Quadruple homicide in Buffalo/Cheektowaga

[Saltwater60]

Honor killing? Wife cheating on her husband? Maybe we will find out, and maybe we won’t. Usual suspect so they might hide it. I’d be curious to know if he was here legally and allowed to own the gun he shot his wife and kids with. I guess it better than chopping their heads off with a machete.

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/erie-county/cheektowaga/police-investigate-possible-triple-homicide-in-cheektowaga/?fbclid=IwZnRzaASL4SJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEetWflBsuQfypNAWtIH9V8MhUW2jjQxZLus7qGQg7ao6POJkRqrqZji2ezWBM_aem_j_VXLbowkMlWhfEvULGujw

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Honor killing? Wife cheating on her husband? Maybe we will find out, and maybe we won’t. Usual suspect so they might hide it. I’d be curious to know if he was here legally and allowed to own the gun he shot his wife and kids with. I guess it better than chopping their heads off with a machete.

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/erie-county/cheektowaga/police-investigate-possible-triple-homicide-in-cheektowaga/?fbclid=IwZnRzaASL4SJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEetWflBsuQfypNAWtIH9V8MhUW2jjQxZLus7qGQg7ao6POJkRqrqZji2ezWBM_aem_j_VXLbowkMlWhfEvULGujw

I read that he and his wife were headed for a divorce; were legally separated; and the clerk he killed on Grant St. was dating her, before he went to CheektoVegas and killed her and their children.

A far better solution to trying him and paying $50K+ a year to incarcerate him would be to take him out back, expend one round, and put the rotting corpse in some unmarked grave.

 

[GOPerfect]

You import these people into your neighborhoods...

You import their cultures as well

This is EXACTLY what the people of the area have voted for.

 

[MothMan]

You import these people into your neighborhoods...

You import their cultures as well

This is EXACTLY what the people of the area have voted for.

Yup.

 

[Criticalt]

You import these people into your neighborhoods...

You import their cultures as well

This is EXACTLY what the people of the area have voted for.

Hey, you know I agree with almost everything you say, even much of the naughty stuff we aren't allowed to talk about. And I understand where you're coming from here.
But, like a divorced soccer mom, I watch a LOT of true crime content.
At least in the USA, the VAST majority of family annihilators are suburban white dudes.
Just saying.

 

[GOPerfect]

Hey, you know I agree with almost everything you say, even much of the naughty stuff we aren't allowed to talk about. And I understand where you're coming from here.
But, like a divorced soccer mom, I watch a LOT of true crime content.
At least in the USA, the VAST majority of family annihilators are suburban white dudes.
Just saying.

For real man... you should hear me in true life. I hold nothing back. The looks that I get from some of the locals is nothing less than awesome.

Some of the shit that I spew, these words, they have never heard them in person. The way I speak of some people... Nope, I hold nothing back. I would love to do that here...

 

[Criticalt]

For real man... you should hear me in true life. I hold nothing back. The looks that I get from some of the locals is nothing less than awesome.

Some of the shit that I spew, these words, they have never heard them in person. The way I speak of some people... Nope, I hold nothing back. I would love to do that here...

One time a trucker said to me, "you swear like a ....." he had nothing.

A sailor once said to me, "you talk like a....." again, nothing.

 

[Saltwater60]

Hey, you know I agree with almost everything you say, even much of the naughty stuff we aren't allowed to talk about. And I understand where you're coming from here.
But, like a divorced soccer mom, I watch a LOT of true crime content.
At least in the USA, the VAST majority of family annihilators are suburban white dudes.
Just saying.

Sure, you’re not wrong, but what’s the ratio. Do they kill more percentage wise based on population or is it other people like you said? Sure pure numbers wise it’s white dudes but if this nationality is only 5% of the USA and whites are 70% of course whites will kill more. These aren’t real numbers and I just took an educated guess on percentages.

 

[GOPerfect]

A comprehensive breakdown of family mass murders (incidents where four or more family members are killed) by the race and ethnicity of the offender indicates that while White individuals comprise the largest total percentage of perpetrators, black and Hispanic individuals also make up substantial portions of the total data.
Criminological data tracking decades of mass violence shows the breakdown of family mass murder offenders by race

• White: ~52.3%
• Black: ~26.2%
• Hispanic: ~16.4%
• Asian / Other Races: ~5.1%

White Offenders: At roughly 52.3%, White perpetrators represent the absolute majority of cases. However, because White Americans make up about 59% of the overall U.S. population, they are actually slightly underrepresented compared to their general population share.

Black Offenders: At roughly 26.2%, Black perpetrators are over-represented compared to their roughly 13.6% share of the general U.S. population.

Hispanic Offenders: At roughly 16.4%, Hispanic perpetrators roughly mirror their overall representation in the general U.S. population (about 19%

The biggest issue here....

Middle Eastern individuals fit into family annihilation and criminology statistics through a legal paradox: they are officially categorized as "White" in federal databases, meaning their specific incidents are absorbed into White demographic data

So, by seeing all of this, Ol Whitey really is not the bad guy here. Well, some of them are.

I love numbers....

 

[Criticalt]

Sure, you’re not wrong, but what’s the ratio. Do they kill more percentage wise based on population or is it other people like you said? Sure pure numbers wise it’s white dudes but if this nationality is only 5% of the USA and whites are 70% of course whites will kill more. These aren’t real numbers and I just took an educated guess on percentages.

Well, I didn't do the math, because I really dont care. What im saying is that ive watched dozens of videos about family annihilators, and 95% are middle income white guys in suburbia.
Its just crazy how many seemingly well educated, well respected guys with good jobs are brutally hacking their entire family into pieces. And the VAST majority have no reason.
Unlike most murderers, these guys often have no found motives. I guess they just snap.
Almost EVERY time their family and friends say they were great guys with no issues.
I assume they come off like this because they keep everything bottled up until they snap.
With "regular" murders people say stuff like, "that makes sense" or "it was just a matter of time".
But these family killer guys almost never give off murder vibes to family and friends. Its actually kind of eerie.

 

[Saltwater60]

A comprehensive breakdown of family mass murders (incidents where four or more family members are killed) by the race and ethnicity of the offender indicates that while White individuals comprise the largest total percentage of perpetrators, black and Hispanic individuals also make up substantial portions of the total data.
Criminological data tracking decades of mass violence shows the breakdown of family mass murder offenders by race

• White: ~52.3%
• Black: ~26.2%
• Hispanic: ~16.4%
• Asian / Other Races: ~5.1%

White Offenders: At roughly 52.3%, White perpetrators represent the absolute majority of cases. However, because White Americans make up about 59% of the overall U.S. population, they are actually slightly underrepresented compared to their general population share.

Black Offenders: At roughly 26.2%, Black perpetrators are over-represented compared to their roughly 13.6% share of the general U.S. population.

Hispanic Offenders: At roughly 16.4%, Hispanic perpetrators roughly mirror their overall representation in the general U.S. population (about 19%

The biggest issue here....

Middle Eastern individuals fit into family annihilation and criminology statistics through a legal paradox: they are officially categorized as "White" in federal databases, meaning their specific incidents are absorbed into White demographic data

So, by seeing all of this, Ol Whitey really is not the bad guy here. Well, some of them are.

I love numbers....

Yes, this is what I was talking about. Thanks for this research. Now they have figured that Asians and middle easterners are now considered white. Kind of crazy.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yes, this is what I was talking about. Thanks for this research. Now they have figured that Asians and middle easterners are now considered white. Kind of crazy.

I saw this often, a lot actually, when I was with the Sheriff's department.

 

[GOPerfect]

Well, I didn't do the math, because I really dont care. What im saying is that ive watched dozens of videos about family annihilators, and 95% are middle income white guys in suburbia.
Its just crazy how many seemingly well educated, well respected guys with good jobs are brutally hacking their entire family into pieces. And the VAST majority have no reason.
Unlike most murderers, these guys often have no found motives. I guess they just snap.
Almost EVERY time their family and friends say they were great guys with no issues.
I assume they come off like this because they keep everything bottled up until they snap.
With "regular" murders people say stuff like, "that makes sense" or "it was just a matter of time".
But these family killer guys almost never give off murder vibes to family and friends. Its actually kind of eerie.

I knew one of these "men". Killed his wife and his 3 kids before suck starting his gun. No one would have guessed in a million years that he would do this.

Years back, there was a great episode on Law and Order about these people. My eyes were opened pretty well to this with that episode.

 

[spat]

Hey, you know I agree with almost everything you say, even much of the naughty stuff we aren't allowed to talk about. And I understand where you're coming from here.
But, like a divorced soccer mom, I watch a LOT of true crime content.
At least in the USA, the VAST majority of family annihilators are suburban white dudes.
Just saying.

Some of that is just odds.

There are *a lot* more suburban white dudes out there than the others. At least for the time being.

Just like you're far more likely to be killed by a cow than a bear, doesn't mean the bear isn't more dangerous.

 

[GOPerfect]

By the way, he is not illegal. He was Naturalized.

 

[fresch]

Well, I didn't do the math, because I really dont care. What im saying is that ive watched dozens of videos about family annihilators, and 95% are middle income white guys in suburbia.
Its just crazy how many seemingly well educated, well respected guys with good jobs are brutally hacking their entire family into pieces. And the VAST majority have no reason.
Unlike most murderers, these guys often have no found motives. I guess they just snap.
Almost EVERY time their family and friends say they were great guys with no issues.
I assume they come off like this because they keep everything bottled up until they snap.
With "regular" murders people say stuff like, "that makes sense" or "it was just a matter of time".
But these family killer guys almost never give off murder vibes to family and friends. Its actually kind of eerie.

Some people who, were just " great guys, bla bla, etc" are/were telling you but no-one was listening. Kinda like how a female is mostly treated as the oppressed when they are the oppressor.
Men are supposed to just suck it up and move on.
I know of a guy (personally) who after divorce court figures even working total possible max ot, he still couldn't make the payments let alone feed and shelter himself. In talking with his x about the money and lack of time seeing his children, she told him, why not just kill yourself then! About 3 days later after not showing for work (was given a Forman job to help) he was found dead from self inflicted gun shot wounds (shotty to the head).

 

[Saltwater60]

I knew one of these "men". Killed his wife and his 3 kids before suck starting his gun. No one would have guessed in a million years that he would do this.

Years back, there was a great episode on Law and Order about these people. My eyes were opened pretty well to this with that episode.

I know a lady who was great. She’s smart, funny outgoing, thin, good looking for her age and an average person. Then I heard she had a mental break and was literally committed to ECMC because she had a complete break from reality.
Turns out she had a medical condition and they prescribed a high dose of steroids and this is what did it. They medicated her for a bit, got her medical issue taken care of and she’s fine. No issues and it’s been years. Odd.

 

[Saltwater60]

By the way, he is not illegal. He was Naturalized.

I was wonder his status. Thanks for adding this.

 

[Saltwater60]

Some people who, were just " great guys, bla bla, etc" are/were telling you but no-one was listening. Kinda like how a female is mostly treated as the oppressed when they are the oppressor.
Men are supposed to just suck it up and move on.
I know of a guy (personally) who after divorce court figures even working total possible max ot, he still couldn't make the payments let alone feed and shelter himself. In talking with his x about the money and lack of time seeing his children, she told him, why not just kill yourself then! About 3 days later after not showing for work (was given a Forman job to help) he was found dead from self inflicted gun shot wounds (shotty to the head).

I know a woman who was about 55 years old and seemingly happily married, had kids, grandkids, lovely woman from what I’m told. I didn’t know her well. Her husband had a good job and they were about to retire. He came home from work one day to find her dead, suicide from a shotgun to the skull. No one could figure it out. My father knew them well, I knew her kids fairly well and the husband enough. It shocked everyone.
My dad and another buddy went to clean the house up for the husband.

 

[tirwin1]

Well, I didn't do the math, because I really dont care. What im saying is that ive watched dozens of videos about family annihilators, and 95% are middle income white guys in suburbia.
Its just crazy how many seemingly well educated, well respected guys with good jobs are brutally hacking their entire family into pieces. And the VAST majority have no reason.
Unlike most murderers, these guys often have no found motives. I guess they just snap.
Almost EVERY time their family and friends say they were great guys with no issues.
I assume they come off like this because they keep everything bottled up until they snap.
With "regular" murders people say stuff like, "that makes sense" or "it was just a matter of time".
But these family killer guys almost never give off murder vibes to family and friends. Its actually kind of eerie.

I have long maintained there is no such thing as "normal". There are statistical averages for behaviors but most everyone has a screw loose here or there. In fact if you come across some guy who seems completely "normal" with no idiosyncrasies then run away immediately. Those are the guys that are going to go off like this at some point in time.

 

[Criticalt]

I have long maintained there is no such thing as "normal". There are statistical averages for behaviors but most everyone has a screw loose here or there. In fact if you come across some guy who seems completely "normal" with no idiosyncrasies then run away immediately. Those are the guys that are going to go off like this at some point in time.

Unfortunately most people dont notice, or understand dangerous idiosyncrasies. Because most odd people arent dangerous.
And you're right from what ive seen. These family killers are almost always considered "normal" by everyone close to them.
I watched one video about a guy in California. He worked at either a Fed Ex or UPS hub.
There were like 10 people that worked there. One day he walked in with 2 handguns and kills 4 people. Every single other employee said he was the last one of them they thought would do this.
His wife said he was acting completely normal recently, and didn't have any issues with coworkers that she knew of.
Again, I see this over and over with family killers, and mass killers. Their motives are often dark secrets they take to the grave, or never divulge.

 

[Criticalt]

Some of that is just odds.

There are *a lot* more suburban white dudes out there than the others. At least for the time being.

Just like you're far more likely to be killed by a cow than a bear, doesn't mean the bear isn't more dangerous.

Holy Jesus people, Im very familiar with all of this. My first comment was in response to the assertion killing your family is a "those peoples" issue.
Of course when you crunch numbers things tighten up. My point was that lots, and lots of white dudes kill their families....period. And its almost never a cultural thing, or an honor thing.......the motive is usually unknown, or is because they were just tired of being a family man.

 

[tirwin1]

Holy Jesus people, Im very familiar with all of this. My first comment was in response to the assertion killing your family is a "those peoples" issue.
Of course when you crunch numbers things tighten up. My point was that lots, and lots of white dudes kill their families....period. And its almost never a cultural thing, or an honor thing.......the motive is usually unknown, or is because they were just tired of being a family man.

I have this sense that if these guys relaxed with a few beers and got laid more often most of these incidents would be avoided. Wishful thinking perhaps.

 

[fresch]

That's why you need tools and use them now and then. Lets you go to the store by yourself.

 

[dwa12479]

I have this sense that if these guys relaxed with a few beers and got laid more often most of these incidents would be avoided. Wishful thinking perhaps.

Not enough goats in Western NY I guess...

 

[holdover]

 

[Criticalt]

Not enough goats in Western NY I guess...

Thats a baaaaaad joke!!

Get it? Baa like a goat.