TBMT33
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Hey looking to learn to shoot long range. I’ve seen some classes at sheepdog warrior in Catskills. Any experience? Also looking to get some like minded people to discuss precision’s shooting. Any clubs in the lower Hudson valley area
Long range shooting seminar. ?
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I’d like to eventually. Really want to take the class and learn how to properly use a scope and all the math and good stuff. It’s very interesting to me. I’m setting up my tikka t3 in .223 as we speak to use.
Carlos Hathcock
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What do you consider "long range"?
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Long for for me is anything over 300 I guess. I have never shot that far. But the closest range to me is about 500 which is sheepdog. I grew up only hunting and going to 100 yard ranges. So just learning the Mils/moa adjustments and all that at 300-500yarfs would be a great start for me
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I also find F class very interesting. Anything lower Hudson area for a start in that? Just wanna learn. Keeps my mind heathy
Do yourself a favor and get a scope with turrets that match the reticle . It helps eliminate a lot of math.
The closest "F class" matches I know of are in Albany @ Forbes.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
I have a laser that can paint a target at two miles. No worries about wind, Coriolis crap, angle, yaw, spin drift.....ect. just aim and hold. I also have Ruger 10/22 that struggles at 200 yards. So long range is a matter of perspective I guess. lol
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sheepdog is about 3 miles from my parents house and yet I havent made it there yet. Ive been wanting to take a class there since they opened and I also hope to be able to soon. As it stands i used to have a spot out to about 800yds behind my folks but some of that property got purchased so 200 is now about the safest distance i can shoot there.
At any rate, Im not a long range guru but i can walk my shots out at distance. I understand the concepts but just dont really get to put them 9nto practice.
@meketrefe will have some good info.
At any rate, Im not a long range guru but i can walk my shots out at distance. I understand the concepts but just dont really get to put them 9nto practice.
@meketrefe will have some good info.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Classes are great but you'll get a lot more out of them not going in cold. Try Youtube for some videos. I found this guy tiborasaurusrex sniper 101 for a buddy of mine who was looking to get into long range shooting.
From there you could use a program like Shooter Ready (if it still exists) to help engage you mentally.
Then take your existing rifle and find it limits, and yours.
Plenty of time for gear. Most people supplement gear for shitty form and lack of practice.
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Yes I plan on getting a diamondback tactical to get started. FFP
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yes I’ve watched his stuff and I have a decent idea going in. But I do learn hands on a lot better. I think I’m gonna take their class end of may or middle Of august.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
223 is a great cartridge to learn with 75-80gr modern projectiles.
Precision shooting in any conditions is 1/2 study and 1/2 practice.
It is not 2hrs study and 2hrs practice but many many hours and days of both so plan time and budget for outings, gas, food, proper ranges etc ...
Dont buy more equipment until you get some fundamentals and then buy what you need when you know exactly what you need and why.
Not sure where things are after covid but this is the place ....
www.longguntraining.com
Precision shooting in any conditions is 1/2 study and 1/2 practice.
It is not 2hrs study and 2hrs practice but many many hours and days of both so plan time and budget for outings, gas, food, proper ranges etc ...
Dont buy more equipment until you get some fundamentals and then buy what you need when you know exactly what you need and why.
Not sure where things are after covid but this is the place ....
Long Gun Training Home of Precision Rifle Training - Long Gun Training
Long Gun Training offers courses in precision rifle and long-range marksmanship. We provide students a full understanding of precision rifle marksmanship.
www.longguntraining.com
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I think you mean using the same scale and unit of measure right?
A fine stadia design and FFP is also a good idea even if the measures are coarse so it is not too busy.
Zero stop is a must too.
But best thing is to go do the fundamentals study features and then invest in proper glass/mount/ergos
Shoots100
.44 mag
Get the scope mounted, load dialed in and data recorded, so you can get a custom turret label made.
After that, focus on getting to any range to get some trigger time in and maybe visiting a PRS or F class match to see what it's about in person.
If you don't have a long distance range available, shoot at smaller targets.
Matches are timed, so as most shooters can hit a steel plate when sitting leisurely at a bench, it's a whole different story when you need to get into position, find your target and engage it while being timed, while others are watching and also shooting around you.
I tried to get a beginner PRS shooter course set up last year at sheepdog, but there were to many date conflicts.
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How do you guys feel about a fixed scope instead of a variable magnification. Would the glass quality be better and for me prob shooting only out to 500 yards 10x would do the job correct.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
500 will only be magical for so long. There are plenty of decent quality scopes available that offer excellent reticles for elevation / windage holdover. It's a plus to have variable magnification available. I've been a relatively loyal Vortex buyer. I've yet to have any serious issues with the 6-7 I own.
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Sounds good. I was gonna buy the diamond back tactical 4-16. Should be a good start right. ?
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I'm no expert at long range, but I've been reloading for 3-4 years, and reaching out to longer distances. I'm currently in a league where targets range from 850-1000. These guys arent playing around.
Under perfect conditions, glass quality is important. Even more important in less than perfect. A scope that tracks well and returns to original zero is also key. Like any scope manufacturer, the more you spend the better the quality. That's why you can buy a Vortex Cossfire or Doamonback for a couple hundred or a Vortex Razor approaching 2K. I've chosen the middle for now with the Vipers and Venom. Competition in the midrange market is high with many companies like Athlon, Arken,, and many others putting out some decent options.
There's a lot to discuss on the subject but I think in the end it depends on the destination.....which will determine most likely how much time and money you're going to invest.
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That range looks like so much damn fun. Where is that? The reason I want to start with the diamondback is to make sure I continue forward with this and it’s not just a once in a while thing. 2 young kids and a business. Time is limited. If. I do get deeper in I will def invest in a better scope.
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You know what. I just realized. The venom is only $500. I can swing that. I thought next level was strike eagle. I’ll start with the venom. Any suggestion on moa or mrad
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Yeah, understand the two options before you pick one. I don't think you want to have scopes in both.
Mrad is easier to user, smaller numbers.
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Thanks. For those who practice regularly in this kind of shooting what does a typical session look like. ? How many rounds do yo usually shoot and what are
You trying to achieve each time. ? Thanks
You trying to achieve each time. ? Thanks
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Do you mean F-class or any long range discipline?
In my case the amount of training was related to whether I was competing or not. Same with trap, skeet, IDPA and everything else. When I competed I went once if not twice a week tue or thursdays and shoot 5 to 10 strings depending on range availability, season, caliber, etc ...
The deeper you get you shoot more and more expensive calibers that is why is good to start with popular economic cartridges and reload for accuracy and these days cost too.
Personally I like practical matches with hard targets and unkown distances where only the one scoring hit counts whether you are wet or dry, shooting uphill or downhill and a stationary target or moving target.
Now days people lean towards paper and easier targets.
My philosophy is to learn how you can and if the caliber is harder to master then the better you get.
The actual shooting is just a small part of the fun package but fun is objective so it depends on what you like.
Just start with a good rifle that can print inside a dime and then add glass once you learn what you need and why.
For me is all a mil mil formula because I like to do some things by hand/head and ot is the easiest.
To be a good marksman one doesn't have to aim for impossible shots but increase the confidence and understanding of what a projectile is going to do as one stretches the distance and be right many times. Then stretch the distance and investment as needed.
Solid directives with practice apply to real life like work (LE/military) or hunting.
And practice can be slowed down but not stopped as they are perishable skills.
Carlos Hathcock
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My regularly scheduled events are.....
1. 250 yd benchrest paper target shoot. 25 shots in 30 minutes
2. 850-1000 yard steel silhouette shoot. 40 shots takes all day.
Anything else is range time for practice, testing, and load development.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
When I started in the 6.5 Grendel, I was a mediocre shot with most of my various calibers. Never shot enough, nor often enough.
The ease of the Grendel started to give me more confidence in my shots. I never would have even tried taking a deer at 180-190 yards before. Once I'm confident and competent with that, I'll move on to larger calibers. I have a 7mmRM I'd like to try. I'll get my 50 y/o 308 dialed in first.
I haven't shot rifle in several months. Once I get settled in, I'll have to find a range I can get to on a regular basis to build my skill set up.
Practice, practice, practice... As you build your skills, you'll build your confidence. Take the time to listen and learn from those who have walked this road.
meketrefe
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I love the Grendel for the AR15. With the modern stronger bolts even better. The only reason I stopped shooting the G. Was in favor of a flatter shooting 6.5BR and 6BR the king of BR. Both also out of the ar15 and the fact that I had barreled a couple of 700 also for those at the time.
In terms of other calibers the money is in the 7mm for a perfect balance between terminal performance and best possible ballistics. In the perfect world our 308 service round would have been a 140gr 7mm like a 7-08 and a long range 168 -175gr round. Or perhaps a compact version of the 284 that is what I call a fractional magnum that could work in a short action.
Would never understand why the 284 was not more appreciated but probably bad marketing. 6 5 with those cases became very popular but IMO there is no need to overbore that one. Also barrels burn faster with 6 and 6.5 with modern cases. Not with the grendel obviouly.
I think if one is going to ahoot a lot and can find joy with a caliber with reasonable powder and bulk match bullets that is inportant. I think the grendel in 6mm makes a lot of sense. It shoots flatter and further since powder is limited but with the BR still around is a hard call.
Lapua cases must be the cheapest because one can get so many reloads with a bit of care.
In terms of super magnums I have a few and invested in thr 338lm. Great caliber but not for me. Hard to drive and not something that made me happier both shooting and feeding it lol. ...so it is gone.
If I had to choose 3 or 4 bores there is nothing that might need doing that cannot be done with a 22, a 7mm and 35 bore including both pistol, rifle and specialty long range cruisers.
Anything walking can be harvested with those bores, aside a 12ga of course.
after the decisson of militaries was done to stick to the 30 bore we learned how to exploit it and live with it but cannot offer much in the pistol section just like 7mm.
the 7RUM is a good cartrige. A tad overbored but not much.
like I said the perfect case for SA might be the 284 just a tad shorter version of it for better bullets otherwise a mid or long action.