Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school
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I'm really not trying to cop bash, but this whole situation is unacceptable. I mean a simple fucking flashbang and gas would have ended this in seconds. This was a confused, mental 18 year old kid. Shit, he even dropped and never recovered his ammo bag. This could have been a severe massacre.
I would rather die trying to save those I could than to explain to God why I was such a pussy.
Jmac00
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Say, wasn't there a Police "Drill" at Sandy Hook days before?
A "Code Red" Drill at Parkland/Stoneman-Douglas High School?
Dig deep, remember back to other shootings; were there Drills and/or Law Enforcement present in the days before?
There are no coincidences.
holdover
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I seriously believe this is what happened at sandy hook. A cover up of mistakes .
Yes, but the linked drill was a couple years ago. Posted it not to introduce conspiracy theory, just to show their swat team, and how they have trained to protect these schools.
I usually don't play arm chair quarterback, but this scenario was a collosal clusterfuck even if I don't know all the facts yet.
Agree.
livingston
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Folks we can point to parkland and the police response ...How ever... go back farther.... April 5, 2009
A Binghamton Police Department photograph shows Jiverly Wong, the gunman who killed 13 people in a rampage at an immigrant community center. Wong killed 13 people in a rampage at an immigrant community center and then committed suicide was wearing body armor, indicating he was prepared to battle with law enforcers, the Binghamton police chief said Saturday. AP
The shooting at the American Civic Association stopped shortly after the first 911 calls came in Friday morning, but police didn't enter the building until nearly 45 minutes later.
Even if police officers had immediately entered the immigrant center where a gunman had just shot down 13 people, the victims' injuries were so severe that none would have survived, a county prosecutor said Sunday.
The “golden hour” is the term often used in trauma or emergency care
The “golden hour” is the term often used in trauma or emergency care to suggest that an injured or sick person must receive definitive treatment within the first 60 minutes from the time of injury or appearance of symptoms. It was believed that once this time has lapsed, the risk of death or long-term complications will significantly increase.
The concept of “golden hour” is derived from the French military's World War
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When police arrived at the scene, the gunfire had stopped, so they believed there was no "active gunman" in the center and decided to wait for the SWAT team to arrive, Zikuski said.
"I'm not sure why they wouldn't have gone in there if the shooting was already done," said Kent Moyer, president of California-based World Protection Group, which offers protection services for corporate, commercial, industrial, entertainment, residential and retail clients. "What is happening all across the board in law enforcement is they've switched the tactic. They're not relying on waiting until the SWAT team gets there."
Moyer said many law-enforcement agencies conduct rapid-response training where the uniformed patrol officers are taught that "once they have sufficient backup, that they go in prior to the SWAT team getting there."
"At Columbine, there were numerous shots ringing out and law enforcement stood by," he said. "I was, quite frankly, horrified when I knew that."
"If you arrive on the scene — the first two to four guys — and there's an active shooter, they enter," he said.
That is standard protocol today.
"Most law enforcement agencies have already changed their policies," Moyer said. "Obviously, that's something the state has to re-evaluate whether what they did was effective or not."
www.nbcnews.com
A Binghamton Police Department photograph shows Jiverly Wong, the gunman who killed 13 people in a rampage at an immigrant community center. Wong killed 13 people in a rampage at an immigrant community center and then committed suicide was wearing body armor, indicating he was prepared to battle with law enforcers, the Binghamton police chief said Saturday. AP
The shooting at the American Civic Association stopped shortly after the first 911 calls came in Friday morning, but police didn't enter the building until nearly 45 minutes later.
Even if police officers had immediately entered the immigrant center where a gunman had just shot down 13 people, the victims' injuries were so severe that none would have survived, a county prosecutor said Sunday.
The “golden hour” is the term often used in trauma or emergency care
The “golden hour” is the term often used in trauma or emergency care to suggest that an injured or sick person must receive definitive treatment within the first 60 minutes from the time of injury or appearance of symptoms. It was believed that once this time has lapsed, the risk of death or long-term complications will significantly increase.
The concept of “golden hour” is derived from the French military's World War
What Is the Golden Hour in Medicine?
The “golden hour” is the term often used in trauma or emergency care to suggest that an injured or sick person must receive definitive treatment within the first 60 minutes from the time of injury or appearance of symptoms. It was believed that once this time has lapsed, the risk of death or...
www.medicinenet.com
When police arrived at the scene, the gunfire had stopped, so they believed there was no "active gunman" in the center and decided to wait for the SWAT team to arrive, Zikuski said.
"I'm not sure why they wouldn't have gone in there if the shooting was already done," said Kent Moyer, president of California-based World Protection Group, which offers protection services for corporate, commercial, industrial, entertainment, residential and retail clients. "What is happening all across the board in law enforcement is they've switched the tactic. They're not relying on waiting until the SWAT team gets there."
Moyer said many law-enforcement agencies conduct rapid-response training where the uniformed patrol officers are taught that "once they have sufficient backup, that they go in prior to the SWAT team getting there."
"At Columbine, there were numerous shots ringing out and law enforcement stood by," he said. "I was, quite frankly, horrified when I knew that."
"If you arrive on the scene — the first two to four guys — and there's an active shooter, they enter," he said.
That is standard protocol today.
"Most law enforcement agencies have already changed their policies," Moyer said. "Obviously, that's something the state has to re-evaluate whether what they did was effective or not."
Officials defend response to N.Y. massacre
Even if police officers had immediately entered the immigrant center where a gunman had just shot down 13 people, the victims' injuries were so severe that none would have survived, a county prosecutor said Sunday.
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Stories like this need to be broadcast repeatedly for balance. Our media will never do that.
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Data comes from the FBI, so it's reasonable to assume the real number is higher.
FBI Reveals How Many Active Shooters Were Stopped by Citizens - The Daily Signal
The FBI announced Monday that citizens stopped six active shooters in 2021, according to a report on active shooting incidents.
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Data comes from the FBI, so it's reasonable to assume the real number is higher.
Well...
Quote" if they pursued it any further — not knowing where the suspect was at — they could’ve been shot; they could’ve been killed and, at that point, that gunman would have the opportunity to kill other people inside that school,” Olivarez told host Wolf Blitzer.
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So there you have it... For fear of their own safety, they allowed an active shooter to have his way within the confines of the building he was in...
Please explain how if officers were shot, the gunman would then have opportunity he didn't have when not confronted at all... This guy actually believes this shit coming out of his mouth? Wow!
Just Wow!!!
I would say more... But I'll leave it there
>:-(
Source:
nypost.com
Quote" if they pursued it any further — not knowing where the suspect was at — they could’ve been shot; they could’ve been killed and, at that point, that gunman would have the opportunity to kill other people inside that school,” Olivarez told host Wolf Blitzer.
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So there you have it... For fear of their own safety, they allowed an active shooter to have his way within the confines of the building he was in...
Please explain how if officers were shot, the gunman would then have opportunity he didn't have when not confronted at all... This guy actually believes this shit coming out of his mouth? Wow!
Just Wow!!!
I would say more... But I'll leave it there
>:-(
Source:
Officers waited for backup during Texas school shooting because ‘they could’ve been shot’: lieutenant
Officers outside the Uvalde school waited for backup to engage Salvador Ramos because they feared “they could’ve been shot,” a state official said.
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BerettaGuy
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"the gunman entered the building unobstructed after lingering outside for 12 minutes firing shots."
www.wsj.com
Uvalde Shooter Fired Outside School for 12 Minutes Before Entering
As police detailed new timeline of mass shooting at elementary school, residents expressed frustration about the time it took for law enforcement to end the shooting. Videos circulated on social media showing parents confronting police outside the building.
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BerettaGuy
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In the animal world, the female fights to the death to protect her young. The male fights until the opponent capitulates or gives up. In the US today, we are taught that violence is "never" the answer by effeminate men trying to be like women who want to be treated like men. How is it working out?
That was weird lol. I removed it all together-there are a lot of “good” cops on this forum
BerettaGuy
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Nothing to say here!
Lot of "good" cops everywhere. While I don't agree with what happened here, I along with everyone else here doesn't know, and likely never will know what really happened. I'm assuming the cops holding perimeter were following orders. Orders which in my opinion needed not to be followed, job be damned.
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prambo
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Also posted elsewhere...
Childhood’s End | Kunstler
"The mayhem unleashed in a school shooting is just the rectified essence of the manifold derangements in our national life.
"There is almost nothing left of childhood in this land, in the way of young, unformed creatures assisted by adults who love them into a future worth being part of."
"The quality of virtue, meaning that some things and some doings are recognizably better than others was deceitfully replaced by the equity of nothing being allowed to be better than anything else. Truth and beauty have gone outlaw. Bad faith and wickedness rule, led by the Party of Chaos. So, really, what do you expect? And what do you deserve?"
Childhood’s End | Kunstler
"The mayhem unleashed in a school shooting is just the rectified essence of the manifold derangements in our national life.
"There is almost nothing left of childhood in this land, in the way of young, unformed creatures assisted by adults who love them into a future worth being part of."
"The quality of virtue, meaning that some things and some doings are recognizably better than others was deceitfully replaced by the equity of nothing being allowed to be better than anything else. Truth and beauty have gone outlaw. Bad faith and wickedness rule, led by the Party of Chaos. So, really, what do you expect? And what do you deserve?"
Ok, so here's the story about the rumors of an officer going in to save his child. I'd probably do the same, and wish more of the local pd had this guy's mentality.
Bp agent takes barbers shotgun and rushes to scene
Bp agent takes barbers shotgun and rushes to scene
BerettaGuy
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You mean like the movie Dirty Harry? Remember how he pissed off his sissy boss?
I started LE in 1970. There were Policewomen on the force already some for many years. Do you know what they didn't do? They didn't ride beats or answer radio calls. That changed when I started. We were "told" to treat them as equals. But when they got a call or pulled a car stop, we instinctively backed them up and were always close by. Don't kid yourself. Not that we weren't always aware of the calls and stops of the male officers, but it was definitely different for the females. The point is, Police Depts don't have the resources so they "follow" the guidelines set forth by none other than the FBI! The FBI conducts SWAT Schools for Police Officers at Quantico VA. General Orders and police rules are based on Best Practices set forth by the FBI!
The problem is those FBI agents are not cops.
As for the cops at the school, they were following the General Orders recommended by the FBI, created by the politicians, and enforced by the chief. Rules that reflect the political correctness of the current time.
I thought all active shooter guidelines now say to engage and end threat immediately, which obviously did not happen here.
I commend that officer for doing "the right thing"
It's just a shame he was able to follow through on his paternal duties and got away with it because of his profession, while all the other parents trying to do the same thing were held back at taser point, handcuffed and threatened.
It's a really really bad look.
Texas Department of Public Safety official on why police waited before engaging the gunman in Uvalde, TX
Texas Department of Public Safety official on why police waited before engaging the gunman in Uvalde, TXrumble.com
Texas Department of Public Safety official on why police waited before engaging the gunman in Uvalde, TX
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Texas Dept of Public Safety (DPS) Official Lt. Chris Olivarez was asked why law enforcement retreated and waited an hour before reengaging the Uvalde elementary school shooter. In his response to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, after an initial few minutes of obfuscation, eventually Lt. Olivarez explains the responding officers could have been shot, if they immediately rushed the gunman.
I mistakenly thought the main lesson from the investigation of the Broward County, Florida, Parkland school shooting was never to wait. Unfortunately, it looks like Parkland and Uvalde will have a lot in common.
Texas DPS Lt. Chris Olivarez Explains Law Enforcement Waited One Hour to Enter Uvalde School Because They Were Afraid of Being Shot
Texas DPS Lt. Chris Olivarez Explains Law Enforcement Waited One Hour to Enter Uvalde School Because They Were Afraid of Being Shot - The Last Refuge
Texas Dept of Public Safety (DPS) Official Lt. Chris Olivarez was asked why law enforcement retreated and waited an hour before reengaging the Uvalde elementary school shooter. In his response to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, after an initial few minutes of obfuscation, eventually Lt. Olivarez explains...theconservativetreehouse.com
I cannot tell you how I'll feeling this is.
Police and Soldiers are different on some levels and the same on others.
I cannot remember how many times I and other service members ran into to the fire. It is part of the job.
The amount of times, in my current profession, that I have run into a situation of danger. Nope, so far, I have not needed to run into live gun fire. I would though and so would many that I work with.
These people are an embarrassment to the profession. Period.
Well fucking said. I was having a hard time putting this into words.
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While I don't know most of my local pd anymore, I'm quite sure there would be no hesitation here.
BerettaGuy
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NOW, THIS!
What a crock of crap!
Law Enforcement officers that commit misconduct by lying or perjury will never be prosecuted.
If found guilty every case that officer worked on can be re-tried and his testimony impeached. The cost to the state, county, city, or town would be tremendous.
It is for this exact reason that the courts ruled that Police have no duty to protect.
Failing to protect would create liability of a tremendous amount to the state, county city, or town.
This is smoke and mirrors to deflect the blame of inaction on the responding cops and not the politicians and administrators.
What a crock of crap!
Law Enforcement officers that commit misconduct by lying or perjury will never be prosecuted.
If found guilty every case that officer worked on can be re-tried and his testimony impeached. The cost to the state, county, city, or town would be tremendous.
It is for this exact reason that the courts ruled that Police have no duty to protect.
Failing to protect would create liability of a tremendous amount to the state, county city, or town.
This is smoke and mirrors to deflect the blame of inaction on the responding cops and not the politicians and administrators.
BerettaGuy
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They are a direct reflection of our society today!
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
A female lion will not lift a claw while her new mate kills the cubs from her previous mate. Not everything we think is true actually is.
Mothers have driven a carload of their children buckled in carseats into a lake to be rid of them.
Yes humankind has changed and a significant number of people have been conditioned, have no comprehension, that they might have to fight for their life one day. Most of these people live in a protected bubble and have no understanding of any other world. The credos spit out by society back in the 60's to not fight back against criminals was wrong, is still wrong.
For young men turning into mass killers, I think it starts in our schools where 95% of the teachers are woman. Back in my day bullies eventually got a broken nose and learned not to bully. Boys in school are judged by adult females against the standard they set which is the young female student. Boys are not judged in school by what is normal boy behavior. I had this discussion with my former wife many years ago when she was teaching 4th and 5th grade. She let boys write stories about hunting and shooting and things boys want to talk about. An example is my own son. My former wife, my former in-laws, especially my FIL, were very much against guns. FIL bought my son a plastic hockey set, I think my son was 4. Right then and there my son had me tie a sling on the hockey stick, he slung it over his back and started running through the woods as "The Last of the Mohicans", dropping to a knee and taking aim with what was now his toy rifle. My former wife classified some of her students as " my outdoor boys" she sent them on "missions", at least two in a group, with a task that could only be accomplished by going outside. She was recognized by the local moms as "being good with boys" and many mothers requested her as their sons' teacher.
Maybe this is why these young men target schools, the place where the world turned against them for being boys.
We cannot solve this until we solve "The Boy Crisis" . Everyone should read the book by this title written by 2 Ph. d.'s as a start. I don't agree with everything in their book but at least it recognizes the problem of what we've done to our sons.
No, "violence is never the answer" has not worked out. It does not change the fact that some people will not answer violence with violence until they realize they are dying. I've seen people become combative as they bleed out. Then it's too late. Darwin rules.
BerettaGuy
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True, but if it was a Hyena or a Leopard or any other preditor, she will fight to the death.
BerettaGuy
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Spot on. My daughter was attacked by bullies in HS I had gobs of her hair in a bag. The School Policy was to punish all of the parties involved because it was she said she said. WT actual F!