New bail law
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pjzwtl
.308 Win
It’s a generational thing with his line. His existence on this earth is proof enough.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
This no cash bail is BS. They won’t show up.
GTN
.308 Win
No cash for tolls, No cash for bail. Everything electronic so they can track you
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Cuomo and the progressive Demoncrat phonie SJWs are pandering, and no good can come of this since DAs already agree to no bail routinely when appropriate and Judges ROR all the time. The defense attorney, DA, and Judge on each specific case have far better insight to appropriately administering bail than a blind ass SJW fraud gimmic.
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C3D
.338 Win Mag
They don't show up even when they post bail, so what do we care? If you're arrested on a violent crime, you probably shouldn't get released whether or not you pay bail.
But it's a trap for Cuomo. He will get blamed every time some thug is released on no bail and then rapes a schoolteacher.
But it's a trap for Cuomo. He will get blamed every time some thug is released on no bail and then rapes a schoolteacher.
Twogunwilly
6.5 Creedmoor
professional courtesy
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Exactly my thoughts. No punishment for kids anymore under 18, no cash bail, legalize weed, allow heroin injection sights, let gang members and drug dealers walk and we wonder why the crime rate is going up. It’s all the democrats.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So, is this going to help or hurt the careers of aspiring bounty hunters?
If cumhole wants it I don't. Nothing he does is for anyone's benefit but his own.
GTN
.308 Win
As s father that had to bail out their drunk daughter they told me cash or charge is good. I didn’t have $500 cash at 4am so I used a charge card. They tacked on a $100 processing fee that I didn’t get back with the rest of the bail money. It’s all about how can como make $
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Any crime that is only a financial penalty isn't a real crime but a taxation, nothing more then a state instituted cash grab. Real crimes doesn't deserve bonds.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Oneida City Police Benevolent Association - PBA
As of January 1st - the list of laws one WONT get held on bail for in New York!!
(Which basically means that the police will only be allowed to give them a ticket, &/or a Judge will only be allowed to release them instead of sending them to jail in lieu of bail/bond)
Source: the District Attorneys Association of the State of New York
Assault in the third degree
Aggravated vehicular assault
Aggravated assault upon a person less than eleven years old
Criminally negligent homicide
Aggravated vehicular homicide
Manslaughter in the second degree
Unlawful imprisonment in the first degree
Coercion in the first degree
Arson in the third and fourth degree
Grand larceny in the first degree
Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds or criminal possession of a firearm
Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the first and second degree
Criminal sale of a controlled substance in the first and second degree
Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near school grounds
Specified felony drug offenses involving the use of children, including the use of a child to commit a controlled substance offense and criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
Criminal solicitation in the first degree and criminal facilitation in the first degree
Money laundering in support of terrorism in the third and fourth degree
Making a terroristic threat
Patronizing a person for prostitution in a school zone
Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
Possessing an obscene sexual performance by a child
Promoting a sexual performance by a child
Failure to register as a sex offender
Obstructing governmental administration in the first and second degree
Obstructing governmental administration by means of a self-defense spray device
Bribery in the first degree
Bribe giving for public office
Bribe receiving in the first degree
Promoting prison contraband in the first and second degree
Resisting arrest
Hindering prosecution
Tampering with a juror and tampering with physical evidence
Aggravated harassment in the first degree
Directing a laser at an aircraft in the first degree
Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree
Criminal sale of a firearm to a minor
Enterprise corruption and money laundering in the first degree
Aggravated cruelty to animals, overdriving, torturing and injuring animals
Failure to provide proper sustenance
Animal fighting
As of January 1st - the list of laws one WONT get held on bail for in New York!!
(Which basically means that the police will only be allowed to give them a ticket, &/or a Judge will only be allowed to release them instead of sending them to jail in lieu of bail/bond)
Source: the District Attorneys Association of the State of New York
Assault in the third degree
Aggravated vehicular assault
Aggravated assault upon a person less than eleven years old
Criminally negligent homicide
Aggravated vehicular homicide
Manslaughter in the second degree
Unlawful imprisonment in the first degree
Coercion in the first degree
Arson in the third and fourth degree
Grand larceny in the first degree
Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds or criminal possession of a firearm
Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the first and second degree
Criminal sale of a controlled substance in the first and second degree
Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near school grounds
Specified felony drug offenses involving the use of children, including the use of a child to commit a controlled substance offense and criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
Criminal solicitation in the first degree and criminal facilitation in the first degree
Money laundering in support of terrorism in the third and fourth degree
Making a terroristic threat
Patronizing a person for prostitution in a school zone
Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
Possessing an obscene sexual performance by a child
Promoting a sexual performance by a child
Failure to register as a sex offender
Obstructing governmental administration in the first and second degree
Obstructing governmental administration by means of a self-defense spray device
Bribery in the first degree
Bribe giving for public office
Bribe receiving in the first degree
Promoting prison contraband in the first and second degree
Resisting arrest
Hindering prosecution
Tampering with a juror and tampering with physical evidence
Aggravated harassment in the first degree
Directing a laser at an aircraft in the first degree
Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree
Criminal sale of a firearm to a minor
Enterprise corruption and money laundering in the first degree
Aggravated cruelty to animals, overdriving, torturing and injuring animals
Failure to provide proper sustenance
Animal fighting
So, I actually have a lot of thoughts about this.
I understand some of the reasons why the Left decided to pass this law.
Bail, in their eyes is unfair. The reason is simple; they say that whites can afford bail, non-whites cannot. Two people get arrested by the same department for the exact same crime. Both arrested have clean records. Both live in the same community, one is black and one is white. They are both given a bail amount of $5000 cash or bond. They say more cases than not, the white guy will bail out whereas the black guy cannot. White guy is out, free while the non-white is stuck in jail until his court day/trial. They, the Haters on the left, say this is unfair.
As for the youths, under 18, they really believe they are doing a great justice for these young lads. Youngers/minors going to jail do nothing to help the little ones.
These people do not live in or understand real world.
One thing I think that will be positive; the costs to hold these turds in jail will decrease. Will it be a long term savings in the long run? Only time will tell.
As for these mutts showing up or not showing up for their court cases? I would guess that the majority will not show up, warrants will be placed out and tie up many officers to serve and hunt down those that should have shown up.
Time will tell, I think it will be a failure. Maybe I will be wrong. Doubt it!
I understand some of the reasons why the Left decided to pass this law.
Bail, in their eyes is unfair. The reason is simple; they say that whites can afford bail, non-whites cannot. Two people get arrested by the same department for the exact same crime. Both arrested have clean records. Both live in the same community, one is black and one is white. They are both given a bail amount of $5000 cash or bond. They say more cases than not, the white guy will bail out whereas the black guy cannot. White guy is out, free while the non-white is stuck in jail until his court day/trial. They, the Haters on the left, say this is unfair.
As for the youths, under 18, they really believe they are doing a great justice for these young lads. Youngers/minors going to jail do nothing to help the little ones.
These people do not live in or understand real world.
One thing I think that will be positive; the costs to hold these turds in jail will decrease. Will it be a long term savings in the long run? Only time will tell.
As for these mutts showing up or not showing up for their court cases? I would guess that the majority will not show up, warrants will be placed out and tie up many officers to serve and hunt down those that should have shown up.
Time will tell, I think it will be a failure. Maybe I will be wrong. Doubt it!
"We shouldn't be locking people up just because they can’t afford to pay the bail when they are legally presumed innocent by the US constitution," said Emily Singletary, the co-founder and co-executive director of Unchained.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
My buddy is a statie and he's really looking forward to the good times this will bring.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The point of bail is to ensure that people show up.
The problem is that poor and rich people have different incentives to show up.
Poor people have little incentive, and any bail bond large enough to ensure they show up is likely to be too much for them to afford.
Middle class or rich people almost don't need the bail. They have plenty of fixed assets that can be siezed later if they don't.
So, the fundamental problem of punishing people with nothing to lose, is that means you have nothing to take from them, and they have nothing anchoring them to the community.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Agreed. So fuck bail.
Jail them.
Jail them.
M_F
.45 acp
Interesting how most unSafe act violations are not on the list.
FUAC
FUAC
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If the constitutionally guaranteed right to a speedy trial were actually respected it wouldn't be necessary.
But when people spend years waiting for a trial the whole system has basically collapsed.
Add to that the fact that you can be held for years waiting trial, only to be found not guilty and you don't even get an apology.
Innocent or guilty, the process itself is punishment. In a just system your life wouldn't be ruined if you were found not guilty.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Agreed
repete
.338 Win Mag
No cash bail, but they willingly will take your AR in lieu.
We have too many laws and those are written so poorly that it takes years to figure out if you have even broken the law.
