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What has happened to the 2nd Amendment is EXACTLY why I cant get behind any laws that diminish my rights or freedoms. When you willingly give the govt the authority to have an inch, they will ABSOLUTELY take a mile. This famous quote from Ben Franklin describes how I see this. Those who would...

Appreciate the response, I think part of my issue is that no matter what system we come up with their will be a work around and the good people are still stuck with even more restrictions on our rights. I have very little trust in our govt, i feel it is far too corrupt to earn my trust. In...

I shouldnt need id to exercise my rights. But can you make an argument why I should?

I dont want people voting illegally. But I am having a hard time getting behind voter id laws. I despise gun permits of any kind, and my struggle is with having another one of my rights restricted by requiring an id. Can someone make an argument that the government mandating more reasons to...

Exactly.

I would tend to agree with this. In the case the thread was started about the guy removed the locking feature before committing a crime, and the case is a civil matter because of their poor wording on the packaging. This is not to say that someone would not be arrested and charged with...

No one here would say that the unsafe act is Constitutional, or that the black robed activists wont do the bidding of the anti gunners, but I dont see how this can be used against fixed mag solutions in criminal cases. I dont doubt they would try, but the law does not seem vague on this aspect...

Thank goodness the gubmint is keeping us safe. I am so tired of criminals going on shooting sprees with their fixed mags with a whole 10 rounds.

Of course, they dont want to have to enforce the law against 99% of all law makers.

I wont support a dictator even for my own benefit. Not saying we have one, but if things went that far i would not support it.

They meant "The EVIL Empire State", right?

When is it really tyranny and not a temper tantrum that things arent going your way? All politicians keep taking our freedoms, and they have figured out how to do it and get away with it. If its just a temper tantrum, like the left is having, then you have big trouble coming if you try...

The media and the globalists took a hard left turn during the obozo years and they kept on with that direction. Its created a larger divide, and in turn its pushed some on the right further to the right in an attempt to counter the radical left. Its all by design to keep us divided and to...

I get that, but I'll be honest, for me it's not good enough. And I dont expect it to go all our way, but throwing us some useless scraps isnt doing anything to restore our rights. Whats changed for us in Ny? NOTHING! Even going back to when he was in support of the bump stock ban, I wasn't...

We all know his admin is better than the alternative, but it doesnt mean they are friendly to the 2a and we need to guard against the wolf in sheeps clothing. We are seeing their true colors come out more since the Pretti shooting. https://youtube.com/shorts/YY9mGEpNBmU?si=U0dYkXqAbrYxlLWT...

I fully understand that, and the left created this mess and forced the right to come up with a solution. But I do think there needs to be a better way to deal with the varying levels of criminality.

This is a point I can't imagine anybody would disagree with. Also just saw this clip. And regardless of anything I respect and appreciate what this guy is saying in regards to the second amendment. https://youtube.com/shorts/bgbcr72ir1A?si=XXYPLOawk5gESzjy

As a participant and an observer in this discussion I see a lot of talking past each other. There are several different aspects to the situation that people are debating about and even I was myself. One, was the shooting justified based on the information we have currently? While the outcome...

Thats what Ive gathered from this as well.

I don't disagree that if you fight with law enforcement while armed you are absolutely increasing your risks of being killed. No doubt about that. I still think that mistakes were made by the ICE agents, and Petti in this specific situation, and that he didnt need to be shot to be dealt with...

True, local LE should absolutely be cooperating. If they were there would be much less chaos, but the mayor/governor want chaos to use as ammo against the right. I dont like the paid protestors, agitators, etc... i do support the right for people to peacefully protest, and i strongly support...

I hear that, it would be to their benefit more than anyones, imo.

I think standardized uniforms, and body cams should be standard.

Agreed, this doesnt help our side. She is a grifting, inbred POS! She should have her credentials stripped and be deported for her criminal acts. I pray she is held to account for her crimes involving defrauding the govt, stealing tax payer money, and who knows what else that allowed her to...

What are your thoughts on the anti 2a retoric coming from Kristi Noem, Kash Patel, and President Trump? Regardless of what anyone thinks of Pretti, he absolutely had the right to carry, and carry spare mags. The fact that they are painting this situation that he came to inflict "maximum...

100% wrong on that.

Really, is that what youre looking to do here? I could dig around online and find cases where US citizens have had their rights violated by ICE agents just to prove a point, but thats not my intention here. I dont like the paid protestors/rioters any more than you or any other rational person...

Same here, it hasnt. But whats to say it wont. I want our domestic enemies to have the same rights we do, because if they are taken from them, they will be from us. And just to be clear, i dont support interfering with LE operations, violent rioting, etc... I dont support jack booted thugs...

Im looking at this very objectively. Too many people are blindly support ICE as if they are infallible. If the left was in power, and they sent out agents of the govt to quell protests from the right, and they started using heavy handed tactics would you push back or accept it?

Its a bad situation all around, and I think its being handled poorly on both sides. We have lefty politicians saying people can use stand your ground laws against ICE, and you have heavy handled, masked agents running around on defcon 1. Its a recipe for bad things to happen.

I get that, and maybe it doesnt in this situation, but this leads to a culture of inexperience, and potentially untrained behaviors that can escalate situations rather than de escalating.

Its amazing how many people start blaming him for carrying, and blindly support ICE without questioning. Just because most of these protesters are politically opposed to most of us doesnt mean we should blindly support ICEs behavior in dealing with them. With the massive hiring push, they are...

Seriously? There were 5 or 6 of these guys beating the hell out of him. I think it would be natural to at least somewhat defend yourself. They just shoved a woman to the ground and he was trying to help her up when the jumped on him. I dont see how they can justify shooting him, but lets see...

At face value this does not look good. If they killed a guy unjustly then i hope the people get justice. Ill wait until more info is available to make a final judgement.

Besides not being qualified to sit on the SC, she must be bought and paid for to make such an insane statement.

Wow, erosion of freedom at its finest, but all those increases taxes are nuts. And whats crazier is people actually votes for this.

Yeah, but its a problem, on both sides.

My opinion of limiting police powers vs genuinely peaceful protesters is not the same as whats happening now. Having the police stand down and not assist federal agents, along with sanctuary policies is only contributing to more violence. Heavy handed/bullies with badges also make things...

Lol, it wont, but its my own moral com0ass i suppose.

I get it, but if i have to lean one way or the other i will lean toward limiting police powers, rather than increasing them. Imagine the left was in power, and we wanted to protest them. What restraints would you want in place to protect your right to protest?

At face value I agree with this. It seems the order is specifically for PEACEFUL protesters. I dont want LE to be able to use any kind of force on peaceful protesters, or to detain them in any way. Violent protesters/rioters is another ball game.

This kind or rhetoric is what WILL cause violence. Politicians really need to stop stoking the flames of civil war.

Just when that annoying jingle was no longer in my memory bank you dug it up.. ;)

Just goes to show how fucked we are. Its like banning machine guns. Make them impossible to own for most people, then, when they are uncommon, say they should be banned because they are not in common use.

So, if selling a handgun, we can now ship ourselves directly to an FFL via USPS?

Its absurd, the tyrants in NY are out of their damn minds! This is why we need national reciprocity, even though I am against the permitting scheme they govt has established, once you have a permit you should not need another one.

Good for the people. I wish them luck. Where are all the protesters in the US to denounce the killing of thousands of protesters? Oh, thats right, Soros isnt paying them to protest the Iranian regime so all is quiet.

Useful idiots. So many people in this world are useful idiots. Easily manipulated by lying politicians and the msm. Then they behave recklessly and get themselves killed which only makes the politicians and msm lie even more. When are politicians and the msm going to be held accountable for...

Lol, at 58 seconds that fucking clown was out on his feet! Im so glad he started dropping those clowns. That guy with the bull horn in his ear needed a beating.

Everytime i have filled out a 4473 they call it in. During that phone your name, address, Ss (if provided) and type of gun has been provided to the person over the phone. And as was always suspected, that information is being retained, even though its not supposed to be.