Ukraine government issues civilians guns

[Phazer]

A stalling tactic, at best. This will result in many young, untrained, kids getting killed.

 

[Cavalry]

Lol !
There primary rifle is still the 74
So 7n6 or (7n22 if your lucky) in 5.45
I don’t know about the beef jerky!

While this is true, I would be curious to know what was given out. I am sure they still had stockpiles of AKMS after the transition to the 74 series.
I am also curious to know what ammo loadout was supplied, 2 mags and 60 rounds?

 

[livingston]

Give everyone guns ... The left has trained our young minds for the last 25 years to hate america... .. Give them a gun and they will walk it over to the other side for some crack to put in Bidens crack pipes ....

 

[Cavalry]

Ew,

I wouldn't want those shitty hand me down colt m4s the government issues.


F that.


I have better gear than that.

With charging handles that enrage mosinitis at a seconds notice to boot

It could be worse. I am sure there is still a stockpile of M16a1 and a2 floating around out there. If you are going to give them out give out something you dont care if it ever comes back.

 

[Deplorable Me]

18,000 Kalashnikov’s handed out. They dropped any age limit to fight -Molotov cocktail’s are now legal -Russian troops couple of miles out..
Biden’s sanctions not withstanding.

I'm thinking they should drop BLM and Antifa paratroopers into Moscow. They successfully occupied Portland and held off LEOs for more than a year. Throw in a few feminist Karens. Putin will be on his knees begging for mercy.

 

[SonOfSun]

It worked in the American Revolution.

Yeah, but it's different now. Different weapons and techniques. Not saying that an effective guerilla war cannot be waged, but Russia isn't out there lining up in ranks in an open field like the red coats did. War isn't the same strategically or technologically.

 

[dsdmmat]

A stalling tactic, at best. This will result in many young, untrained, kids getting killed.

Making the enemy Kill women and children is a great way to mentally fuck them up for life.

 

[libertysnake]

Yeah, but it's different now. Different weapons and techniques. Not saying that an effective guerilla war cannot be waged, but Russia isn't out there lining up in ranks in an open field like the red coats did. War isn't the same strategically or technologically.

True, but that also didn't stop the Taliban or the Vietcong from waging and essentially winning, in the long run, wars against all our technology. Small arms can win wars given enough time, persistence, and strategy. Guerilla warfare is still possible.

 

[SonOfSun]

Making the enemy Kill women and children is a great way to mentally fuck them up for life.

It's also a good way to create a festering hatred. Someone kills my wife and/or kids... if I'm still around my new life's goal is to fuck them up as badly as I can - and I'd spend a lifetime to do the most damage that I can.

 

[livingston]

It's also a good way to create a festering hatred. Someone kills my wife and/or kids... if I'm still around my new life's goal is to fuck them up as badly as I can - and I'd spend a lifetime to do the most damage that I can.

This is why they have "reeducation camps "..

 

[holdover]

Yeah, but it's different now. Different weapons and techniques. Not saying that an effective guerilla war cannot be waged, but Russia isn't out there lining up in ranks in an open field like the red coats did. War isn't the same strategically or technologically.

AHHHHHHHH, You fell for the Classic mistake, Its different this time we have xxxxxxx.

People fight wars, weapons dont. Reminds me of the movie Gardens of stone, theres a discussion about the Vietnam war.



Pvt. Jackie Willow : Trouble?

Sarge, we beat King George
when we were the guerrillas,

Sergeant Major Nelson: (James Earl Jones)
- and we beat Hitler.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And... and we beat
everybody in between.

Pvt. Jackie Willow :
Now, we're not gonna go out
and lose the first one

to a bunch of gutty little
Asian farmers.

Sergeant Major Nelson: (James Earl Jones)

Yeah?

You take a look at that farmer.

He can march a hundred miles
on no food,

through jungle
you would not believe,

slaughter his own people,
babies if he has to,

and that is a soldier.

Pvt. Jackie Willow :
Firepower. He can't keep
soaking up our firepower.

I saw a photo, wire photo.

One of our choppers coming
back with arrows in it.

Arrows!

High-tech helicopters.

How do you beat a helicopter
with bows and arrows?( laughing)

Sergeant Major Nelson: (James Earl Jones)

How you gonna beat an enemy
that fights helicopters
with bows and arrows?

Conan the Barbarian

What is steel compared to the hand that weilds it?

It is by will and belief that the flesh is motivated to wield the sword. Human will and conviction Taliban fought us 20 years with no air cover until we had to quit. There's nothing new under the sun.

 

[FRANKIE]

While this is true, I would be curious to know what was given out. I am sure they still had stockpiles of AKMS after the transition to the 74 series.
I am also curious to know what ammo loadout was supplied, 2 mags and 60 rounds?

You are correct about the AKMS and as far as 7.62X39 around, they still have a bunch of SKS’s
Around. But the ammo load out? I just hope it’s not like Stalingrad.
One rifle and a few stripper clips to every other man. When he falls you pick it up and carry on. Tough times indeed.

 

[RedBreast21]

It appears to me that a long protracted guerilla war favors the home team. We came out on top but have lost every foreign one since then.

 

[Acer-m14]

from this bbc reporter they handed out 18,000 so far ..

 

[Blimey]

Your saying a guerrilla war isnt winnable. I have to disagree with you there, like you said, its not the weapons , its the brains. The Vietnamese Had no airforce Navy or armor for the most part , at least in the South, they paid a heavy price but managed to bleed us for 10 years. The Iraqi Army dissolved, and became a guerrilla force.

Your right in the respect that a guerrilla force cant go toe to toe with regulars . But they dont have to.

In this case NATO is going to keep the resistance alive with stingers anti armor , most likely advisors probably and mercenaries ,


Right now there are 2 armored columns heading toward Kiev. Kiev Has a population of 3 million , If 50,000 decide to fight with the weapons they have, its going to be a major headache if they choose to fight. They may not.

We had 3 divisions in Bagdad and never really secured it. Ramadi for instance.

Shit we had the best air force and intel in the world but just couldnt cover the whole of Afganistan. and even when they did locate them they were so dam far out , that by the time the planes got there , they were often dispersed already.

And from what Im seeing here with the Russians, they are'nt as well trained or lead as US forces . Im a little surprised.

The Ukrainians retook the airport today and pretty much wiped out there air assault unit and a few birds. That operation was a total mess.
Once they lost air cover they were fucked .


I dont know, Theres a lot of factors in play , Its hard to tell how this will play out. I had expected the Russians to have over run the country by now, But they are getting bogged down in some fighting,

I expected them to take out Ukraine military in 2-3 days. Even if Kiev falls imminently it appears the Ukrainians will continue to fight that and force the fascists to endure heavy losses.

As for Russians the lesson was driven home to me in the first gulf war: quality over quantity. The kill ratio between USA and Iraq was like a video game. It came down simply to training and technology. The latter is inextricably linked to economy. Russia has a weak economy, globally speaking. Their tech is old. Not all of it, but enough that they would never fare well against the west in an all out fight.

I believe now part of the reason they are sending these surplus t72 into combat is to avoid as much as possible the west seeing how easy their best tanks are to take out. Stingers and javelins appear to be doing good work.

 

[Acer-m14]

with all Tanks .. all you have to do is blow the track off the drive sprocket .. then its a sitting duck

 

[holdover]

I expected them to take out Ukraine military in 2-3 days. Even if Kiev falls imminently it appears the Ukrainians will continue to fight that and force the fascists to endure heavy losses.

As for Russians the lesson was driven home to me in the first gulf war: quality over quantity. The kill ratio between USA and Iraq was like a video game. It came down simply to training and technology. The latter is inextricably linked to economy. Russia has a weak economy, globally speaking. Their tech is old. Not all of it, but enough that they would never fare well against the west in an all out fight.

I believe now part of the reason they are sending these surplus t72 into combat is to avoid as much as possible the west seeing how easy their best tanks are to take out. Stingers and javelins appear to be doing good work.

I expected the Russians to go through them like we did in Iraq. Thier equipments not bad. Thier leadership is. when I saw that whole Air assault brigade get wiped out at the airport. because they had no air cover, I was appalled! You can bet that general is looking for work right now. Thats inexcusable. The US would never have done it like that. they were also being stopped at bridges where an air assault could have taken and held the bridge for a few hours until the army arrived. Some of the stuff they did was really questionable . Ive heard of tanks running out of gas ! WTF? Are they going to be able to keep the infantry supplied with bullets with all that heavy fighting?

Im hearing about a lot of aircraft being shot down but I havent seen much footage of it. Im wondering how much is just bullshit.

If what they are saying is true the Russians cannot sustain those losses for weeks without slowing down.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[Grimscale]

The US would never have done it like that.

After seeing the debacle in Afghanistan, I firmly believe this crop of generals are quite capable of screwing it up that badly.
Thanks to Dementia Joe and the Ho I have little faith our military could wipe out a Girl Scout troop.

 

[Blimey]

I expected the Russians to go through them like we did in Iraq. Thier equipments not bad. Thier leadership is. when I saw that whole Air assault brigade get wiped out at the airport. because they had no air cover, I was appalled! You can bet that general is looking for work right now. Thats inexcusable. The US would never have done it like that. they were also being stopped at bridges where an air assault could have taken and held the bridge for a few hours until the army arrived. Some of the stuff they did was really questionable . Ive heard of tanks running out of gas ! WTF? Are they going to be able to keep the infantry supplied with bullets with all that heavy fighting?

Im hearing about a lot of aircraft being shot down but I havent seen much footage of it. Im wondering how much is just bullshit.

If what they are saying is true the Russians cannot sustain those losses for weeks without slowing down.

Ukraine claiming something like 3500 deaths now of russian troops.

I couldn't even begin to guess how accurate that, or any other such numbers are.

What we do know is that two days ago russia claimed to have neutralized Ukraine's air defense. The stinger missiles that continue to take out russian air take issue with these claims. Low flying aircraft are being popped off by stingers and due to the immense mobility of this system they will continue to do so. As long as ukranian allies have access to the west we will continue to see fresh stock of these given to ukranian defense.

I think mini hitler done fucked up here. Every day this goes on he loses more troops and increases the risk of things like that high quality video posted today of a missile hitting an apartment building. He also knows that nato is watching very closely, and we're seeing just how effective his military is or is not. Each day he will lose, not gain support at home. Families wondering why their conscripted sons are going off to die for mini hitler. Meanwhile each day zelensky hangs around and says I'm not leaving he becomes more of a legend.

 

[holdover]

You know, the propaganda level is so high that its hard to ascertain what is going on .

 

[holdover]

After seeing the debacle in Afghanistan, I firmly believe this crop of generals are quite capable of screwing it up that badly.
Thanks to Dementia Joe and the Ho I have little faith our military could wipe out a Girl Scout troop.

You could be right. But our doctrine was sound , at least it was.

 

[holdover]

Old video from 2014
showing civilians attacking armored vehicles with molotov cocktails. These people have heart.

 

[FRANKIE]

Tank vs car

Videos show military vehicle crushing a moving car in Ukraine, driver surviving

The viral videos captured the moment in Kyiv when good Samaritans can be seen trying to free a man from the wreckage.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[ManualF150]

 

[Egret-II]

The hypocrisy of the left has no limits

 

[ManualF150]

I have a problem with this. Why aren't we getting guns first - per our tax dollars?

I want to go ask Brandon, where is my gun that my tax dollars paid for so I can protect my country?

How is it that foreigners get the red carpet rolled out to them, but you and I don't get crap?

I suppose we'll all need to wait until the tables are turned, and there is a foreign adversary running rampant in our country.

 

[Blimey]

Tank vs car

Videos show military vehicle crushing a moving car in Ukraine, driver surviving

The viral videos captured the moment in Kyiv when good Samaritans can be seen trying to free a man from the wreckage.

www.nbcnews.com

Seen more more angles (i saw more vid) I thought at first this was a russian tank but it is possibly that it was chasing down a different armored vehicle. In the other video I saw the other vehicle got taken out by ukranians and this came up behind and crashed almost immediately after--this "tank" may also have been ukranian and the driver was alarmed by gun fire happening right next to him. After he runs over the car he stays in the area and the troop on the ground who had just shot to death some people was not concerned about this armored vehicle behind him.

A very poorly written way of saying this may have been an accidental friendly fire scenario.

 

[Egret-II]

I have a problem with this. Why aren't we getting guns first - per our tax dollars?

I want to go ask Brandon, where is my gun that my tax dollars paid for so I can protect my country?

How is it that foreigners get the red carpet rolled out to them, but you and I don't get crap?

I suppose we'll all need to wait until the tables are turned, and there is a foreign adversary running rampant in our country.

As cruel as this sounds. I think Republicans should prevent our tax payer's money to be used to buy weapons for another country until our Second Ammendment right is granted to every single American. And I dont mean a restricted license. I want constitutional carry. In all states!!

 

[ManualF150]

As cruel as this sounds. I think Republicans should prevent our tax payer's money to be used to buy weapons for another country until our Second Ammendment right is granted to every single American. And I dont mean a restricted license. I want constitutional carry. In all states!!

I would totally be up for that. Totally agree.