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  1. spat

    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    It's a free country, you can be as wrong as you want.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Everybody knew. It was not a secret. Vela incident - Wikipedia Vela incident - Wikipedia The instant any nuclear weapon is detonated anywhere on earth it's exact location and characteristics are known. The only way to have a secret nuclear program would be to somehow keep a major industry...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    That would be the end of whoever did it, and everyone knows that. Nobody is going to give a nuclear weapon to anyone they even suspect might use it. Knowledge, sure. Equipment to refine your own, sure. But never any actual nuclear material let alone a bomb. Imagine what happens if Iran or...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    We could hold them off indefinitely, but it would take a fresh midnight hammer every 6 months to a year. They would just wait it out until there is an administration that doesn't have the balls to do that. They'd get another democrat to sent them a plane load of cash in exchange for pinky...
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    I think it will be open well before 6 months, but I acknowledge that there is a possibility it might not. But even that is a long way from what Russia has sunk into in Ukraine. To make a clear date for "open" we would need to establish an agreed definition of what "open" means. Iran already...
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    That's certainly a major factor, but i think the immediate cause was Biden announcing he would follow Obama's policy from Crimea, which is to say do nothing substantial about it.
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    I don't think Biden could *find* his ass with both hands and a map.
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    The Ukraine situation can be directly traced to Biden all but giving Putin permission to invade at a press conference just a couple weeks before he rolled across the border. On Feb 15th he held a press conference where he was quite clear that the only consequences Russia would face would be...
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    Are you seriously claiming this is a permanent situation ? You think the strait will still be closed in 6 months ? If gas is back under $3 by the end of the year are you prepared to admit you are wrong about Trump ?
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    Europe in Chaos

    Tying your fate to Africa is like lashing your lifeboat to the railing on the Titanic.
  11. spat

    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    And what wasn't true about that ? The enrichment facilities *were* destroyed. But they would be rebuilt within a couple years and we'd have to do it again. Everyone understood that. Go look back at the posts here about the midnight hammer strikes from a year ago. I believe I said we would...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    What did Trump *actually* say it destroyed ? And what does "destroyed their program" mean ? Midnight hammer was about as successful as it could be. It destroyed their enrichment facilities and probably set them back a couple years. But, that's not "the program". Nothing short of regime...
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    Political Picture thread. (humor/memes/etc)

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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    I think they *had* ICBMs. They fired a couple at Diego Garcia that proved to have enough range to hit most of Europe. But, what do you think they would have done with the nukes once they developed them ? Imagine their current tantrum, but with nukes. They have attacked most of the rest of...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    He was suckered, but not by the people claiming he had WMDs. He was suckered by the people claiming he didn't. So, basic questions. Do you think Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapon and an ICBM ? What do you think they would *do* with those if they were allowed to get them ?
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Just because you make deals doesn't make them not enemies. We made lots of deals with Stalin. And every armistice ever was technically a deal with an enemy. When this Iran thing ends, it will be via a deal of some sort.
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    Cherry pick data much ? Gas prices always rise in the summer, people drive more. At this same point in the Biden administration (may-june of 2022) gas was about $5. Nobody is arguing that the Iran situation isn't causing a temporary increase. Obviously it is. But only the intellectually...
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    Which tells you all you need to know about how successful the propaganda is. That they have been able to dupe people into thinking that 4% inflation under Trump is worse than 10% inflation under Biden. Congratulations, you've proven that most people are idiots.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    What you say isn't wrong. But that doesn't mean you can ignore threats either. We tried isolationism twice last century, it didn't work out very well for anyone, twice. Then we decided the world needed a policeman, and we've had the most peaceful 75 years in human history. You *sure* you...
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    THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....

    God, it hasn't been this bad since... The Biden administration. You have really been successfully propagandized when you complain how much worse things are under the current administration by quoting numbers that show them better than the last one. “It appeared that there had even been...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    In 2000 there were 3 regimes Bush branded as the "axis of evil". Say what you want about the Bushes, he was right about them. We tried the bribery and appeasement game with North Korea. We tried the regime change game with Iraq. Guess which one got nukes. So, which strategy makes sense to...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Hamas, the Houthis, and Hezzhollah are all *directly* controlled and funded by the IRGC. To the point where Iran complained that Isreali strikes on Hezzbollah were a violation of their cease fire with Iran LOL. But, go ahead, and find a 5 year period anywhere in the last 40 years when Iran or...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Their official policy for 45 years has been "death to America". They have *continuously* been behind violent attacks on Americans since then. That makes them *our* enemies.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    And some would be all for Iran getting the nuclear weapons they crave because that's "only fair". They DGAF that Iran is holding a critical international water way hostage, and is responsible for most of the violence in the middle east. They can completely be trusted with ICBMs and nukes.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Pretty sure the ceasefire was because we ran out of targets. We don't really want to hit stuff that will hurt the civilian population, even if it is legitimate dual use facilities like power plants. So, I think we're just waiting for enough military only targets to resurface before we hit them...
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    Political Picture thread. (humor/memes/etc)

    So they even stole the asphalt ? Something doesn't look right there.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Really enjoying that Tesla now. Had a buddy in town last week, we drove all over the place. Probably 1000 miles if you add it all up. I don't even know what gas costs out here. The only green I care about is in my wallet, but I can tell you that car is *very* good for that.
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    Our Ongoing Slide into a Police State

    Someone should tell the meth heads how much copper is in those cameras...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Do you honestly think no US soldier has ever done something like that with a statue of the Virgin Mary? I bet if you comb tictok you could find some private dry humping one.
  30. spat

    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    That has been going on for 50 years. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. If you're surprised by it at this point that's on you.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    It doesn't say us contracted ship. It says a ship under US sanctions. Sounds like if they didn't intercept it we would have.
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    Texas father shoots a car jacker to save his family

    The pizzas did not make it to the car. The guy who paid at the counter took off running with one box. Box in one hand and eating a slice with the other. A chase ensued, i'm not sure what happened to the other box, but in the end I'm pretty sure everyone got 2 slices and most ended up running...
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    Political Picture thread. (humor/memes/etc)

    "Follow the science" "NOT THAT SCIENCE !!!" It's amazing how often they think you can have "science" without any actual data.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    The discussion was about the stock market. 60% of Americans have the vast majority of their retirement tied up in the stock market. So it is very important to them. Even if gas and eggs get expensive, that doesn't suddenly mean they stop caring about their retirement funds. Any way you slice...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    The ones with their retirement tied up in the stock market ?
  36. spat

    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    If 60% of Americans have a retirement account, then 60% of them have a direct interest in the stock market. The price of groceries and gas doesn't factor into that at all.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    About 60% of the US has stock in a retirement account (401k or similar). For the majority of people the stock market *is* main street. It's not just "the rich".
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    Texas father shoots a car jacker to save his family

    In high-school I participated in a pizza run with 9 guys in a Chevette. We pooled some money and ordered a couple pizzas from the local pizza hut. Then the guy who owned the Chevette was going to pick it up, and someone said "if he goes alone half of it will be gone before he gets back"...
  39. spat

    Looks like yet another instance of some serious black on black crime. A cancer upon good in society. Mass family shooting in SHREVEPORT, La.

    It's an inevitable consequence of the left wing racism of low expectations. If you treat people like they're animals who just can't help it, they will act the part. If you treat them like equals, and hold them to the same standards, then they will become productive members of society. If you...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    Maybe to you. To the rest of us it looks like it's all in your imagination.
  41. spat

    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    How do you figure that our situation is worse ?
  42. spat

    DOJ: Supreme Court Will Legalize AR-15s

    Unless they make state officials personally responsible for violating the 2A it won't matter what else they do. It needs to be a direct tort with no immunity available for anyone. Violating someone's 2A rights *should* be legally recognized as a clear and present threat of deadly force, and...
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    Europe in Chaos

    And the left laughed at us when we said "death panels". OfC they laughed when Trump told NATO to prepare for Russia to get aggressive again during his first term too.
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    But right now we are shipping tons of our oil to Europe and Asia to make up for their shortfall from the middle east. It's a great deal for the US as a whole, we're selling tons of oil and at a premium price. But that does show why being self sufficient is not enough to insulate you from price...
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    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    That's what we did with the stuff left after the fall of the Soviet union.
  46. spat

    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    The only way to destroy enriched uranium would be to mix it with depleted uranium back down to a natural level.. Just burying it under a mountain as a pile of dust doesn't destroy it, you can dig it back up and extract it from the dirt much more easily than you can enrich more. It's true, that...
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    Political Picture thread. (humor/memes/etc)

    Correction. He is doing what the deep state wants, not the democrats. You need to understand who is really pulling the strings. Not all deep state puppets are Democrats, and the deep state is telling their minions what to do, not the other way around. That's what makes it the deep state.
  48. spat

    US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

    We will see how this works out. But I see any outcome where Iran loses their enriched Uranium as a win. That's the whole point of the endeavor. If there is a friendly regime in place in Tehran at the end, that's just a bonus. We've already effected a regime change I think twice, just...
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