US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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George H. Bush refused to apologise for this incident reinforcing Iranian belief it was done on purpose.
Iran Air Flight 655[a] was an international scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by two surface-to-air missiles fired by USS Vincennes, a United States Navy warship. The missiles hit the Iran Air aircraft, an Airbus A300, while it was flying its usual route over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, shortly after the flight departed its stopover location, Bandar Abbas International Airport. All 290 people on board were killed, making it one of the deadliest airliner shootdowns of all time, the deadliest aviation incident involving an Airbus aircraft of any type, and the deadliest aviation incident in Iranian history.
Iran Air Flight 655[a] was an international scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by two surface-to-air missiles fired by USS Vincennes, a United States Navy warship. The missiles hit the Iran Air aircraft, an Airbus A300, while it was flying its usual route over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, shortly after the flight departed its stopover location, Bandar Abbas International Airport. All 290 people on board were killed, making it one of the deadliest airliner shootdowns of all time, the deadliest aviation incident involving an Airbus aircraft of any type, and the deadliest aviation incident in Iranian history.
Bigfoot
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FWIW
Bigfoot
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Eh? The approach of, "they got this wrong so that means they got that wrong too", is simple. Covert intelligence is anything but simple. It doesn't mean you can just discard everything else because not enough information was gathered about one item. Should extra emphasis be placed on it? Sure. But just knee jerk assuming? Nope.
spat
.950 JDJ
Except that logic *does* follow when it comes to "how much are we missing".
"Our intelligence on Iran was so bad we didn't know about a missile that could reach London, what else don't we know" is a valid line of reasoning .
It's almost certain the inside information we were getting is from different sources. Ie. The inside moles providing information on missiles are different moles than the ones giving nuclear progress.
Truth is the first casualty.
^^^^^ This right here! Question everything just like @Bigfoot stated earlier.
spat
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They seem to have some very senior sources, so it's quite likely it's above the level where that information is aggregated.
This is incoherent at best.
Is that you, Dan Quayle?
Entirely possible that is the case. If so, then yeah they should absolutely downgrade the confidence of the intelligence, especially if they are the sole source. I'd still lean towards the lower chain though - It's typically easier to corrupt lower chain sources. That being said neither you or I know with certainty if a more senior level official(s) is the case. Maybe they have both.
Bigfoot
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"President Donald Trump issued a 48-hour ultimatum to Iran on Saturday, warning the U.S. would strike its power plants if the Strait of Hormuz is not reopened."
Trump gives Iran 48-hour ultimatum to reopen Strait of Hormuz or face strikes on power plants
Trump warns Iran it has 48 hours to fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz or the U.S. will strike and obliterate its power plants, starting with the largest.www.foxnews.com
"If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST!" Trump said in a post on Truth Social."
Bigfoot
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FWIW
Phazer
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Iran recently fired ballistic missiles at Diego Garcia. Those missiles flew over 2000 km. That is more range than Iran had previously admitted.
So, tell me: If we did not intervene now, how were we going to be safer in the future when The Islamic Republic had ten times their current missile stockpile (since they had advanced production facilities), they could overwhelm all regional missile defenses, they could target large segments of Europe, and were approaching nuclear capability?
Remember, they swore for decades: "Death to America." That was evolving from bluster to doctrine backed by modern equipment.
So, we were left with the usual decision between two bad choices: Attack now and suffer short term economic hardship and limited military casualties or wait and try to defend against a well-fortified, possibly nuclear-armed, Islamic Republic with the capability to destroy all Middle Eastern and European infrastructure. I'd posit that the second option is worse.
As always, time will tell.
So, tell me: If we did not intervene now, how were we going to be safer in the future when The Islamic Republic had ten times their current missile stockpile (since they had advanced production facilities), they could overwhelm all regional missile defenses, they could target large segments of Europe, and were approaching nuclear capability?
Remember, they swore for decades: "Death to America." That was evolving from bluster to doctrine backed by modern equipment.
So, we were left with the usual decision between two bad choices: Attack now and suffer short term economic hardship and limited military casualties or wait and try to defend against a well-fortified, possibly nuclear-armed, Islamic Republic with the capability to destroy all Middle Eastern and European infrastructure. I'd posit that the second option is worse.
As always, time will tell.
Phazer
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spat
.950 JDJ
OMG, another sneak attack....
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Musta been Israel, those sneaky bastards how dare they launch a raid, during war, without adequate prior notice. Saw report today that said Trump put off the deadline for 5 days, so it was either Israel or maybe the houthis are biting the hand that feeds them, they are, afterall dirty desert curs.