Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

So you're GTG out in the desert then!

Well, if I finally get my solar and well installed maybe.

And get a decent garden going.

But nobody really understands what things will be like with a supply chain collapse.

Try finishing any project without a run to home depot or something.

Going to be a real bummer when you've got some important project and you can't finish it for 6 months because you're out of 10mm nuts.

 

[Blimey]

Well, if I finally get my solar and well installed maybe.

And get a decent garden going.

But nobody really understands what things will be like with a supply chain collapse.

Try finishing any project without a run to home depot or something.

Going to be a real bummer when you've got some important project and you can't finish it for 6 months because you're out of 10mm nuts.

I think my record is three trips in one day. MAYBE four. Home Depot needs drone delivery for little nuts and bolts and things.

 

[Blimey]

Latest development on the migs, from Poland gov.

TLDR we give them cheap f16s Ukraine gets free migs.

Statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland in connection with the statement by the US Secretary of State on providing airplanes to Ukraine - Ministry of Foreign Affairs Republic of Poland - Gov.pl website

www.gov.pl

 

[holdover]

This looks like were going to war. Cant believe Im even saying this. The build up is happening. Pieces are being moved.

 

[Defilade]

 

[Defilade]

Pentagon Funded Bio-Weapons Labs in the Ukraine? [VIDEO]

"Evidence shows dozens of NATO funded bio-labs surrounding Russia" - Greg Reese U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, Biological Threat Reduction Program:

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Pentagon Funded Bio-Weapons Labs in the Ukraine? [VIDEO]
"Evidence shows dozens of NATO funded bio-labs surrounding Russia" - Greg Reese U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, Biological Threat Reduction Program:

 

[Defilade]

 

[spat]

This looks like were going to war. Cant believe Im even saying this. The build up is happening. Pieces are being moved.

Pretty sure that was inevitable once Putin moved into Ukraine.

All the people trying appeasement are the reason he moved in. People think you avoid war by acquiescing to your enemies. It's the opposite. That encourages war. The logic of "don't negotiate with terrorists" applies no matter who they are or what the stakes are.

The less they think you are prepared for war, the more likely it is to happen.

 

[Steal2B]

Latest development on the migs, from Poland gov.

TLDR we give them cheap f16s Ukraine gets free migs.

Statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland in connection with the statement by the US Secretary of State on providing airplanes to Ukraine - Ministry of Foreign Affairs Republic of Poland - Gov.pl website

www.gov.pl

I am not sure the reports issued for consumption are true. Some claim that the various releases are on going negotiating by brain dead politicians (without military input from Ukraine, Poland, or the US) through the public media.

There are significant logistic and technical issues that are ignored by diplomats / politicians. The US base command office has no communication that Polish migs would arrive, the Polish Migs Avionics and controls are different with Ukraine flight crews having no parts or maintenance experience, the Russians have just blown up the civilian runways rumored to receive the Polish Migs ...

 

[SonOfSun]

Latest development on the migs, from Poland gov.

TLDR we give them cheap f16s Ukraine gets free migs.

Statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland in connection with the statement by the US Secretary of State on providing airplanes to Ukraine - Ministry of Foreign Affairs Republic of Poland - Gov.pl website

www.gov.pl

I'm accepting cheap f16s.

 

[enigma]

Russia to ban certain raw material exports

 

[SonOfSun]

Pretty sure that was inevitable once Putin moved into Ukraine.

All the people trying appeasement are the reason he moved in. People think you avoid war by acquiescing to your enemies. It's the opposite. That encourages war. The logic of "don't negotiate with terrorists" applies no matter who they are or what the stakes are.

The less they think you are prepared for war, the more likely it is to happen.

Trying to avoid it is not the same thing as not being prepared.

I keep my outside spot lights on at night - no motion detection nonsense.
I have some cameras positioned where an intruder would notice them.
I have hardened doors/jambs and small lower floor windows.
I have a proper monitored alarm system.

I try to discourage a break in through these actions.... however, break in and find out what happens. Don't confuse trying to avoid a confrontation with being indecisive if one happens. Trial by 12 > carried by 6.

 

[livingston]

Crossing The Ukraine - Poland Border | What The Media Aren't Showing (CONFRONTING)​

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[livingston]

Crossing Ukraine, Poland Border, What to Expect, To Exchange Money, Free Transport (Walkthrough)​

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[holdover]

American Islandman

@N76247476Man

My sister is an oil and gas attorney and she told me this morning that they are projecting gas to be 10.00 to 13.00 dollars a gallon by thanksgiving.

 

[Steal2B]

They probably think that is a good solution to anthropogenic global warming

Libs should re-watch their 8 minute anthem clip they kept sharing when Trump ran against Hillary.

 

[prambo]

Not to mention where are all the cars going to come from. You cant find them now with the chip shirtages, nevermind if there is a run on hybrids. That will also flood the market with used vehicles and lower the trade in value. Our economy is already in the toilet and its going to get alot worse.

Exactly as planned by SS Obergruppenfuhrer Schwab.

 

[prambo]

The less they think you are prepared for war, the more likely it is to happen.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

 

[holdover]

Pretty sure that was inevitable once Putin moved into Ukraine.

All the people trying appeasement are the reason he moved in. People think you avoid war by acquiescing to your enemies. It's the opposite. That encourages war. The logic of "don't negotiate with terrorists" applies no matter who they are or what the stakes are.

The less they think you are prepared for war, the more likely it is to happen.

Hardly inevitable. Ukraine should have been nuetral from the start. The US didnt have to feed the Chinese false intell that they were planning to let Ukraine in NATO. That was a scumbag move . The US could have backed out and said , no we never meant that. Ukraine is fine. NATO can avoid ww3 by minding thier own business. They wanted this war. they pushed for it. Between WW3 and losing Ukraine, Im going to go ahead and lose Ukraine. But thats me I guess. WW3 will see blood in our streets and citys , for what? For Ukraine?

After their performance in Ukraine, Europe has nothing to worry about a Russia invasion. The emperor has no clothes , they dont have the army to do it.

 

[Toecutter]

 

[SonOfSun]

Just cut Russia off from the world like North Korea.

 

[spat]

Trying to avoid it is not the same thing as not being prepared.

I keep my outside spot lights on at night - no motion detection nonsense.
I have some cameras positioned where an intruder would notice them.
I have hardened doors/jambs and small lower floor windows.
I have a proper monitored alarm system.

I try to discourage a break in through these actions.... however, break in and find out what happens. Don't confuse trying to avoid a confrontation with being indecisive if one happens. Trial by 12 > carried by 6.

That's true.

But the Biden regime has telegraphed to every tin pot dictator in the world that his response to bad behavior will be attempted bribery.

You might as well have sent Vlad an invitation.

 

[spat]

Hardly inevitable. Ukraine should have been nuetral from the start. The US didnt have to feed the Chinese false intell that they were planning to let Ukraine in NATO. That was a scumbag move . The US could have backed out and said , no we never meant that. Ukraine is fine. NATO can avoid ww3 by minding thier own business. They wanted this war. they pushed for it. Between WW3 and losing Ukraine, Im going to go ahead and lose Ukraine. But thats me I guess. WW3 will see blood in our streets and citys , for what? For Ukraine?

After their performance in Ukraine, Europe has nothing to worry about a Russia invasion. The emperor has no clothes , they dont have the army to do it.

Honestly they should have kept the whole thing secret until it was announced that Ukraine was already a member entitled to full NATO protection.

Russia has no right to deny Ukraine the right to join whatever alliance it wants to.

 

[Phazer]

Libs should re-watch their 8 minute anthem clip they kept sharing when Trump ran against Hillary.

Following the airing of "The Day After," local media came to our junior high school and asked students what they thought of the broadcast and about the threat of nuclear war.

 

[spat]

All the people suggesting appeasement now are the reason the invasion happened at all.

If Putin didn't believe you would get your way, he would have kept his toys at home.

Your attempts to avoid war are the reason we have one.

 

[Phazer]

Hardly inevitable. Ukraine should have been nuetral from the start. The US didnt have to feed the Chinese false intell that they were planning to let Ukraine in NATO. That was a scumbag move . The US could have backed out and said , no we never meant that. Ukraine is fine. NATO can avoid ww3 by minding thier own business. They wanted this war. they pushed for it. Between WW3 and losing Ukraine, Im going to go ahead and lose Ukraine. But thats me I guess. WW3 will see blood in our streets and citys , for what? For Ukraine?

After their performance in Ukraine, Europe has nothing to worry about a Russia invasion. The emperor has no clothes , they dont have the army to do it.

Time to negotiate. Regardless of right or wrong, time to de-escalate and stop the killing.

Ukraine is going to have to give up their eastern territories which reportedly align with Russia, anyway. Ukraine is going to have to promise never to join NATO. Russia is going to have to withdraw all forces from Ukrainian territory and keep out of Ukrainian elections.

Western allies can eventually give Ukraine good deals on defensive equipment to keep themselves safe in the future.

 

[livingston]

This is beyond ridiculous. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announces a $14 billion Ukraine aid package will come over from the House of Representatives inside a massive Joe Biden Ominbus spending bill, because there is no budget process being followed.
The Democrats know the Senate Republicans want to send Ukraine a bunch of money to continue funding the graft, kickback and payment schemes used by the Senate in order to enrich their donors and families. So, Nancy Pelosi takes the massive Omnibus spending bill to fund the Biden agenda and inserts the $14 billion Ukraine package she knows the Republican Senators will vote for. WATCH:

It’s a typical UniParty manuever. The Republicans cannot be seen on record funding Biden’s agenda, so wink-wink, nod-nod, adding the Ukraine aid gives the Republicans political cover. Mitch, and the DeceptiCons,will now say they had to vote for Biden’s massive spending Omnibus because it’s the only way they could get the money to support the babies in Ukraine.
A vote against the Joe Biden massive Omnibus spending package is a vote to kill the Ukrainian people by not sending them $14 billion.

House Democrats shut down the government over President Trump’s buget request for $10 billion to build the southern border wall, but House Democrats can prioritize $14 billion in deficit spending to protect the borders of Ukraine. See the agenda?

McConnell Says House Will Send $14 Billion Ukraine Aid Package to Senate in Massive Omnibus Spending Bill - The Last Refuge

This is beyond ridiculous. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announces a $14 billion Ukraine aid package will come over from the House of Representatives inside a massive Joe Biden Ominbus spending bill, because there is no budget process being followed. The Democrats know the Senate...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[spat]

Time to negotiate. Regardless of right or wrong, time to de-escalate and stop the killing.

Ukraine is going to have to give up their eastern territories which reportedly align with Russia, anyway. Ukraine is going to have to promise never to join NATO. Russia is going to have to withdraw all forces from Ukrainian territory and keep out of Ukrainian elections.

Western allies can eventually give Ukraine good deals on defensive equipment to keep themselves safe in the future.

Give Putin all of that, and he'll be back for more by fall.

Wonder what China's bill will be for delaying their attack in Taiwain.

You do not want to reward this behavior. You will guarantee you'll see more of it.

 

[1341]

Time to negotiate. Regardless of right or wrong, time to de-escalate and stop the killing.

Ukraine is going to have to give up their eastern territories which reportedly align with Russia, anyway. Ukraine is going to have to promise never to join NATO. Russia is going to have to withdraw all forces from Ukrainian territory and keep out of Ukrainian elections.

Western allies can eventually give Ukraine good deals on defensive equipment to keep themselves safe in the future.

It takes 2 to tango and right now neither side will agree to those terms. The Ukrainians are happy to receive western aid and bleed the Russians dry. The Russians are starting to realize that subduing the Ukrainians is not going to be easy and they are going to have to do whatever it takes to crush them.
Unfortunately if we want this to stop we might have to ask (gagging) the other superpower in the room to help mediate a ceasefire.
If that happens we all know who (china) will come out looking like the only adult in the room.

 

[holdover]

Statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland in connection with the statement by the US Secretary of State on providing airplanes to Ukraine - Ministry of Foreign Affairs Republic of Poland - Gov.pl website

www.gov.pl