BerettaGuy
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Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Steal2B
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Worse than that. I would say three up to maybe six.
Bigfoot
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On FOX News they are talking about how Putin is not acting like himself.
That something is wrong with him. Most of you have probably already heard that angle being played.
Anyways, FOX actually had this on the bottom rocker or ticker whatever it's called.
"Did the pandemic drive Putin mad?"
LOL the news should not be labeled the news. I'm not sure what the correct word would be.
But what I watch on TV is not the news.
That something is wrong with him. Most of you have probably already heard that angle being played.
Anyways, FOX actually had this on the bottom rocker or ticker whatever it's called.
"Did the pandemic drive Putin mad?"
LOL the news should not be labeled the news. I'm not sure what the correct word would be.
But what I watch on TV is not the news.
All the more reason when the government tells citizens "not to worry" that is prepper code for "load up ASAP".
Soooooo many people get trapped thinking in terms of normalcy bias. They can't possibly imagine their government is deliberately lying to them to prevent panic and that unimaginable bad things might be coming tomorrow just because today is a good day. People have a mental cognitive dissonance where they just can't associate that tomorrow can be completely different from today. People are really bad at making their own judgement and even those who saw the signs of a Russian invasion with their own eyes and formed their own conclusion that an invasion was coming likely did nothing different for fear of being ridiculed by others who don't.
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As I started saying earlier in the thread...
What happens when all of western media pumps out the same narrative that Putin is unstable with his finger on the nuclear button???
What rabbit hole does that inevitably lead to?
That was German investigation, not Russian. When Russians did investigate it decades later, they admitted it. Germans uncovered around 5,000 bodies, somehow this number grew with each decade.
FNC has become the most dangerous source of disinfo, since so many trust it to be the only "fair & balanced" right wing network. lol
People following Fox after coverage of the 2020 election are deluded.
Fox was giddy calling states prematurely for Xiden.
And they shut down talks of Soros’ control.
They’re swamp controlled opposition trash.
People following Fox after coverage of the 2020 election are deluded.
Fox was giddy calling states prematurely for Xiden.
And they shut down talks of Soros’ control.
They’re swamp controlled opposition trash.
Yes. Except they aren't the same. Biden isn't what I would consider evil. He's incompetent, but I wouldn't call him outright evil. Putin has degraded faculties but is also what I would consider evil.
@Mosinitis was correct. This story is now being picked up in western media.
www.yahoo.com
There is some serious Orwellian 1984 ministry of truth shit going on
Snake Island Border Guards Who Told Russian Warship to ‘Go F*** Yourself’ Are Alive, Ukrainian Navy Says
The Ukrainian border guards presumed to have been killed in action on Snake Island are now believed to have been captured by Russian forces.
There is some serious Orwellian 1984 ministry of truth shit going on
1341
.45 acp
So a Russian investigation will be as good as the German investigation or not. If not then explain
I think the "putin is unhinged" story is also disinformation.@Mosinitis was correct. This story is now being picked up in western media.
Snake Island Border Guards Who Told Russian Warship to ‘Go F*** Yourself’ Are Alive, Ukrainian Navy Says
The Ukrainian border guards presumed to have been killed in action on Snake Island are now believed to have been captured by Russian forces.
There is some serious Orwellian 1984 ministry of truth shit going on
Marco Rubio goes on tv and says he can't share "classified intel" but then goes right on and.....shares classified intel regarding putin. This is to me is such obvious propaganda. It doesn't mean I think the russians should have invaded or that I am a putin fan. It is ironic that with 24/7 cable news and all kinds of smartphones/recording devices we still don't have an accurate picture of what is going on.
Deplorable Me
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Blowing smoke up our asses 4.0:
Global warming, climate change, gun control, racism, sexism, election rigging, Covid scamdemic, Ukraine invasion.
Orwell probably wishes he was a FFL.
Global warming, climate change, gun control, racism, sexism, election rigging, Covid scamdemic, Ukraine invasion.
Orwell probably wishes he was a FFL.
Steal2B
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I would not say any of the major cable or mainstream media are less dangerous. Because of higher viewership of the intellectually lazy, the mainstream news and big social media is more dangerous.
I also believe many FNC viewers understand that FNC news programing is left of American heartland center (especially after Paul Ryan was placed on the board, Soros associated celebs were promoted, and the Murdoch kids with their liberal in-laws became more involved). FNC does still have commentator celebrities whose opinion shows are to the right of the mainstream.
BerettaGuy
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I always notice Blinkin has the same, no life pupil creepy eyes.
It means Russia is sick of the heavy losses and slow progress. They are about to take the gloves off
Your initial statement was based on ignorance. You assumed that Russians investigated it at the time when they denied it. Russians didn't have the access to Katyn forest, it was under German occupation. If you want to discuss Katyn and controversies around it, start another thread.
A Russian media outlet supposedly posted this briefly over the weekend. They took it down because it was supposed to be posted AFTER the Ukraine was secured by Russia. The wayback machine has it here if you can read Russian: Наступление России и нового мира
This supposedly is the translation:
A new world is born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine opened a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, intra-Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but it is worth talking about separately a little later.
Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a high price, yes, through the tragic events of the virtual civil war, because now brothers separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies are still shooting at each other - but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness by gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in all its totality of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had refused this, allowed the temporary division to gain a foothold for centuries, we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants - for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.
Vladimir Putin assumed - without a drop of exaggeration - historical responsibility, deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian issue to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost to put pressure on us in the West, is only the second most important among them.
The first would always be a complex of a divided people, a complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then had to accept the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon your history, agreeing with the crazy versions that "only Ukraine is real Russia," or powerlessly grind your teeth, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." It would be more and more difficult to return Ukraine, that is, to turn it back to Russia, every decade - transcoding, derusification of Russians and setting up against Russian Little Russians-Ukrainians, would gain momentum. And if full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine was consolidated, its return to Russia would be impossible at all - it would have to fight the Atlantic bloc for it.
Now there is no problem - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be eliminated, but it will be rebuilt, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be solved after the end of the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia is put. In any case, the period of split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And this is where the second dimension of the coming new era begins - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees Russia's return to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although deep down he must confess to himself that it could not have been otherwise.
Did anyone in the old European capitals, Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would abandon Kiev? In the fact that the Russians will always be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe unites, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control over European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and gather a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which took place according to the Russian good (albeit not very clever) will. After that, swinging at Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe alone, did not have the strength to keep in its sphere of influence, much less take Ukraine. In order not to understand this, you had to be just geopolitical fools.
More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it didn't work should have become clear twenty years ago. And fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is coming back.
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for returning, for not justified its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing it to expand the western space to the east. In an effort to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are vital for us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who govern the West. No Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. Losses from the sublimation of confrontation will be on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, increasing the degree of confrontation brings huge costs - and the main ones are not economic at all.
Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German European integration project does not make strategic sense while maintaining Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. And it can't be successful because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But obtaining autonomy is also necessary for Europe for another reason - in case the States moves to self-isolation (as a result of increasing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focuses on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.
But the confrontation with Russia, in which the Anglo-Saxons draw Europe, deprives Europeans of even chances of independence - not to mention the fact that Europe is trying to impose a break with China in the same way. If now the Atlantists rejoice that the "Russian threat" will rally the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot help but understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new Iron Curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a pen for Europe. Whose century (or rather half a millennium) of global leadership is over anyway - but various options for its future are still possible.
Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are increasingly emerging through the spreading cover of globalization in Anglo-Saxon. The multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not able to rally against Russia except the West. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, it is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlantists, it is Russia's return to its historical space and its place in the world.
China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West is leading the world order, much less establishing the rules of the game. Russia has not just challenged the West - it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally completed. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers by forces, of course, together with the West (one or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.
This supposedly is the translation:
A new world is born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine opened a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, intra-Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but it is worth talking about separately a little later.
Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a high price, yes, through the tragic events of the virtual civil war, because now brothers separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies are still shooting at each other - but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness by gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in all its totality of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had refused this, allowed the temporary division to gain a foothold for centuries, we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants - for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.
Vladimir Putin assumed - without a drop of exaggeration - historical responsibility, deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian issue to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost to put pressure on us in the West, is only the second most important among them.
The first would always be a complex of a divided people, a complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then had to accept the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon your history, agreeing with the crazy versions that "only Ukraine is real Russia," or powerlessly grind your teeth, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." It would be more and more difficult to return Ukraine, that is, to turn it back to Russia, every decade - transcoding, derusification of Russians and setting up against Russian Little Russians-Ukrainians, would gain momentum. And if full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine was consolidated, its return to Russia would be impossible at all - it would have to fight the Atlantic bloc for it.
Now there is no problem - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be eliminated, but it will be rebuilt, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be solved after the end of the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia is put. In any case, the period of split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And this is where the second dimension of the coming new era begins - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees Russia's return to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although deep down he must confess to himself that it could not have been otherwise.
Did anyone in the old European capitals, Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would abandon Kiev? In the fact that the Russians will always be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe unites, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control over European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and gather a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which took place according to the Russian good (albeit not very clever) will. After that, swinging at Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe alone, did not have the strength to keep in its sphere of influence, much less take Ukraine. In order not to understand this, you had to be just geopolitical fools.
More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it didn't work should have become clear twenty years ago. And fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is coming back.
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for returning, for not justified its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing it to expand the western space to the east. In an effort to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are vital for us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who govern the West. No Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. Losses from the sublimation of confrontation will be on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, increasing the degree of confrontation brings huge costs - and the main ones are not economic at all.
Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German European integration project does not make strategic sense while maintaining Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. And it can't be successful because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But obtaining autonomy is also necessary for Europe for another reason - in case the States moves to self-isolation (as a result of increasing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focuses on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.
But the confrontation with Russia, in which the Anglo-Saxons draw Europe, deprives Europeans of even chances of independence - not to mention the fact that Europe is trying to impose a break with China in the same way. If now the Atlantists rejoice that the "Russian threat" will rally the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot help but understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new Iron Curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a pen for Europe. Whose century (or rather half a millennium) of global leadership is over anyway - but various options for its future are still possible.
Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are increasingly emerging through the spreading cover of globalization in Anglo-Saxon. The multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not able to rally against Russia except the West. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, it is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlantists, it is Russia's return to its historical space and its place in the world.
China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West is leading the world order, much less establishing the rules of the game. Russia has not just challenged the West - it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally completed. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers by forces, of course, together with the West (one or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.
There are a lot of people talking about this.
Seems like this narrative is opening up.
1341
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Actually you base your response on ignorance. You assumed I was talking about the Russian denial during ww2. I was referring to your claims of a Russian conducted investigation into the donbass.
I keep reading that Putin is a monster and that he is evil.
No one explains these terms and what exactly he is doing that is evil.
Blimey
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Her just invaded a nation that did not attack him and his military is now killing its military, its people, and its infrastructure.
He did not do this for altruistic reasons. Thus = evil.
We did the same in years past.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea. I can add more to this list.
What other evils?
I am not defending him, lots of assumptions and inuendos
BerettaGuy
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IN Putins mind, The "WEST" (you know, that last bastion of white supremacy) has become deeply divided and descended into cultural degeneracy. Thereby creating a vacuum.
Putin saw his opportunity to fill that vacuum. China is watching and waiting.
The "WEST" has everything now riding on Ukraine. This is all about "You, Me, Us" and the future of you me, and us. Call it a Great Reset or the NWO or whatever you want.
To pretend like it is not going to affect you, or you are too good to be concerned, remember that when you go to pay for gas. (and everything else). My biggest fear is Brandon at the State of the Union. He is deeply invested in the cultural degenerates and my fear is he will say something stupid ramping up the probability of a nuclear war. (Then the price of gas won't matter).
Putin saw his opportunity to fill that vacuum. China is watching and waiting.
The "WEST" has everything now riding on Ukraine. This is all about "You, Me, Us" and the future of you me, and us. Call it a Great Reset or the NWO or whatever you want.
To pretend like it is not going to affect you, or you are too good to be concerned, remember that when you go to pay for gas. (and everything else). My biggest fear is Brandon at the State of the Union. He is deeply invested in the cultural degenerates and my fear is he will say something stupid ramping up the probability of a nuclear war. (Then the price of gas won't matter).
Blimey
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That's called whataboutism. A propaganda technique the soviets have employed often. Iraq is not the topic here. My opinion is george bush, powell, etc. should have been brought up on criminal charges for iraq but that's another thread.
You win, whatever.....
Vapor
.308 Win
I feel like I at least need to drunk to read this thread.
It is...interesting to say the least.
It is...interesting to say the least.