You won't see this on your TV set.
Every coin has two sides.
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Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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I like James and that was tough to watch.
John brought up some interesting points which have merit in not being used as a propoganda pawn.
livingston
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Putin's Road to War: Julia Ioffe (interview) | FRONTLINE
Could watch her all dayShe's an amazing woman. Born in Moscow, her family emigrated to the U.S. when she was 7 years old.
Let me see if I understand some of this.
A little while ago the U.S. managed a coup in the Ukraine and installed a puppet government that allowed our high level politicians a place for their corruption and greed.
This puppet government is overthrown and a man installed that promised to end the corruption and foreign control.
So the U.S. "leaks" to China that the Ukraine is joining NATO, instigating an invasion from Russia, which would justify entrance of the U.S. in the conflict where they can throw Russia out and set up a new puppet government.
Have I missed anything?
A little while ago the U.S. managed a coup in the Ukraine and installed a puppet government that allowed our high level politicians a place for their corruption and greed.
This puppet government is overthrown and a man installed that promised to end the corruption and foreign control.
So the U.S. "leaks" to China that the Ukraine is joining NATO, instigating an invasion from Russia, which would justify entrance of the U.S. in the conflict where they can throw Russia out and set up a new puppet government.
Have I missed anything?
That's about how I understand the situation.
That's why I've stated a few times I think NATO / US is provoking the situation. I've said the governments involved all suck and it's the citizens who will suffer.
That we leaked the information to China alone should be treasonous with people lined up against a wall.
This administration is actually destabilizing the entire world and pushing us to the brink of ww3. But hey it sure beats those mean tweets. I'm glad America is respected again.
No need to steal, any demonrats will sell it to them, think gore, clinton, kerry.
Vapor
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Except German reunification went quite swiftly with very little western interference.
I would say this is going more like the first Winter war did. It won't be over quickly.
spat
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German reunification was entirely voluntary.
That's the whole difference here.
NATO is expanding by offering countries something entice them into wanting to join.
Russia is conquering them against their will by force.
Ironically Russia's aggression is precisely what is driving countries to join NATO.
If Russia hadn't taken Crimea and Georgia, Ukraine probably wouldn't have been interested in NATO at all.
If Russia had behaved themselves, NATO would have atrophied and died from lack of purpose.
Blimey
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U.S. Senate unanimously condemns Putin as war criminal
The U.S. Senate on Tuesday unanimously passed a resolution condemning Russian President Vladimir Putin as a war criminal, a rare show of unity in the deeply divided Congress.
www.reuters.com
Maybe if the US didn't overthrow a government and install a puppet then built bioweapons labs on Russia's border Russia would have behaved themselves.
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Blimey
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You put your faith in the reason of a guy who kills political opponents, imprisons those who protest, and has spent decades running sham elections, and murdering civilians.
There are no bioweapons labs on the border. You've already had this explained to you. The USA dumped its bioweapons decades ago and now it runs illegal bioweapon labs in a marginal-allied country, right on the border of Russia, and then during a multi-month build up of Russian forces it somehow forgot to remove the stocks? How gullible can you be? That was a rhetorical question.
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The Saudis are taking a calculated risk. China's economy is "officially" growing but everyone knows their statistics are made up. The Chinese also have a debt problem that is 10x - 100x worse than ours. The Saudis need the Chinese currency to be as easy to convert as the dollar for any change to make sense.
My guess is the Biden administration has pissed off the Saudis so much with the Iran deal and other things they are letting the US know there is a limit to their patience. I don't think they want to do it but they will if they feel the US needs to be taken down a peg.
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When this was first reported they had bio labs ... Not bio weapons labs ... These are two different animals in my mind. . Now it was a well known fact that Russia had at one point a large bio weapons program. Talking to a person who worked in army intelligence 20 years ago claimed their bio weapons program was larger than the nuclear program money wise. .. During the cold war. .... Could some of these bio labs be old Russian labs that needed cleaning up.. I don't know the answer to this question ... Is the news world wide tweaking this story to create horror where there is none.You put your faith in the reason of a guy who kills political opponents, imprisons those who protest, and has spent decades running sham elections, and murdering civilians.
There are no bioweapons labs on the border. You've already had this explained to you. The USA dumped its bioweapons decades ago and now it runs illegal bioweapon labs in a marginal-allied country, right on the border of Russia, and then during a multi-month build up of Russian forces it somehow forgot to remove the stocks? How gullible can you be? That was a rhetorical question.
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Anyone recognize a problem with this sign our esteem educators are holding.??
Blimey
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They are definitely different, as a biolab can be used for analyzing chicken turds, or if it's a weapons facility to tweaking a biological weapon.
USA has made no secret of the fact it has bio labs in Ukraine:
The official position of the US gov is, has been for a very long time it is not creating or advancing biological weapons. It's expressly illegal. Is it doing it anyway? Who knows, it's impossible to prove it's not. My guess is no because that requires a significant number of people to keep quiet. But I am sure if it is doing it it's not doing it in a recently-soviet nation right on the border with Russia.
Anyway it's just another distraction by putin to justify his tiny penis syndrome over the death of the soviet union.
What I haven't seen is an official accounting of how many bio-labs there are and what each one of them does. Victoria Nuland just mentioned they exist in her testimony but unless I missed it she didn't say how many. The essence of her testimony was there was nothing nefarious about the labs but the russians might get ahold of the pathogens and use them in ukraine.
It is well known the russians worked on developing bio weapons during the cold war. Why would they need to use "captured" ukrainian bio lab material? And if there was nothing nefarious going on in the labs why was Nuland concerned about them falling into Russian hands?
I've seen various estimates of between 11 to 30 different labs. How can it be that hard to determine the exact number? As Carlson noted, if these are old soviet labs the US is helping to clean up, why has it taken 14 years and the job is still not complete?
The US government lost the benefit of the doubt when it was revealed we essentially provided funding for gain of function research to the lab in wuhan china. Oh sure, we didn't send the money directly - we just sent it to a third party who then sent it to the chinese. If that convinces anyone I have some swampland to offer.
Of course the russians and chinese are going to use this information in their own propaganda efforts. That doesn't mean there isn't something to the story.
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The Council of Europe has expelled Russia.
International Court of Justice in the Hague has ordered Moscow to immediately stop its invasion.
This has no force; the hague has no military. But it further indicates how russia is acting illegally and will be further ostracized.
USA sending a bunch more stuff to kill the fascists, a fine use of tax dollars in my view.
According to the White House, the $800 million in security assistance will provide Ukraine with: 800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems, 100 drones, "over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition and grenade launcher and mortar rounds," 25,000 sets of body armor, 25,000 helmets, 100 grenade launchers, 5,000 rifles, 1,000 pistols, 400 machine guns, 400 shotguns, as well as "2,000 Javelin, 1,000 light anti-armor weapons, and 6,000 AT-4 anti-armor systems."
Putler, in a rambling crybaby speech, claimed that sanctions will ultimately make Russia stronger. Good for him. He will enjoy them as they continue to increase then.
International Court of Justice in the Hague has ordered Moscow to immediately stop its invasion.
This has no force; the hague has no military. But it further indicates how russia is acting illegally and will be further ostracized.
USA sending a bunch more stuff to kill the fascists, a fine use of tax dollars in my view.
According to the White House, the $800 million in security assistance will provide Ukraine with: 800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems, 100 drones, "over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition and grenade launcher and mortar rounds," 25,000 sets of body armor, 25,000 helmets, 100 grenade launchers, 5,000 rifles, 1,000 pistols, 400 machine guns, 400 shotguns, as well as "2,000 Javelin, 1,000 light anti-armor weapons, and 6,000 AT-4 anti-armor systems."
Putler, in a rambling crybaby speech, claimed that sanctions will ultimately make Russia stronger. Good for him. He will enjoy them as they continue to increase then.
holdover
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U.S. Senate unanimously condemns Putin as war criminal
The U.S. Senate on Tuesday unanimously passed a resolution condemning Russian President Vladimir Putin as a war criminal, a rare show of unity in the deeply divided Congress.
Now there's the pot calling the kettle black.
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BerettaGuy
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The world got shafted after WWI with "progressives" and the League of Nations and WWII was just WWI the sequel.
All it did was redraw borders in their image and countries are still fighting over those borders today.
Putin invaded today because the US voted in a dementia patient as POTUS. It presented itself as a now or never situation. Biden's handlers are secretly hoping any evidence of him or his son profiteering in Ukraine will be burnt up in a bombing.
Think back to any movie about doomsday. There is a President and his advisers. We don't have that luxury. We have his string-pullers and nothing else.