Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school
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I actually forgot for a minute about the ones tackling, detaining, threatening to taze the parents.
Them bastards need to be fired!
These parents needed some compassion, talking to, or give them your damn vest if nothing else was going to be done and let them go.
Absolutely despicable behavior.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Uvalde Robb Elementary School was Under Lockdown Due to Gunshots in the Area – Announced Students and Staff were Safe Until Teacher Propped Door Open * The Gateway Pundit * by Jim Hᴏft
New information revealed that on Tuesday, Robb Elementary School's official page announced that the school was indeed placed on lockdown due to gunshots heard…
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Uvalde Robb Elementary School was Under Lockdown Due to Gunshots in the Area – Announced Students and Staff were Safe Until Teacher Propped Door Open
New information revealed that on Tuesday, Robb Elementary School’s official Facebook page announced that the school was indeed placed on lockdown due to gunshots heard around the area.
Executive Director of Communications and Marketing of Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District (CISD), Anne Marie Espinoza, announced that Robb Elementary was under a lockdown status and the students and teachers were secured.
The Gateway Pundit previously reported, a testimony from law enforcement said that a teacher propped open the entry door one minute before the accident, according to Col. McGraw.
We have the teacher who propped open the door calling 911 but NEVER secured the door again. The suspects walks through said door at either 11:33 or 11:40, depending on which press conference you watched, and walks down a hall and into a room that may or may not have been locked.
Based on the timeline of COL. STEVEN MCGRAW, DIRECTOR OF TEXAS DPS
11:28: Ramos crashes into the ditch. The teacher runs to room 132 to retrieve a phone. The same teacher walks back to the exit door and the door remains propped open.
(No time given): Ramos opens the truck and two men from the funeral home, who were checking on him, take off running when they see a gun. They’re shot at but no one is hit.
11:30: The teacher runs back inside, panicked, and apparently calls 911. Door remains propped open. The use of the word “apparently” is peculiar. At this point in the investigation, with this detailed of a timeline, you would think that teacher has been identified, confirmed and a statement taken, that they did in fact call 911.
Uvalde Robb Elementary School was Under Lockdown Due to Gunshots in the Area – Announced Students and Staff were Safe Until Teacher Propped Door Open * The Gateway Pundit * by Jim Hᴏft
New information revealed that on Tuesday, Robb Elementary School's official page announced that the school was indeed placed on lockdown due to gunshots heard…
www.thegatewaypundit.com
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
from the comments section in article posted above
The League • 2 hours ago
So let me get this straight.. there was a shooting in the area, a teacher goes outside and "forgets" to lock the door again. The shooter having a $5000+ gun, 1500+ rounds and a brand new Truck while being piss poor makes his way to the school. He happens to find the one door that is left unlocked by the teacher, enters the door and begins murdering people. At that point, the police arrive and stand there, refusing to go in and deal with the active shooter against their protocols. They stand there for well over an hour actively arresting parents who want to go in and save their children.
I am sorry, but man does that sound suspicious as hell. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say this was done on purpose.
The League • 2 hours ago
So let me get this straight.. there was a shooting in the area, a teacher goes outside and "forgets" to lock the door again. The shooter having a $5000+ gun, 1500+ rounds and a brand new Truck while being piss poor makes his way to the school. He happens to find the one door that is left unlocked by the teacher, enters the door and begins murdering people. At that point, the police arrive and stand there, refusing to go in and deal with the active shooter against their protocols. They stand there for well over an hour actively arresting parents who want to go in and save their children.
I am sorry, but man does that sound suspicious as hell. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say this was done on purpose.
spat
.950 JDJ
"We can't let you go in because you might get hurt"
"Our kids are getting murderer in there, why aren't you stopping him ?
"We have no duty to protect anyone"
"If you have no duty to protect that means the only reason you're stopping me is because you're an asshole ?"
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
My girlfriend says at Geneseo school all doors are alarmed except front door after school starts. .. Cannot have children leaving without notice .. Some have indeed wandered off school grounds without notice in the past.
While we don't know for sure yet, I'm seeing reports that someone was checking on the gunfire being heard in the area, then called 911.
While we would like to place blame here on an open door, in my eyes while not completely inexcusable, I can see the mistake of it not being locked again in a hurried panick by a school official.
There are a whole series of things here that have gone wrong.
It's a matter of time before we also find out that this individual has had run ins with law before, and should have been a red flag.
In the meantime, we shall pay the price in the form of more laws that will do absolutely nothing to prevent this sort of thing again.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
All that was needed was just closing the door. it was propped oped by all accounts. .. How can one call this a mistake. By all accounts that door should have never been opened in the first place. She broke a rule and people died. This is the same as a truck driver not setting the air brakes and said rig rolls down hill and kills a dozen people. Rule number one .. set parking brake .
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Understood. I'm just saying I can see how this could happen in a panic.
The usual types are, of course, saying this incident means we need stricter gun control for everyone. I think it's ass-backwards. If the people nominally charged with public safety (the police) do nothing while children are being slaughtered then the responsible answer is everyone must arm themselves and take care of their own family. Because the government has proven they not only won't do their job but will prevent you from doing it.
Not a good state of affairs.
althouse.blogspot.com
Not a good state of affairs.
Althouse: "When specially equipped federal immigration agents arrived at the elementary school in Uvalde, Texas on Tuesday, the local police at the scene would not allow them to go after the gunman..."
"... who had opened fire on students inside the school, according to two officials briefed on the situation." The NYT reports. Also: "[P]ol...
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gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Again. If you are willing to do what he did you can get into alot of activities that make money fast. Most if not all being illegal of course. I was always amazed at how on shows like intervention the addicts are able to maintain a $500 to $1k habit with no job and their life in shambles. Many people on the straight and narrow struggle to make 52k a year. Imagine what someone with this type of ambition and drug free could do. $8k for these types wouldn't be hard to come up with given enough time.But before we start the timeline, we must first ask an extremely important question: How did an 18 year old man, with no known employment, whom was living with his grandmother because of an addict mother, afford:
-Two expensive firearms made by Daniel Defense ($2,000 each)
-an EOTech optic ($400-$700)
-1,657 rounds of .223 ammo ($800-1000 depending on how they were purchased)
-body armor ($500-1000)
-and over 60 magazines ($10-20 each)
for a total of approximately $6300 to $8,000……
What Really Happened in Uvalde?
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Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
While most of those points are valid concerns, the truck is reported as being the grandparents and is far from new. Looks to be a 2004-2008. Judging from the grandparents house and the truck I would agree that they did not have a lot of money or at least didn't spend it on such things.
spat
.950 JDJ
How would the locked door have changed anything?
He took the path of least resistance. That doesn't mean a slight change in that path would have made any difference.
Would the outcome have been any different if he came in the front door? Broke a window ? Broke that door?
Unlocked door is just an unlikely byproduct of this incident.
It's already known fact of his plan to shoot grandma, then to shoot up school.
He more than likely was going to shoot that door out anyways to make entry.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
Shooter was sleeping on the floor at his grandparent's. 2 bedrooms, GP's in different rooms. Not many places to hide 2 rifles, vest, ammo.
Can you imagine having to live with a decision like that? Unreal...
Teacher's Fatal Mistake Allowed Texas Shooter to Simply Walk Into Locked-Down Elementary School
This teacher no doubt feels horrible about the decision he or she made, having no notion it would have such catastrophic consequences.www.westernjournal.com
Teacher's Fatal Mistake Allowed Uvalde Shooter Instant Access to Locked-Down School
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw revealed Friday that a teacher at Robb Elementary School had propped open a side door just minutes before a shooter entered through it and went on a deadly rampage.
In doing do, the teacher violated one of the basic tenets of school safety that may well have led to the needless deaths of 19 students and two teachers Tuesday.
Read 2 posts above this post. It's unfortunate the door was open, but this shooter had intentions of going in anyways. After firing shots at people across street, firing shots at school, he wasn't going to go "oh shit the doors locked, I better go home". He was gaining entry either way.
Kids being evacuated.
I can't for the life of me figure out why this pos wasn't taken out earlier.
Break the damn window to draw fire, and take him out.
I'm not leo, but you have at least 2 access points. Brick wall under and around windows and door. Team at each area should have been able to end this quickly with relatively minimal risk.
I really think whoever was in charge here deserves more than just handing in a resignation, and also should be at least civilly liable.
I can't for the life of me figure out why this pos wasn't taken out earlier.
Break the damn window to draw fire, and take him out.
I'm not leo, but you have at least 2 access points. Brick wall under and around windows and door. Team at each area should have been able to end this quickly with relatively minimal risk.
I really think whoever was in charge here deserves more than just handing in a resignation, and also should be at least civilly liable.
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Im not disagreeing with you, but If you were a cop, and said fuck this, I cant stand here and do nothing and decide to go in, and you end up getting people killed, or he started killing hostages, or a buddy of yours comes in to help you because you were wounded gets killed because you didnt follow orders what do you think is going to happen? People died because you wanted to be a hero isnt going to go to well for you . and you have to live with that.
Whoever gave the order to stand down has blood on thier hands. Its hard for me to comprehend that all those officers were just scared. Hard to swallow.
On the other hand, how could you just stand there and listen to shots? This shouldnt of happened after columbine . SOP is you go in . I absolutely condemn the supervisory officers that told them to stand down. They should be charged criminally
Technically agree with everything you said, but morally it would have been the right thing to do.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Unseen Hero: As Cops Let Shooter Terrorize School, 1 Mom Sneaked in, Rescued Her Kids, Got Out Without Shooter Knowing
As the media’s attention turns to police officers who stood outside a school in Uvalde, Texas, and refused to enter while a mass shooter killed 21 people on Tuesday, a mother is being hailed as a hero for going into the school to rescue her two children as the carnage unfolded.
Unseen Hero: As Cops Let Shooter Terrorize School, 1 Mom Sneaked in, Rescued Her Kids, Got Out Without Shooter Knowing
'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere,' the mother said of police.
www.westernjournal.com
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I cant argue with you. They shouldnt have been put into that position in the first place.
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spat
.950 JDJ
Yea, once you are given shitty orders like that there is no good solution.
But, the one where you save kids and get vilified for it is better than the one where you let them all die and then rationalize it to yourself for the rest of your life that you were "just following orders".
If a group of parents had armed up and forced their way in past the cops and rescued half the kids, you *know* the cops would be blaming them for the half that died before they got there.
They would probably end up in prison.
But their kids would be able to come visit, so what do you do.
Looks like the border patrol agent who went in is pretty close to that. He borrowed a shotgun from his barber, he was off duty getting a haircut when he got the call that his kid was in there.
spat
.950 JDJ
All the people talking about physical security need to explain this one.Unseen Hero: As Cops Let Shooter Terrorize School, 1 Mom Sneaked in, Rescued Her Kids, Got Out Without Shooter Knowing
As the media’s attention turns to police officers who stood outside a school in Uvalde, Texas, and refused to enter while a mass shooter killed 21 people on Tuesday, a mother is being hailed as a hero for going into the school to rescue her two children as the carnage unfolded.
Unseen Hero: As Cops Let Shooter Terrorize School, 1 Mom Sneaked in, Rescued Her Kids, Got Out Without Shooter Knowing
'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere,' the mother said of police.
If this woman was able to get in and get her kids with half the police in Texas outside trying to stop her, how much more security do you think you need ?
That's what we were told during Active shooter training. Following the guidelines of the FBI: That's more Government (self protecting) writing doctrine that falsely protect the victims, whom they really don't give a shit about. In EMS (unless you're trained and going in with a Team) you're to wait off site until LE/Incident Command gives the OK to enter.
We told our kids that should anything like that ever happen, to GTFO as fast as possible by any means necessary as those left inside will get you killed by their fearful stupidity.
There aren't any one size fit all answers, there are those that need to answer for their inactions and those for their actions, but when the day is done the Officials are absolved, the Legislatures/Congress has its taking points to exploit, and the Lawyers pass out Business cards at the Funerals.
When my kids were in school we also told them to get out if this type of situation ever occurred.