his discretion . If someone told me they are a CCW ( ie armed) on a simple traffic stop, it’s not a big deal. But legally I could have disarmed them during the stop. And I probably would have if I was the...

And traffic stops and stops for the small stuff is how major criminals get caught. And officer safety is a balance of that and doing enforcement.

I was correct on that one. Ammo cans are reasonable suspicion at a minimum that there is ammo in them if not probable cause. And was there ammo inside? I am discussing legalities here. It’s that simple . Yes ammo cans can be used for other things, but it’s still created probable cause there is...

Actually, that’s what the officer believed he was doing. And it’s possible he was . If the officer disarmed him, he would be alive today. Instead the officer , despite suspecting him of being the armed robber in the picture, said no problem if you don’t reach for it. Castillo hand was reaching...

No you don’t get it. Not that you can just mail the ticket either And here is the photo of Castillo body . Look where his hand is https://deadstate.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/castile-.jpg And here is the article of the court case...

Look at the photo. The car stop was initiated near the robbery location but on a different day based on that photo . Not just description. Did you get the hint that they stopped looking for the robbery suspect in general, for some reason. Not just that day. Do you get the hint ?

Philando Castile does come to mind . However that is not a good example. He was an armed robbery suspect . . He had his gun on his lap next to his wallet and was reaching for his wallet despite the officer telling him not to move at that point. I don’t have the photo of the body but his...

I am expressing what can be done legally . I doubt Goperfect is going to do the same thing if he pulled over a bunch of people who are gangbangers or have “ what do we want, dead cops” bumper stickers . Let them remain armed as he attempts to run a computer check of their names for warrants and...

You are completely wrong. If the officer has detained someone on probable cause of any infraction or reasonable suspicion of a crime , they can disarm thst person . Heck, they can even put that person in handcuffs .. And it’s completely constitutional. The constitution protects against “...

Fear some of them, sure. Most of them no. Ask yourself, how many times have you been in the emergency room as a patient ( both major and minor) in a year. How many times have you been shot at? Or someone tried to stab, punch , etc you in a yesr. How many murder, robbery , burglary , or rape...

Oh, it is for your safety too. If the officer has that gun, he doesn’t have to worry about you doing something with it. Can you think of instance where a CCW was shot by a cop? I can.

The quote is from state law 39-14-502. Offense of littering. TN - Tennessee Code AnnotatedTenn. Code Ann. § 39-14-502 Title 39 Criminal Offenses > Chapter 14 Offenses Against Property > Part 5 Litter Control > 39-14-502. Offense of littering. (a) A person commits littering who: (1)...

During a stop. A person is in custody. He is not free to leave. If the cop gives back the gun with the ID. No issues with me. Fake CCW permits as well as fake LE ID are out there .

Glad I said to apply our laws and other places . But us that’s state law? What’s the local law?

It depends . If you have done car stops, you know that feeling that there might be something bigger at play. And they often do. It’s the officer decretion. It can happen to off duty/out of town LE too