Ukraine government issues civilians guns

[FRANKIE]

Ukraine president says he will provide weapons to any citizen who wants to defend the country

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on all citizens who were ready to fight for the country to come forward,

sports.yahoo.com

I have added a question to this;

If we were invaded and it was out of control,
(Seemingly under this administration it most probably would be)….
How would it this play out?
Would our government issue American civilians weapons?
Would all the weapons we owned legally previously now be forgiven?
And so on and so forth

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Our founding fathers made sure this was taken care of hundreds of years ago.

 

[GTN]

Ukraine president says he will provide weapons to any citizen who wants to defend the country

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on all citizens who were ready to fight for the country to come forward,

sports.yahoo.com

I have added a question to this;

If we were invaded and it was out of control,
(Seemingly under this administration it most probably would be)….
How would it this play out?
Would our government issue American civilians weapons?
Would all the weapons we owned legally previously now be forgiven?
And so on and so forth

No I think our administration would declare marshal law and collect all private owned guns. They are that stupid!

 

[FRANKIE]

That would be our reward of staying compliant
(And no buy back cash)

 

[MothMan]

Under this admin we are being invaded and it wants to disarm us. No longer a hypothetical.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

No I think our administration would declare marshal law and collect all private owned guns. They are that stupid!

At that point you may as well just boog.

 

[libertysnake]

At this point it's too late to just issue a gun. The gun is one part, but you have to train people to mentally capable of embracing discomfort. You have to train their minds and bodies. A gun will only go so far.

 

[Egret-II]

 

[Dr. Evil]

Now we're talking.

 

[That_FNG]

I don’t think they need to issue civilians guns. If it wasn’t needed a year ago, or 5 years ago, it isn’t needed now. Civilians being issued guns at the last minute has no bearing on what Russia will do. Too little too late. If the civilians had been well armed for the last 10 years or more then maybe Russia might have had a different attitude. The Ukraine government does not want civilians to have guns (this is simply an oh shit moment) if this crisis somehow ends peacefully and Russia pulls out and does nothing more, Will Ukrainian government still want Ukrainians to have guns? I doubt it.

 

[meketrefe]

Give civilians guns in the last minute and like anyone is going to win an attrition war running around with rifles and pistols.
What s great way to waste human life.
Another idiot in chief.

 

[holdover]

Give civilians guns in the last minute and like anyone is going to win an attrition war running around with rifles and pistols.
What s great way to waste human life.
Another idiot in chief.

I dont know about that, the majority of the fighting in Iraq was in the citys and towns . Trying to take Kiev might be like trying to take Bagdad, or Fallujah. City fighting is brutal and exhausting if the population decides to fight. They will have support from Ukrainian military and outside advisors and may be pretty well armed.

Right now the Russians havent taken many large citys , Looks like they are bypassing them and moving forward.

It really depends on the heart of the Ukrainian people.

 

[Vapor]

Ew,

I wouldn't want those shitty hand me down colt m4s the government issues.


F that.


I have better gear than that.

With charging handles that enrage mosinitis at a seconds notice to boot

 

[meketrefe]

I dont know about that, the majority of the fighting in Iraq was in the citys and towns . Trying to take Kiev might be like trying to take Bagdad, or Fallujah. City fighting is brutal and exhausting if the population decides to fight. They will have support from Ukrainian military and outside advisors and may be pretty well armed.

Right now the Russians havent taken many large citys , Looks like they are bypassing them and moving forward.

It really depends on the heart of the Ukrainian people.

Among other machines there are some little buggers called attack helicopters.
All they do is point and click and anyone and their buddies running around with rifles are turned into smoke.
Modern conflicts success is not measured by total annihilation like with Sadams army but to see who endures.
That means:
-Intelligence
-Resources
-Training (lots of it)
-Communications + secrecy
-Asimetric tactics
-Resolve
-Time and lots of patiemce
-long and many times unbearable sacrifice.
--------
That is why we had no business in Afganistan in the long term.

The most important weapon people have doesnt cut or burns any powder. It is the brain and resolve.

Running around with rifles against a large trained army is suicide.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[GOPerfect]

Does she have two ears in one?

 

[FRANKIE]

Does she have two ears in one?

Lol!

 

[holdover]

Among other machines there are some little buggers called attack helicopters.
All they do is point and click and anyone and their buddies running around with rifles are turned into smoke.
Modern conflicts success is not measured by total annihilation like with Sadams army but to see who endures.
That means:
-Intelligence
-Resources
-Training (lots of it)
-Communications + secrecy
-Asimetric tactics
-Resolve
-Time and lots of patiemce
-long and many times unbearable sacrifice.
--------
That is why we had no business in Afganistan in the long term.

The most important weapon people have doesnt cut or burns any powder. It is the brain and resolve.

Running around with rifles against a large trained army is suicide.

Your saying a guerrilla war isnt winnable. I have to disagree with you there, like you said, its not the weapons , its the brains. The Vietnamese Had no airforce Navy or armor for the most part , at least in the South, they paid a heavy price but managed to bleed us for 10 years. The Iraqi Army dissolved, and became a guerrilla force.

Your right in the respect that a guerrilla force cant go toe to toe with regulars . But they dont have to.

In this case NATO is going to keep the resistance alive with stingers anti armor , most likely advisors probably and mercenaries ,


Right now there are 2 armored columns heading toward Kiev. Kiev Has a population of 3 million , If 50,000 decide to fight with the weapons they have, its going to be a major headache if they choose to fight. They may not.

We had 3 divisions in Bagdad and never really secured it. Ramadi for instance.

Shit we had the best air force and intel in the world but just couldnt cover the whole of Afganistan. and even when they did locate them they were so dam far out , that by the time the planes got there , they were often dispersed already.

And from what Im seeing here with the Russians, they are'nt as well trained or lead as US forces . Im a little surprised.

The Ukrainians retook the airport today and pretty much wiped out there air assault unit and a few birds. That operation was a total mess.
Once they lost air cover they were fucked .


I dont know, Theres a lot of factors in play , Its hard to tell how this will play out. I had expected the Russians to have over run the country by now, But they are getting bogged down in some fighting,

 

[Acer-m14]

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bet there handing out full auto ones too to the Civilians

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[spat]

Ukraine president says he will provide weapons to any citizen who wants to defend the country

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on all citizens who were ready to fight for the country to come forward,

sports.yahoo.com

I have added a question to this;

If we were invaded and it was out of control,
(Seemingly under this administration it most probably would be)….
How would it this play out?
Would our government issue American civilians weapons?
Would all the weapons we owned legally previously now be forgiven?
And so on and so forth

In the sort of situation they're in, it doesn't much matter what the government "allows". They probably won't be the government long enough to do anything about it.

Got any scores you need to settle ?

 

[spat]

Among other machines there are some little buggers called attack helicopters.
All they do is point and click and anyone and their buddies running around with rifles are turned into smoke.
Modern conflicts success is not measured by total annihilation like with Sadams army but to see who endures.
That means:
-Intelligence
-Resources
-Training (lots of it)
-Communications + secrecy
-Asimetric tactics
-Resolve
-Time and lots of patiemce
-long and many times unbearable sacrifice.
--------
That is why we had no business in Afganistan in the long term.

The most important weapon people have doesnt cut or burns any powder. It is the brain and resolve.

Running around with rifles against a large trained army is suicide.

Modern wars are won by whoever gets tired of fighting last.

That is all. A superior fighting force can make continuing to resist more painful, but it cannot eliminate a guerrilla force, ever. At best you can wear them down until they no longer have the will to fight.

So, this may come down to just how badly do the Ukrainians not want to be Russians.

 

[FRANKIE]

In the sort of situation they're in, it doesn't much matter what the government "allows". They probably won't be the government long enough to do anything about it.

Got any scores you need to settle ?

As far as the situation they’re in, pretty unfortunate, but of course better there than here. As to the latter part of your post,

“They probably won't be the government long enough to do anything about it.”

Around here in NY that would be ideal.

“Got any scores you need to settle ?”

I never met anyone who didn’t.

 

[Deplorable Me]

The Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, ISIS, Muslim radicals, they have no rules of engagement. They may opt to level cities like the Warsaw ghetto of WWII killing all inhabitants inside. Strong arm bullies with no morals. Depending on their mood the Russians could turn this into the next Rwanda or Cambodia. No help showed up to help civilians then.

 

[FRANKIE]

18,000 Kalashnikov’s handed out. They dropped any age limit to fight -Molotov cocktail’s are now legal -Russian troops couple of miles out..
Biden’s sanctions not withstanding.

 

[Grimscale]

this will push up the "civilian" body count in an effort to make Putin look worse. What better way to galvanize any fence-sitters into siding with the Ukraine?

 

[FP1201]

Ukraine president says he will provide weapons to any citizen who wants to defend the country

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on all citizens who were ready to fight for the country to come forward,

sports.yahoo.com

I have added a question to this;

If we were invaded and it was out of control,
(Seemingly under this administration it most probably would be)….
How would it this play out?
Would our government issue American civilians weapons?
Would all the weapons we owned legally previously now be forgiven?
And so on and so forth

" I'll have the M134A please and 10,000 rounds, every fifth tracer, and a pack of Beef Jerkey."

 

[kaliber]

Wolverines!

 

[togmaster]

Running around with rifles against a large trained army is suicide.

It worked in the American Revolution.

 

[FRANKIE]

" I'll have the M134A please and 10,000 rounds, every fifth tracer, and a pack of Beef Jerkey."

Lol !
There primary rifle is still the 74
So 7n6 or (7n22 if your lucky) in 5.45
I don’t know about the beef jerky!