Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Blimey]

Plus, Russia isn't fighting Ukraine. They're fighting Ukrainians being trained, supplied, equipped, and provided intel by, the U.S. and NATO. There's a very big difference.

True. Western intelligence is helping to ruin russia's day. Imagine if we actually stopped giving recommendations from outside the ring and got involved. Everyone, including Russia, knows they are no longer a credible military against the modern world.

 

[Blimey]

I've been watching this from the start, I have read nothing, or heard nothing from any credible sources that said three days.

Russia could overrun Ukraine in two days, warns US intelligence

Western intelligence assessments also believe Kyiv's government would fall within that timeframe, and lead to a humanitarian crisis involving around 5million refugees.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Another:

Once deterrence fails and a war begins, the Ukrainian armed forces will find themselves in desperate circumstances almost immediately. Ukraine does not have anywhere near enough forces to credibly defend against all the potential avenues of attack, which means it would have to choose between defending a select set of fixed strong points—ceding control of other areas—or maneuvering to engage Russian forces that outnumber them. The line of conflict in the Donbass will be but one of many fronts. The Ukrainian fortifications there may well look like a modern-day Maginot Line: prepared for a frontal attack that may never come and bypassed by the mobile forces of an adversary with more advanced aircraft and more mobile land forces.

The West’s Weapons Won’t Make Any Difference to Ukraine

U.S. military equipment wouldn’t realistically help Ukrainians—or intimidate Putin.

foreignpolicy.com

In short, the military balance between Russia and Ukraine is so lopsided in Moscow’s favor that any assistance Washington might provide in coming weeks would be largely irrelevant in determining the outcome of a conflict should it begin.

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There are many articles going back many years that accuse Russia of being a paper tiger, but the ones I saw are more in reference to it vs a modern military. That question was outstanding, and now unequivocally settled: NATO would brutalize Russia in any conventional war. It would be like that vid from years back in which an orangutan rapes a frog (don't look it up--it's what it sounds like).

I haven't seen (not saying they don't exist) analysis pre-war saying that a large invasion from Russia would not be devastating for Ukraine and quite quickly successful--at least initially (occupying long term is never easy).

 

[GOPerfect]

Russia could overrun Ukraine in two days, warns US intelligence

Western intelligence assessments also believe Kyiv's government would fall within that timeframe, and lead to a humanitarian crisis involving around 5million refugees.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Another:

The West’s Weapons Won’t Make Any Difference to Ukraine

U.S. military equipment wouldn’t realistically help Ukrainians—or intimidate Putin.

foreignpolicy.com

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There are many articles going back many years that accuse Russia of being a paper tiger, but the ones I saw are more in reference to it vs a modern military. That question was outstanding, and now unequivocally settled: NATO would brutalize Russia in any conventional war. It would be like that vid from years back in which an orangutan rapes a frog (don't look it up--it's what it sounds like).

I haven't seen (not saying they don't exist) analysis pre-war saying that a large invasion from Russia would not be devastating for Ukraine and quite quickly successful--at least initially (occupying long term is never easy).

The first article is fear mongering from the US. Those statements were nothing but muscle bulge. Not a credible story. No credible tactics individual said two days. The shortest real estimate was 30 days.

Many of these stories was based on the idea that they going to rip, tear and distroy.

Many that understand the motives and the wanted outcomes, knew this was going to be similar to what is actually going on.

 

[Xae289]

Still.... let's say that's the case, then they're getting their asses handed to them by 2 week trainees.

Ukraine has an actual standing military, universal conscription, and has had militias fighting Russians since the Crimean invasion in 2014. So not really.

True. Western intelligence is helping to ruin russia's day. Imagine if we actually stopped giving recommendations from outside the ring and got involved. Everyone, including Russia, knows they are no longer a credible military against the modern world.

Yea, I mean, with all the "ooga-booga Russki boogeyman" bullshit over the past few years, I've been telling people in the real world that Russia is a third-rate power which is logistically incapable of *all* the terrible things they were being accused of (not to say that they weren't behind some of them).

I genuinely think Russia would've had a tough time against Ukraine even without all the help. But here's the thing. We have tiers of military power. The U.S. and probably China are in the top tier where you get all of the goodies like satellite intel, overwhelming air superiority, funding to keep your gear maintained properly, well-equipped combat arms that actually get to shoot live ammo regularly, money for fuel so that your pilots get flight hours, nukes, etc. Think of it as having the full suite of modern military goodies. No one else really does. The rest of NATO and American allies only have that full suite insofar as the U.S. has it. Still, some like the U.K., Canada, and France are solidly second-rate and as good as second-rate gets without the economies or military budgets to be first tier.

Russia might have a first-tier military on paper, but paper isn't reality. There is no way that their economy could possibly have maintained the military they have on paper for the past 3 decades of economic doldrums. Their military is relatively combat inexperienced other than poor performances in Chechnya and invading equally depressed Georgia. A friend pointed out to me how crap and poorly maintained their aircraft looked even as they were being mobilized. Their rifles have a lot of picatinny rail space for accessories... But no accessories. Their corruption runs so deep that even the little they're supposed to have for maintenance is squandered. Their op-sec and cyber discipline is trash. Russia's military is third-rate. Now I'm sure they have some first-rate assets, but overall, Russia is just being what Russia has always been — Large quantity, low quality with some elite units.

I still don't doubt that they'll push deeper into Ukraine, but anyone, anywhere who tells you that any war will be quick, cheap, and easy is almost always blowing smoke up your ass.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

I never registered for selective service. I turned 18 while in basic training, I kinda figured they already had my number.

I got notified I had to register with Selective Service after my release from Active Duty and going to college on the GI Bill

 

[ArmedCorgi]

It wasn't until the 70s that people started thinking of them as magic death machines that will kill the whole planet of you detonate them.

Also the same line of thinking that makes people think ww3 will automatically be nukes flying.

 

[prambo]

"They" don't even bother to hide the bullshit anymore...

 

[prambo]

The Hive Mind | The Z Blog

"According to the story, “Unvaccinated Canadians are about 12 times more likely than those who received three doses to believe Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was justified, according to a new survey by national polling firm EKOS.”'

"The reaction by the Left to the war in Ukraine is another reminder that it is impossible to constructively engage with true believers. Deeply religious people can usually understand why you do not share their faith. They are faithful, but they are not unaware of themselves. The Left is a different breed of believer. They do no seek salvation from the world. They seek salvation from themselves. This is why they obsess over the latest enemies of their cause. That is their salvation."

 

[pjzwtl]

I have to say, it looks like the work of the SEALS.

Not for nothing it could be an accident from a fuel transfer . I see large tanks on that dock

 

[prambo]

Big Brave Keyboard Warriors: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix

"Wars end in one of two ways: with diplomacy and negotiation, or with mountains of corpses. If you’re opposed to any kind of negotiation with Moscow to bring about peace, then you want the latter. And if you do, you should get your bitch ass on a plane and join the front lines."

 

[holdover]

I have to say, on paper, it looked like the Russians would roll through them in no time, I expected mass surrender of Ukrainian troops.

I figured they had had enough of this homo president and NATO and why fight their own cousins? I never expected to see what Im seeing. On paper that had them beat in every aspect.

The Russians really shocked me . But as a disclaimer, I know the Russians are only using a quarter of their strength .But what I have seen so far, is terrible leadership and training. Not to say they are beat, If they continue to use mass artillery barrages and call in some more units they can still""win"" but at a serious cost to themselves.

As far as the resistance goes, they have special forces written all over it , Those guys are being lead by some of our best troops , no doubt in my mind.

 

[holdover]

Not for nothing it could be an accident from a fuel transfer . I see large tanks on that dock

Could be,I have no inside knowledge.

 

[Blimey]

The first article is fear mongering from the US. Those statements were nothing but muscle bulge. Not a credible story. No credible tactics individual said two days. The shortest real estimate was 30 days.

Many of these stories was based on the idea that they going to rip, tear and distroy.

Many that understand the motives and the wanted outcomes, knew this was going to be similar to what is actually going on.

Okay 30 days then. I guess they have a day or two left to get it done.

 

[Blimey]

I have to say, on paper, it looked like the Russians would roll through them in no time, I expected mass surrender of Ukrainian troops.

I figured they had had enough of this homo president and NATO and why fight their own cousins? I never expected to see what Im seeing. On paper that had them beat in every aspect.

The Russians really shocked me . But as a disclaimer, I know the Russians are only using a quarter of their strength .But what I have seen so far, is terrible leadership and training. Not to say they are beat, If they continue to use mass artillery barrages and call in some more units they can still""win"" but at a serious cost to themselves.

As far as the resistance goes, they have special forces written all over it , Those guys are being lead by some of our best troops , no doubt in my mind.

Agree except I don’t think we have boots on the ground, though they are closely involved.

I think this is also much more of Russian military strength than 1/4. They are running out of time and cannot operate like this forever. If this is their current performance imagine how bad mercenaries (the worst ever) or more conscripts would be.

How do their leadership keep dying? Russia simply doesn’t know how to conduct an invasion.

 

[holdover]

Oh yeah we do.

 

[Blimey]

Biden says U.S. would 'respond' to Russia if Putin uses chemical or biological weapons

President Joe Biden said Thursday NATO would respond "in kind" if Russia uses weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine.

www.cnbc.com

 

[holdover]

Agree except I don’t think we have boots on the ground, though they are closely involved.

I think this is also much more of Russian military strength than 1/4. They are running out of time and cannot operate like this forever. If this is their current performance imagine how bad mercenaries (the worst ever) or more conscripts would be.

How do their leadership keep dying? Russia simply doesn’t know how to conduct an invasion.

I believe 4 out of 5 generals killed were killed by snipers, one was killed useing a cell phone and they called down fire on him

 

[holdover]

Biden says U.S. would 'respond' to Russia if Putin uses chemical or biological weapons

President Joe Biden said Thursday NATO would respond "in kind" if Russia uses weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine.

www.cnbc.com

And you can be dam sure its going to happen whether the Russians do it or not.

No reason to use chemical or bio . none.

 

[Blimey]

And you can be dam sure its going to happen whether the Russians do it or not.

No reason to use chemical or bio . none.

It would help cleanse the stubborn Ukrainians out of the areas Russia is struggling to control.

 

[holdover]

"They" don't even bother to hide the bullshit anymore...

There's no leaves on any trees yet! LOL,

 

[holdover]

It would help cleanse the stubborn Ukrainians out of the areas Russia is struggling to control.

At the cost of inviting NATO airstrikes. Not worth it .

 

[holdover]

I think this is also much more of Russian military strength than 1/4. They are running out of time and cannot operate like this forever. If this is their current performance imagine how bad mercenaries (the worst ever) or more conscripts would be.

I have to say those conscipts would most likely stay in defensive positions or over watching supply routes to free up Russian combat units and fill in as replacement s. But , hell, nobody can guess what Russian leadership will do. You have to figure, they speak another langue and communicating would be difficult , At least the Chechens can speak Russian.

 

[Defilade]

Such a warrior!

Before fighting Russia, Ukraine's president danced shirtless in high heels on TV - LGBTQ Nation

Before becoming president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky was a member of a comedy troupe that wanted to make the world "a kinder and more joyful place."

www.lgbtqnation.com

 

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[prambo]

Is the "impending cyber-attack" the real endgame here?

Could be...Klaus Schwab is insane enough to orchestrate something like this. But, I've never been able to figure out where, or through what, his power originates.

Or are the world's "leaders and elites" so besotted with their own hubris that they'll do anything suggested - case in point is Justine Castreau.

A Large Scale False Flag Cyber-Attack Is Now Imminent - Alt-Market.us

"As I have noted in the past, Vladimir Putin is a long time associate of numerous globalists. His friendship with New World Order ghoul Henry Kissinger started decades ago and they continue to meet for regular lunches as Kissinger acts as an adviser to multiple branches of the Kremlin. Putin has also maintained a steady relationship to the WEF and Russia even joined Klaus Schwab’s Fourth Industrial Revolution Network just last year. The claim the Putin is anti-globalist is a lie, he is deeply involved in the globalist system and always has been.

The globalists are playing BOTH SIDES of the Ukraine conflict. This is reality. It’s very important to understand and accept this fact otherwise you will not be able to grasp the events that happen next."

"The globalists need another Pearl Harbor – A 9/11 attack or something even bigger. They need something that will enrage the American population, specifically conservatives. They need a crisis of epic proportions to lure us into an emotional response and the abandonment of logic. They also need a scapegoat disaster that they can use to lay the blame for the impending economic crisis.

I predict this event will come in the form of a large scale cyber-attack, and the escalation of events suggests to me that they will try to implement such an attack in the near term. Perhaps within the next couple of months and certainly before the year is over."

 

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[prambo]

Such a warrior!

Before fighting Russia, Ukraine's president danced shirtless in high heels on TV - LGBTQ Nation

Before becoming president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky was a member of a comedy troupe that wanted to make the world "a kinder and more joyful place."

www.lgbtqnation.com

 

[Defilade]

General Flynn joined Lou Dobbs to discuss the war in Ukraine:

“I don’t think that Putin has any time for Zelenskyy, because I think he sees Zelenskyy as a puppet type leader in Ukraine… these various relationships with people… that are members of our administration. Also some of the, I think, nefarious activities that Ukraine has been involved in from human trafficking, drug trafficking, money laundering. I mean there’s an awful lot…”

Great to hear someone calling out corruption in Ukraine.

View attachment flynn.mp4

 

[Mosinitis]

After initial Russophobic hysteria fizzles out, people will start asking questions. Some already do.