LAPD accidently kills teen while stopping an assault (Video of shooting)

[Toecutter]

Tragic a 14 year old girl was killed in a dressing room.
What's your take on this 100 percent good shoot but it's kinda reckless to fire an ar15 in a department store 2 days before Christmas.
Was it avoidable?

 

[Darth]

You know for a fact that one not on a blue costume would not get the "100% good shoot" treatment.

 

[Toecutter]

You know for a fact that one not on a blue costume would not get the "100% good shoot" treatment.

If a citizen killed that guy and didn't kill an innocent bystander I think it would have been justified. That guy was beating the crap out of that woman with the bike lock he needed to go.
My thought is a pistol may have been more appropriate in this situation.

 

[Darth]

If a citizen killed that guy and didn't kill an innocent bystander I think it would have been justified. That guy was beating the crap out of that woman with the bike lock he needed to go.
My thought is a pistol may have been more appropriate in this situation.

No doubt about that, but the "and killing an innocent" would not receive the same treatment given a cop and a peon.

 

[spat]

No doubt about that, but the "and killing an innocent" would not receive the same treatment given a cop and a peon.

Certainly nobody else would have qualified immunity for it anyway. Even if the criminal charges were beat.

 

[Darth]

Certainly nobody else would have qualified immunity for it anyway. Even if the criminal charges were beat.

And the thing is, they have non lethal options much more readily avaliable than the average CCW.

TBH, this actually seems like a case where a beanbag shotgun may have been in proper use. At least to start.

 

[GOPerfect]

I find this to be disgusting. Sure, there was no way to know this helpless child was in the change room, but what in the hell ever happen to know what is behind.

This is horrible for the officer. It is beyond horrific for the dead girl and her family.

The buy guy, doing bad guy things has a chain, not a firearm. Many different tools and procedures could have and should have been used.

 

[GOPerfect]

Certainly nobody else would have qualified immunity for it anyway. Even if the criminal charges were beat.

He may not be able to use his immunity in this. It is very much against the policy of the department. I think charges will follow very soon. Very soon.

 

[GOPerfect]

And the thing is, they have non lethal options much more readily avaliable than the average CCW.

TBH, this actually seems like a case where a beanbag shotgun may have been in proper use. At least to start.

Fuck... There were seventeen cops there on the store floor. They could have rushed him and beat him into submission. ALL of them could have tazed the guy at once. They could have ALL thrown their batons at the little fucker.

 

[Uzi]

They really served and protected the hell out of that woman in the dressing room. Well done!

Complete ignorance to firearm safety. Were these idiots that scared of a fucking bike lock? I guess so, so blast away with some 5.56 into a dressing room. Drywall and paint is great at stopping rifle rounds I hear, shouldn't be a problem. What could possibly go wrong?

I'd have more trust with the average CCW holder. At least they know they own each round that's fired, and they probably have more range time too.

 

[Darth]

That's where I'm torn though. We all know "know your target and what is beyond it" works well until you have to act. Sometimes you have to break that rule, given certain death vs. possible collateral. That's just the way the real world works.

But peons would not be given such benefit of the doubt.

 

[spat]

That's where I'm torn though. We all know "know your target and what is beyond it" works well until you have to act. Sometimes you have to break that rule, given certain death vs. possible collateral. That's just the way the real world works.

But peons would not be given such benefit of the doubt.

When the SHTF, yes, sometimes the "what's beyond" turns into an educated guess instead of the certainty it should be.

But in a crowded store, the educated guess should probably be "a good chance there's innocent bystanders back there".

In a case like that where collateral damage is likely, you need to be aware of how expensive (in lives) that shot may be before you take it.

An active shooter, maybe it's a justified risk. This guy was not that.

 

[spat]

Fuck... There were seventeen cops there on the store floor. They could have rushed him and beat him into submission. ALL of them could have tazed the guy at once. They could have ALL thrown their batons at the little fucker.

Should have just handled it the way the prison guards handle an unruly prisoner.

Everyone grab a limb and sit on it.

 

[Acer-m14]

from the OP's vid the 911 caller says a guy with a gun right at the beginning of the video .. and it kept on for longer on he has a gun .. WTF ..

 

[tirwin1]

Was it a good shoot? The perp was not near the beating victim by the time the police arrived. There were many of them and one of him.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but it is an honest question. One of our own LEO's has already expressed doubts.

 

[Toecutter]

Was it a good shoot? The perp was not near the beating victim by the time the police arrived. There were many of them and one of him.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but it is an honest question. One of our own LEO's has already expressed doubts.

Call came in that he had a gun. They weren't taking chances. I agree it should have been handled differently being in a department store during the busiest time of the year.
Cop is on leave and state is investigating it being in California it's probably not good news for that cop.

We all remember the shootout in LA with those guys in body armor . That's why they have those rifles. A couple of decades later and they show up on every call with rifles. They should only be used when 100 percent necessary.

 

[pshift]

The media makes this guy out to be a "cowboy" and other LEOS can be heard telling him to 'slow down'. Apparently, not too good a shoot, regardless of whether the bad guy was apprehended. You decide....

Los Angeles officer told to 'slow down' before shots fired at Burlington store, killing 14-year-old girl

 

[FRANKIE]

No doubt taking these shots was a bad decision on the officers part. Aside from that, he did shoot for the best possible out come. He shot at a high angle. no round actually penetrated the wall directly. It was from a deflection off the floor that did it. But still, even if the round penetrated the second floor they were on, it would have left the first level vulnerable. You can clearly see the round that hit the floor and most likely did it. There must have been a tile subfloor or something to deflect off. And being mother and daughter were down at a low angle in the dressing room hiding, made for the perfect storm.

 

[Celt]

Based on the video Id argue the shooting was NOT justified. He only had a chain in his hand and was retreating from the victim.

With that said, the moron who called 911 said he had a gun and shot it so the cops are under the impression he has a gun, this changes their mindset. Although it doesnt change the fact he didnt have a gun in his hand, and was retreating from the victim.

That poor innocent kid that got killed (and just before Christmas to make it worse, if it can be) paid the price.

So, who's to blame? The bad guy owns some of that, the cop who pulled the trigger owns some of that, the idiot 911 caller owns some of that, the dispatcher owns some of that for not telling the police to take the report of bad guy with a gun with a grain of salt because it was reported that way by a hysterical untrained citizen, the biased media and politicians that have people so fearful that they ASSUME bad people always have guns own some of that too. But all the blame in the world wont bring back that poor innocent kid that got killed.

Situations like this are why police reform is needed. And as i said in the other thread, my type of reform is not defunding, it means MORE training, ALOT more training, shooting/accuracy/firearms proficiency/non lethal, mental health/social, hand to hand combatives, fitness standards, LESS militaristic, community relations, etc...

 

[alistair]

Law #4 - Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

 

[GOPerfect]

Law #4 - Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

Not only this, bit fully understand the weapon being used and the ammunition that you are shooting.

 

[pshift]

Here is a compilation of the events. The PO body-cam action starts around the 29 minute mark. Looks like a 'cowboy' to me and too eager to 'serve', rather than protect.

LAPD releases video of moments leading up to fatal shooting of suspect, girl, 14, at Burlington store

The Los Angeles Police Department on Monday released body camera footage and other evidence of a deadly shooting in which officers fired on a suspect who allegedly attacked several people in a clothing store and a 14-year-old girl who was killed when a bullet pierced the wall of a dressing room.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Cavalry]

Whats up with homeboy fumble fucking around with the dust cover/ejection port?

 

[SonOfSun]

Know your target and what is behind it. It's obvious the cop was trying to help, but the rules of responsible firearms usage still apply. If you are not sure what is beyond your target then you need to reevaluate.

 

[Mk44]

That is terrible. You could hear (the mom?) screaming in the dressing room after her daughter was shot.

Listening to the 911 call.. the caller said the guy had a gun but later states the suspect was beating people with a chain & lock.

Watching this video, the cop seems too gung-ho imo. He tells the other cops "hey let me take point with the rifle.". He rushes ahead and other officers are telling him to slow down over and over. Then they them him to hold on, hold on Jones, hold on.. several times, but he rushes in.
He gets down to the isle where the lady is sitting on the floor and opens fire on the suspect (it's hard to see, but it looks like the suspect is walking away/ turning the corner and the cop fires his AR.) I'm not sure but it didn't look like the suspect pointed anything at the cop causing him to feel threaten & shoot. Plus there were at least half a dozen of cops with him surrounding the suspect. I do not feel the shooting was justified. Just my $0.02
As others have stated, know your target and what's behind it. In the video you could see doors to a storage room or dressing rooms. There could be people behind that wall/ door. And there was. Very sad.
imo, the cop made a bad choice to shoot. I don't care that the suspect is dead. But I feel terrible for the young girl.

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[Toecutter]

The more I see the more I think if that cop eith the rifle was not in this situation everybody would have been alive. He was over aggressive and got an innocent killed.

To be honest I teared up hearing that mother crying.

 

[Grimscale]

Not only this, bit fully understand the weapon being used and the ammunition that you are shooting.

This ^^^

It is why I will not get an AR for home defense. Far too easy for a round to penetrate beyond what I would intend, even if I hit the perp (contrary to what the Sandy Hook coroner claimed).

 

[spat]

This ^^^

It is why I will not get an AR for home defense. Far too easy for a round to penetrate beyond what I would intend, even if I hit the perp (contrary to what the Sandy Hook coroner claimed).

Depends entirely on where you live.

And the construction of the house

 

[spat]

The more I see the more I think if that cop eith the rifle was not in this situation everybody would have been alive. He was over aggressive and got an innocent killed.

To be honest I teared up hearing that mother crying.

The more I think about this, the more I think that particular cop might have been waiting his whole career for an excuse to shoot someone.

It's not common, but there *are* people out there like that.

 

[pshift]

He looks like one of *those* LEOs who join the PD just to get to 'feel the power' of being armed. They have definitely lowered the hiring standards and have probably changed the 'psych exam' (used to be psych qualification) for new recruits over the past 10 years or so I've been told by my buddies who are in this line of work.

Requirements are similar to what NYPD uses: Police Officer Hiring - NYPD