Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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holdover
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I dont believe for one moment the Russians did any of this. They would have come in blitzkrieg style. This is fighting in the Donbass started by mercenaries or Ukrainian troops . I dont think Russia will make any moves here. BUt they are going to sell this on the news as a Russian invasion for sure.
Russia is going to be accused no matter what happened. False flag of false flag is the likely scenario. Blinken and Boris Johnson are already in front of the cameras pushing false flag propaganda.
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holdover
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Im reading all kinds of unconfirmed reports of shelling across the entire border, and Russian troops moving in that direction. I dont belive a word of it because thats not how the Russians would have begun thier attack. It would be unmistakeable similar to shock and awe with massive Air raids across the entire country. This is bullshit
My prediction it will never be resolved who started the escalation, Donbass or Ukrainian side, but politicians who come out in front of the cameras and already making accusations are full of shit at best or simply getting on with the big plan.
No investigation, less then a day since kindergarten attack and this ASSHOLE already has it figured out.
No investigation, less then a day since kindergarten attack and this ASSHOLE already has it figured out.
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prambo
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Yes, it is...smells similar to previous loads of bovine excrement - man on the grassy knoll, WMDs in Iraq...yup, same lies...
Bigfoot
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Listening to the news I got conflicting reports on what's going on there.
One place said the invasion is starting. The other place said nothing is going on.
Well, it can't be both...
It seems impossible to get the truth these days...
It's gotten to the point where definitions of words are being changed to make a lie fit the narrative.
One place said the invasion is starting. The other place said nothing is going on.
Well, it can't be both...
It seems impossible to get the truth these days... It's gotten to the point where definitions of words are being changed to make a lie fit the narrative.
Steal2B
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I would expect a likely KGBish provocative scuffle between Ukrainian troops and Russian backed separatists in Donbas ... in line with earlier shelling.
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holdover
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Listening to the news I got conflicting reports on what's going on there.
One place said the invasion is starting. The other place said nothing is going on.
Well, it can't be both...
It's gotten to the point where definitions of words are being changed to make a lie fit the narrative.
There is shooting going on in the Donbas, it started last night with some artillery rounds back and forth But nothing like a regular Brigade fire mission , You can hear the shots on twitter, its here and there, not a pre assault bombardment That you would expect.
A lot these news agency's and twitter posts are 100% bullshit. The cyber attack against the Ukraine yesterday would have been the first move. but the follow on attacks would have come right after. There would have been cruise missle strikes across the whole country, the power grid would be down the Ukrainian Airforce would have scrambled to get off the ground and engage whatever targets they could . the fighting would have been heavy along the entire border , Ships would have been sunk.
But this? WTF is this? news reports only. when you see the smoke , then you know.
holdover
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The Truth About Tonkin
What really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin on the night of 4 August 1964? Documents released over the past several years have cleared up the picture.www.usni.org
McNamera admitted it was a complete hoax. Its on video somewhere.
holdover
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Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Russia's plans for a false flag operation could include a chemical weapons attack on its own people as it tries to manufacture a pretext for invading Ukraine.
Russia is preparing to fabricate a reason to invade Ukraine and launch an attack in the coming days, the US says.
On Thursday President Joe Biden said military action could begin imminently, but stressed that a diplomatic solution was still possible.
His top foreign policy official later listed several ways Moscow could stage justification for an invasion.
Russia said the claims were "baseless" and accused the US of stoking tensions.
He said it was not clear what form a pretext for an attack could take, but that possibilities include "a fabricated so-called terrorist bombing inside Russia, the invented discovery of a mass grave, a staged drone strike against civilians, or a fake - even a real - attack using chemical weapons".
In the aftermath of such an incident, Mr Blinken said Russia's government would likely "theatrically convene" an emergency meeting about protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine - and Russian missiles and bombs would begin striking Ukrainian targets, alongside cyber-attacks.
ByPatrick Reevell
February 17, 2022, 3:35 PM
• 10 min read
Bottom line, Russia has not invaded Ukraine. Its all bullshit.
Ukraine tensions: Russia looking for excuse to invade, US says
Russia is preparing to fabricate a reason to invade Ukraine and launch an attack in the coming days, the US says.
On Thursday President Joe Biden said military action could begin imminently, but stressed that a diplomatic solution was still possible.
His top foreign policy official later listed several ways Moscow could stage justification for an invasion.
Russia said the claims were "baseless" and accused the US of stoking tensions.
He said it was not clear what form a pretext for an attack could take, but that possibilities include "a fabricated so-called terrorist bombing inside Russia, the invented discovery of a mass grave, a staged drone strike against civilians, or a fake - even a real - attack using chemical weapons".
In the aftermath of such an incident, Mr Blinken said Russia's government would likely "theatrically convene" an emergency meeting about protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine - and Russian missiles and bombs would begin striking Ukrainian targets, alongside cyber-attacks.
Tensions rise in Ukraine as Russian-backed separatist shelling hits nursery school
President Joe Biden said he expects Russia to invade.ByPatrick Reevell
February 17, 2022, 3:35 PM
• 10 min read
'You will not turn this meeting into a circus': Russia slams Blinken at UN summit over his 'dangerous' claim that Putin might launch false flag chemical weapons attack before invading Ukraine - and insists Russian troops ARE retreating
- Secretary of State Antony Blinken laid out Thursday the fullest account yet of Russia's plans to attack Ukraine
- He told the UN Security Council, that Russia could even use chemical weapons to build a pretext for invasion
- The morning brought a rapid series of diplomatic moves, as President Putin appeared to flex his muscles
- Russia told the US to withdraw troops from Central and Eastern Europe, a state news agency said on Thursday
- Washington has previously rejected the demand, but Moscow included it again in a new written response
- President Joe Biden said he feared an invasion could come 'within the next several days'
- Ukrainian forces and Russia-backed rebels accused each other of shelling their positions in Eastern Ukraine
- And Moscow expelled the US deputy ambassador, which Washington said was an 'escalatory step'
- Ukraine's military said separatists hit a kindergarten on their side of the frontier with shells, before pro-Russian forces claimed the building was actually on their side and was hit by Kiev's men
- Shells were also fired at Popasna, on the Ukrainian side of the frontline, with a secondary school struck
- NATO and the UK have warned that Russia is staging a false flag operations aimed at justifying an attack
- Meanwhile satellite images revealed new pontoon bridge built north of Kiev and huge movement of vehicles across Belarus, Russia and Crimea amid warnings that Putin is moving his forces closer to the border
Bottom line, Russia has not invaded Ukraine. Its all bullshit.
holdover
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The Truth About Tonkin
What really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin on the night of 4 August 1964? Documents released over the past several years have cleared up the picture.
You know that dastardly unprovoked attack on Pearl harbor? It was very much provoked when the US and great Britian placed an oil embargo against Japan which has no natural oil of its own , it has to be imported. But shockingly they attacked Pearl harbor mostly because they had to.
then of course there was the maine the luistania the Indian attacks and Saddams ties to al quadia . The WMD's
holdover
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Biden: Russian threat to invade Ukraine still ‘very high’
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Fears of a new war in Europe resurged Thursday as U.S. President Joe Biden warned that Russia could invade Ukraine within days, and violence spiked in a long-running standoff in eastern Ukraine that some worried…
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holdover
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spat
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What's the motivation for Ukraine to start things with a false flag though ?
Or do you think someone else wants to kick this whole thing off and they're trying to drag Russia *and* Ukraine in ?
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meketrefe
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This is all a big theatrical representation from both sides. Ukraine will not become the war many want. Europe does not want a war with Russia regardless what some PMs and our Brandon say.
Russia issued a set of demands concerning new NATO memberships and strategic weapons close to their border. Obviously Russia is using some kind of leverage to back up these demands. They anounced it but not specified publically what the leverage is. The West and NATO is on notice, but doesn't talk about it either. Drawing Russia into a war will weaken Russia's position. The West had done this before by backing two Chechen wars, even when relations with Russia were at their best.
Ukraine doesn't want Northstream 2 pipeline to open, so it does have an interest in stalking the flames.
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Here’s what Russia told US and NATO after its proposals were rejected
Here are the most important parts of Russia’s reaction to the US and NATO rejecting its comprehensive proposal for security in Europe.
pjzwtl
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Hey this can all go away if ole Vlad just gives 10% to the big guy.
Meanwhile let’s celebrate the ole- limp- dicks going on in the home of the man made WU Flu and global corporate espionage
Meanwhile let’s celebrate the ole- limp- dicks going on in the home of the man made WU Flu and global corporate espionage
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holdover
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Anyone know what the top speed of Russian tanks are? They have to be the slowest tanks ever made. Yesterday they were headed right for the border from the Border areas they were in and still haven't arrived yet. I wonder if they're OK?
New development:
Due to escalation of hostilities and shelling, leaders of two break-away republics of Donbass issued a call for evacuation of civilians onto the Russian territory around Rostov. All able-bodied males are urged to enlist.
Due to escalation of hostilities and shelling, leaders of two break-away republics of Donbass issued a call for evacuation of civilians onto the Russian territory around Rostov. All able-bodied males are urged to enlist.
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MothMan
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Border changes in that part of Europe is not new. The link below shows these changes with an active map. watch how many times the Ukraine is there then it isn't. My heritage is from that part of the world and I remember Mom saying her family did not really know if they were considered Polish or Ukrainian due to the many border changes.
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Poland's Territorial Changes 1635-Present - Life, Death & Rebirth - Brilliant Maps
Poland has not been one of Europe's luckiest countries.
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Russia's main objective is to roll back NATO expansion to 1997 level when it signed an agreement with NATO. Russia had no plans to invade anyone and still doesn't. Ukraine is using a stand off between Russia and NATO to recapture Donbass, knowing Russia's negotiations with NATO will suffer if Russia gets involved in Donbass.
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holdover
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spat
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She may have a point.
But, if she does, what's that say about Canada under Trudeau today ?
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Or this possibility: western intelligence is correct and Russia has now engaged in false flags.
As Biden pointed out today: why would Ukraine choose now with 100k+ troops on the border to start acting this way?
I know you’ll never admit it but putin is a piece of shit and the world will be better the day he is no longer in it. He has political opponents imprisoned and/or killed. Hopefully somebody gives him a special cup of tea some day, too: karma.
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holdover
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The thing that does'nt make sense is that Russia does'nt need to use a false flag attack as a pretext. the pretext was laid down months ago when they said remove the weapons from Ukraine or We will.
The fact that the President is saying this demonstrates to me , He is not being honest(again)
The fact that the President is saying this demonstrates to me , He is not being honest(again)
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