FCC bans sale of new model routers made outside the US

[SonOfSun]

The FCC Just Banned the Sale of New Wi-Fi Router Models Made Outside US

The surprising order means any new Wi-Fi router models sold in the country must be US-made, or receive an exemption from the Pentagon or Homeland Security Department.

www.pcmag.com

No more new routers made outside the US unless they get "authorization". I bet there is going to be a few more million dollar "guests" at the next Mar-a-lago dinner. It's all a grift.

 

[C3D]

The FCC Just Banned the Sale of New Wi-Fi Router Models Made Outside US

The surprising order means any new Wi-Fi router models sold in the country must be US-made, or receive an exemption from the Pentagon or Homeland Security Department.

www.pcmag.com

No more new routers made outside the US unless they get "authorization". I bet there is going to be a few more million dollar "guests" at the next Mar-a-lago dinner. It's all a grift.

A grift? Our intelligence folks have been screaming for years that every piece of Chinese comms equipment is rife with backdoors. Hell they found Chinese backdoors on the crane control software in Long Beach Harbor.

A look inside the Chinese cyber threat at the biggest ports in US

When it comes to the threat of Chinese surveillance at U.S. ports, the view of the Biden administration and ports management don't line up.

www.cnbc.com

 

[SonOfSun]

A grift? Our intelligence folks have been screaming for years that every piece of Chinese comms equipment is rife with backdoors. Hell they found Chinese backdoors on the crane control software in Long Beach Harbor.

A look inside the Chinese cyber threat at the biggest ports in US

When it comes to the threat of Chinese surveillance at U.S. ports, the view of the Biden administration and ports management don't line up.

www.cnbc.com

Even if that's the case, why not just Chinese routers then? If they made the case about Chinese routers that would be one thing

It's a grift because it's carte blanche without any proof of issue against ALL routers from the entire globe. I'm sure with some million dollar dinner tickets at Trump resort that the buyers of those tickets will find their wares approved.

 

[Celt]

At face value I don't see a problem with this. It will be good for American companies and it will keep foreign spyware out of our systems. Unless I'm missing something.

 

[C3D]

Even if that's the case, why not just Chinese routers then? If they made the case about Chinese routers that would be one thing

It's a grift because it's carte blanche without any proof of issue against ALL routers from the entire globe. I'm sure with some million dollar dinner tickets at Trump resort that the buyers of those tickets will find their wares approved.

Because there's no such thing as a non-Chinese non-US router. Everything uses at least some chips produced only in the US, China or Taiwan. The new FCC directive accounts for this because it allows sales of foreign routers that have been approved (presumably no China chips).

 

[Tisto]

Even if that's the case, why not just Chinese routers then? If they made the case about Chinese routers that would be one thing

It's a grift because it's carte blanche without any proof of issue against ALL routers from the entire globe. I'm sure with some million dollar dinner tickets at Trump resort that the buyers of those tickets will find their wares approved.

Because China is famous for putting "Made in Indonesia" or Made in Malaysia" or "Made in Mexico" stickers on things.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Even if that's the case, why not just Chinese routers then? If they made the case about Chinese routers that would be one thing

It's a grift because it's carte blanche without any proof of issue against ALL routers from the entire globe. I'm sure with some million dollar dinner tickets at Trump resort that the buyers of those tickets will find their wares approved.

It's the components.
Just because the router didn't come from China doesn't mean components didn't that can be compromised with vulnerabilities.

Look what mossad did with pagers. Same concept.

 

[spat]

Even if that's the case, why not just Chinese routers then? If they made the case about Chinese routers that would be one thing

It's a grift because it's carte blanche without any proof of issue against ALL routers from the entire globe. I'm sure with some million dollar dinner tickets at Trump resort that the buyers of those tickets will find their wares approved.

Because literally everyone else (and even probably half the domestic manufacturers is still using parts from China.

Do a search for "chinese backdoor" and they're probably the only nationality out there where the first page is all hacking and not porn.

Some of it is insidious.

Malicious Component Found On Server Motherboards Supplied To Numerous Companies | Hackaday Malicious Component Found On Server Motherboards Supplied To Numerous Companies

 

[Bigfoot]

TDS has gotten to be so old and stale at this point.
I have witnessed it consume even otherwise intelligent people.

As always, Orange Man Bad Herp Derp.

 

[Zerex]

China is like a rotten septic tank.

 

[SonOfSun]

Because literally everyone else (and even probably half the domestic manufacturers is still using parts from China.

Do a search for "chinese backdoor" and they're probably the only nationality out there where the first page is all hacking and not porn.

Some of it is insidious.

Malicious Component Found On Server Motherboards Supplied To Numerous Companies | Hackaday Malicious Component Found On Server Motherboards Supplied To Numerous Companies

From the article: This morning Bloomberg is reporting a bombshell for hardware security. Companies like Amazon and Apple have found a malicious chip on their server motherboards. These are not counterfeit chips. They are not part of the motherboard design. These were added by the factory at the time of manufacture.


This has nothing to do with chips sourced from China. This has to do with the manufacturer adding stuff on the final product that was never part of the design.

Like I said above. If China is an issue, ban China, not the entire globe. Why should stuff like Mikrotik (based and mostly made in Latvia/VN) be banned?

 

[Cavalry]

I wonder how much stock the big box stores have to tide them over while they companies get approval? What is the approval process and how long does it take.
Since the US government can now dictate whats approved or not, what stops them from mandating a backdoor for their own use for "our safety"

 

[Defilade]

Spyware is in everything unfortunately. And they sell that info to 3rd parties. They just want to monopolize on it.

 

[dwa12479]

Even if that's the case, why not just Chinese routers then? If they made the case about Chinese routers that would be one thing

It's a grift because it's carte blanche without any proof of issue against ALL routers from the entire globe. I'm sure with some million dollar dinner tickets at Trump resort that the buyers of those tickets will find their wares approved.

Why so racist?

 

[SonOfSun]

Why so racist?

Chinese isn't a race.

 

[spat]

From the article: This morning Bloomberg is reporting a bombshell for hardware security. Companies like Amazon and Apple have found a malicious chip on their server motherboards. These are not counterfeit chips. They are not part of the motherboard design. These were added by the factory at the time of manufacture.


This has nothing to do with chips sourced from China. This has to do with the manufacturer adding stuff on the final product that was never part of the design.

Like I said above. If China is an issue, ban China, not the entire globe. Why should stuff like Mikrotik (based and mostly made in Latvia/VN) be banned?

Those were supermicro motherboards assembled in China.

They were designed in the US by a US company that outsourced the assembly to China. China made the boards to look identical to the design, but added that back door in a way you can't find it without very sophisticated disassembly of the board.

That was the model that Amazon was using in their data centers, so China just added a backdoor to *all* of them, so the ones that ended up in the data center would have it.

If you chose that same model board for your new gaming rig, you got a free back door too.

My point was you would need to secure the entire production chain, not just the final point of assembly. This doesn't go far enough to actually matter.

 

[SonOfSun]

Those were supermicro motherboards assembled in China.

They were designed in the US by a US company that outsourced the assembly to China. China made the boards to look identical to the design, but added that back door in a way you can't find it without very sophisticated disassembly of the board.

That was the model that Amazon was using in their data centers, so China just added a backdoor to *all* of them, so the ones that ended up in the data center would have it.

If you chose that same model board for your new gaming rig, you got a free back door too.

My point was you would need to secure the entire production chain, not just the final point of assembly. This doesn't go far enough to actually matter.

Yeah, we agree there. That's what I meant by added by the manufacturer. Added out of submitted design by the company actually putting the parts on the circuit board, ie. the manufacturer of the board.

Still, ban China, not the rest of the globe as a mass. I also don't really trust the US government either. I'm sure the top brass in the US is muttering to themselves, "China spying on Americans? That's our fucking job!"

 

[fresch]

I have yet, other than the slave labor, to figure out why anyone would buy from their enemy.
Ya, I know we "thought" we could overturn communism with the introduction of capitalism and make a buck.

 

[spat]

Yeah, we agree there. That's what I meant by added by the manufacturer. Added out of submitted design by the company actually putting the parts on the circuit board, ie. the manufacturer of the board.

Still, ban China, not the rest of the globe as a mass. I also don't really trust the US government either. I'm sure the top brass in the US is muttering to themselves, "China spying on Americans? That's our fucking job!"

You're not wrong, but I think limiting the ban to China is going the wrong direction.

I think they should expand the ban to anyone who can't certify a fully domestic supply chain.

 

[dwa12479]

Chinese isn't a race.

According to the leftists it is.

Islam too.

 

[SonOfSun]

According to the leftists it is.

Islam too.

Yeah, well they think women have dicks too, so.....

 

[Phazer]

At face value I don't see a problem with this. It will be good for American companies and it will keep foreign spyware out of our systems. Unless I'm missing something.

Maybe we only want routers with domestic agency back doors?

 

[Celt]

Maybe we only want routers with domestic agency back doors?

Too late for all that. Pandoras box has already been opened. I dont trust our own govt with anything, but i trust foreign govts even less.

 

[Robin]

My old Porter-Cable still works like a champ, but I'm liking my DeWalt mini more and more.
Robin

 

[SonOfSun]

Too late for all that. Pandoras box has already been opened. I dont trust our own govt with anything, but i trust foreign govts even less.

I wouldn't say I trust any government. That being said, from a purely selfish point of view I'd rather China have my info than the US govt. Mainly because I'm under legal jurisdiction of the US. I'm not doing anything wrong, but one government could decide to just prosecute/arrest me, the other one can't. The US govt. has shown in the past sometimes it just likes to take people for a ride because you got on their bad side, even without doing anything illegal.

 

[spat]

I wouldn't say I trust any government. That being said, from a purely selfish point of view I'd rather China have my info than the US govt. Mainly because I'm under legal jurisdiction of the US. I'm not doing anything wrong, but one government could decide to just prosecute/arrest me, the other one can't. The US govt. has shown in the past sometimes it just likes to take people for a ride because you got on their bad side, even without doing anything illegal.

As bad as the US government is, China is *far* worse.