Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Implicit in this question is that I should have to visit a country to deride it as a shithole. I disagree with that assertion. I have researched russia and seen how it stacks up on the international stage in key metrics.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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MothMan
.338 Win Mag
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Here is an example of everything that is wrong in today's world.
MSNBC makes a report saying "Trump was tripping over himself with admiration of Putin yesterday" which was totally fake news.
If however, you are a linear thinker then you will see the report and think that Trump was tripping over himself with admiration of Putin.
because that is what "they" wanted you to think. It is reported out of context and reported linearly. Example! A true Fact is that everyone who has ever died over the age of 5 had eaten bread. Linear thinkers will deduce that if I stop eating bread and I can live forever. That is linear thinking.
Now watch the report for yourself and ask. Is this fake news? Yes! Was it taken out of context? Yes. Was Trump being sarcastic? Yes. Was he basically memeing? Yes. Leftist liberals are linear thinkers, this is why the Left can't meme and when they try to meme it turns out to be trolling.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
From the comments...
So, long story short, who wants to go to war in Ukraine so that George Soros and his billionaire buddies can add another billion or so each to their portfolios? Because after one strips away all of the diplomatic jargon, high-sounding but false rhetoric, and all the rest of the nonsense and falsehood, that is what this whole mess is really all about. The rich want to get richer, and they are prepared to sacrifice the lives of your sons to attain their goals.
prambo
.475 A&M Magnum
“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.”
- Smedley Butler
“I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
- Smedley Butler
“What business is it of ours whether Russia or Germany or England or France or Italy or Austria live under democracies or monarchies? Whether they are Fascists or Communists? Our problem is to preserve our own democracy. And very little, if anything, has been accomplished to assure us that the World War was really the war to end all wars.”
- Smedley Butler
“There are only two reasons why you should ever be asked to give your youngsters. One is defense of our homes. The other is the defense of our Bill of Rights and particularly the right to worship God as we see fit. Every other reason advanced for the murder of young men is a racket, pure and simple.”
- Smedley Butler
He had a bit more experience with war than most people on this forum and infinitely more than others, especially those stirring the pot to get into another war where young men and women don't fight for anything worthwhile.
Frankly, those advocating for war here have probably never been near one, participated in one, or even been in the service - more interested in the increase in their stock portfolios doing well.
Smedley Butler - Wikipedia
General Smedley Butler Quotes on War, Patriotism, and More – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
"At the time of his death in 1940 Major General Smedley Darlington Butler was the most decorated Marine in American history. His 16 medals included two Medals of Honor and the Brevet Medal, all for separate acts of heroism."
- Smedley Butler
“I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
- Smedley Butler
“What business is it of ours whether Russia or Germany or England or France or Italy or Austria live under democracies or monarchies? Whether they are Fascists or Communists? Our problem is to preserve our own democracy. And very little, if anything, has been accomplished to assure us that the World War was really the war to end all wars.”
- Smedley Butler
“There are only two reasons why you should ever be asked to give your youngsters. One is defense of our homes. The other is the defense of our Bill of Rights and particularly the right to worship God as we see fit. Every other reason advanced for the murder of young men is a racket, pure and simple.”
- Smedley Butler
He had a bit more experience with war than most people on this forum and infinitely more than others, especially those stirring the pot to get into another war where young men and women don't fight for anything worthwhile.
Frankly, those advocating for war here have probably never been near one, participated in one, or even been in the service - more interested in the increase in their stock portfolios doing well.
Smedley Butler - Wikipedia
General Smedley Butler Quotes on War, Patriotism, and More – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
"At the time of his death in 1940 Major General Smedley Darlington Butler was the most decorated Marine in American history. His 16 medals included two Medals of Honor and the Brevet Medal, all for separate acts of heroism."
Vapor
.308 Win
"I twist the truth, I rule the world, my crown is called deceit
I am the emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet
I rob you and I slaughter you, your downfall is my gain
And still you play the sycophant and revel in your pain
And all my promises are lies, all my love is hate
I am the politician and I decide your fate
I march before a martyred world, an army for the fight
I speak of great heroic days, of victory and might
I hold a banner drenched in blood, I urge you to be brave
I lead you to your destiny, I lead you to your grave
Your bones will build my palaces, your eyes will stud my crown
For I am Mars, the God of War, and I will cut you down"
I am the emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet
I rob you and I slaughter you, your downfall is my gain
And still you play the sycophant and revel in your pain
And all my promises are lies, all my love is hate
I am the politician and I decide your fate
I march before a martyred world, an army for the fight
I speak of great heroic days, of victory and might
I hold a banner drenched in blood, I urge you to be brave
I lead you to your destiny, I lead you to your grave
Your bones will build my palaces, your eyes will stud my crown
For I am Mars, the God of War, and I will cut you down"
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Its not rooting for Putin,its just that people see it a different way. Has nothing to do with Biden, for me anyway,
The way I see it , NATO antagonized Russia by placeing weapons in Ukraine knowing full well Russia could/would not accept it . Ukraine was already on board with NATO like Finland or Sweden, The west pretty much had control of Ukraine. They didnt have to do this , and it was a win win for them . Russia does nothing, win. Russia invades and becomes the worlds bad guy, win again.
Your taking the stance of international law ,in which I cannot argue, Invasions are illegal. Russia invaded. Russia is guilty. How many times has the US went to the UN security council and claimed some country was threat therefore Justifying an attack or invasion? Hell. They own the security council. The US has done the same thing based on a threat. Russia is doing the same thing only it didnt go through the counsil because it cant ever win there. The US has also done it without ever going to a security council also, Libia, Syria,
The rules of law only apply to everyone else? Im not backing the invasion, but I understand why they did what they did. Placing weapons On the Ukraine's border with Russia was a direct threat to Russia. whether you believe it or not, thats the way the Russians see it.How can you ask everyone else to abide by rules you break all the time? Thats bullshit .
Did Ukraine have the right to do it? Yes of course they did. But that doesn't mean there would not be consequences due to the appearance of a threat to Russia.
You can have a gun in your house right? but if you go pointing it out the window at people walking by, the police are going to come knocking. You cant threaten people with it and not expect a response because its your house and you have a right to own a gun.
In my opinion, Russia is being lured into a guerrilla war which will cost them dearly and break the back of her economy .
If Ukraine strikes back , it may or may not, I dont know, I guess it will at some point. The Russian response will be to attack , and then they will be embroiled in a guerrilla war that will cost them .
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Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
You choose to make it simple. Many reject your premise because they remember the lies told about russiagate and the demonization of that country as a result. Others look at the ukraine as the corrupt ATM machine for the democratic party and wonder what the national interest of this country is (as distinct and separate from the interest of biden and the democratic party).
Putin is a dictator with blood on his hands. The Ukraine is a separate country that went from being a russian puppet to an american puppet. Putin sees the encroachment of NATO as a threat to his country, which is headlong into a demographic death spiral and whose options get limited with each passing year.
What Putin did was wrong, but it is incorrect to view this as a simple matter.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I dont see millions of People in the Donbass resisting, or fleeing or being killed.
Im saying the Russians in this case, are asked to play by the rules that we ignore. They are demanded to follow international law when the west doesnt. Bullshit rules.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Hey, if thats what you guys want to call it, Ill wear that hat . fair is fair.
Modean
.223 Rem
After spending 20 years in Afghanistan, the US really isn't in a position to take a stance on what Russia does.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I was merely pointing out your apology after saying you weren't an apologist. Trying to make a funny, that's all. No need to even think about apologizing to that dude lol.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
They invaded Afganistan on the pretext of routeing out a few hundred terrorists and stood there for 20 years.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Good catch!
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
'Dangerous parallels' between Ukraine 'invasion' and Nazis
The Russian leader has ordered troops into eastern Ukraine as part of a so-called 'peacekeeping mission' after declaring the region to be independent.
'Dangerous parallels' between Ukraine 'invasion' and Nazis
The Russian leader has ordered troops into eastern Ukraine as part of a so-called 'peacekeeping mission' after declaring the region to be independent.www.dailymail.co.uk
When was Sudetenland or Austria a part of Germany? I mean before the annexation and anschluss. Was there a civil war between Sudeten Germans and Czechs? You can always find similarities, but situation is totally different in its entirety.
Russia warns of 'painful' response to U.S. sanctions over Ukraine
President Joe Biden's administration warned the Ukrainian government of a full scale attack by Vladimir Putin 'imminently' with nearly 100% of Russian forces on the border ready to move in.
Each and every Country on Earth is a bit of a shithole. I have spent a bit of time in Russia, spoke with quite a few people, they appear to be happy. They work and play just like here in the US. I have had the honor of serving with and training with members of the Russian Military, they are no different than us.
Here in the US, Americans seem to have this vision and arrogance that we are better than all other places. Guess what, many of our cities are ten times worse than their cities are. Our poverty level in some areas is higher than much of theirs.
What exactly do you think makes Russia a shit hole Country? I am serious in this question. You read some words on a piece of paper and that is how you form an opinion?
I have met and broken bread with people in some of the poorest Nations on Earth, guess what, many of the people are very happy, little to no complaints. I had dinner with a family in Egypt at their home, two rooms, no running water and a dirt floor. They were some of the happiest people I have ever met.
What makes a place a shit hole?
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Chinese media accidentally posts CCP rules on Russia-Ukraine coverage, hint at Taiwan takeover
A news agency and two editors from different outlets posted similar instructions or stances on the coverage of Russia's actions in Ukraine, citing a need for Russia's help with Taiwan in the future.
www.foxnews.com
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Russia warns of 'painful' response to U.S. sanctions over Ukraine
President Joe Biden's administration warned the Ukrainian government of a full scale attack by Vladimir Putin 'imminently' with nearly 100% of Russian forces on the border ready to move in.
The shit is going to hit the fan in Ukraine soon if its accurate.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
No one is this dumb, not even Biden's inept administration. Biden is complicit helping Putin take Ukraine. Biden is evil.
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After Legal Setback, Biden Halts Oil and Gas Leases Even as Oil Nears $100 A Barrel - Breitbart
A federal judge blocked the Biden administration from deploying new rules that would have included the "social cost of carbon" when granting energy drilling leases. So the Biden administration imposed indefinite delay in planned oil and gas lease sales on public lands in a half-dozen states in...
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prambo
.475 A&M Magnum
No one is this dumb, not even Biden's inept administration. Biden is complicit helping Putin take Ukraine. Biden is evil.
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After Legal Setback, Biden Halts Oil and Gas Leases Even as Oil Nears $100 A Barrel - Breitbart
A federal judge blocked the Biden administration from deploying new rules that would have included the "social cost of carbon" when granting energy drilling leases. So the Biden administration imposed indefinite delay in planned oil and gas lease sales on public lands in a half-dozen states in...
All part of the plan...
First "they" immobilized much of the nation, except the sewage-sucking "elites", with the Scamdemic bullshit.
Now, the COVID debacle is winding down, sooner than these analingus-performing shitweasels wanted.
Now "they" are going to immobilize all the proles, but not the cretinous "elites", by artificially elevating gas and diesel prices.
The result of that, also part of "the plan", is false elevation of food prices due to a completely FUBAR supply chain.
Amazing how the whole facade started to go south within months of Trump leaving office...almost like they planned it.
If you have anyone in your life that voted DemonRat, get them out of your life, regardless of who they are - they were willing participants in traitorous activities - these venomous Maoists are evil.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Democracies Don’t Start Wars. But Democrats Do
It may have been President Bill Clinton who once justified his wrecking of the Balkans by observing that liberal interventionism to bring about regime change…
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It's a shit hole because on most metrics it is somewhere between the west and third world countries.
As I've said in the past the list of non-shithole countries is quite limited, and defined by per capita income, freedom of speech/press, security, life expectancy--etc.
Russia has a paltry per capita income. It has very limited freedom of the press and political expression, it jails political opponents and in some cases kills them. Its tech sector is a joke, etc.
It's not a shithole in its entirety of course. Much of it is nice and to your point the people there in general have the same life goals as people across the planet: Live in peace, provide for family. There are great people from every country, including Russia. Doesn't make their government any less corrupt or oppressive--which is part of the reason they continue to struggle when measured against the west.
prambo
.475 A&M Magnum
Evil and manipulative politicians...and trolls.
Like yourself, I have had meals with many very poor people in Kenya and Ethiopia. They don't have much, but they will give it to you, because they are genuine.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
George Galloway
@georgegalloway
When the people of eastern #Ukraine were being relentlessly bombarded by the Ukrainian military over the last 8 years - killing 14,000 - they were “Russian separatists” in a “breakaway region”. Suddenly they’ve become “Ukrainians” who’ve been captured by #RussiaUkraineCrisis
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
We, the United States, haven't had the balls to bring Ukraine into NATO for decades. That's it at the face value. No need to focus on that though. Putin and Xi see a extraordinarily weak President in peril and facing Nov mid-terms after stealing the 2020 election and the fact that the country is in a political civil war ,ales for perfect timing. That's it, no more analysis needed. Putin is one step ahead of the globalist on this and now Xi is asking Russian loyalists in the Ukraine for support of a Taiwan invasion.
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