A very small one. The risk of being discovered is much larger than the chance you'll have to use a gun to save your life.
NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)
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whatupbo
9mm
Very unlikely
I posted this less than a week ago and they're already voting on a bill that will arguably reduce our rights worse than the initial safe act did.
I think this new bill will be the worst anti gun law they've passed yet.
FUNY
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Post your own sign on the way in.
Debatable.
It just means I'll be much more less likely to carry larger guns that I can shoot better but have a potential to print for an observant eye, and much more likely to carry my smallest configuration (that I'm less accurate with too thx a lot NY )my single stack flush fit 6rd mag on a Walther PPS. It is basically invisible for my body even under just a relatively snug t-shirt
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
NY Gov. Hochul previews gun bill, with legal gun ban, restrictions, in response to Supreme Court’s concealed carrying ruling
ALBANY — Don’t take your guns to town. New York gun owners will be barred from carrying firearms in a wide array of “sensitive locations,” and businesses must explicitly allow armed patrons under an agreement…
www.nydailynews.com
NY Gov. Hochul previews gun bill, with legal gun ban, restrictions, in response to Supreme Court’s concealed carrying ruling
New York gun owners will be barred from carrying firearms in a wide array of “sensitive locations,” and businesses must explicitly allow armed patrons under an agreement reached Wednesday between lawmakers and Gov. Hochul.The deal — which will bar guns from being brought into government buildings, schools, subways and buses, medical facilities and more — comes less than a week after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a state law that limited the carrying of concealed weapons.
The Democrat-led Legislature is scheduled to reconvene Thursday for a special session to approve the measures, which will also strengthen background checks and add 15 hours of in-person training to the requirements needed for a concealed-carry permit.
Hochul said background checks will also be necessary to purchase ammunition for guns that need a permit, such as handguns and semiautomatic rifles.
“We’re going to make sure we have the strongest protections possible,” she said.
Business owners will have to explicitly state that they allow concealed weapons on their property, most likely with a sign indicating that gun-toting patrons are welcome.
Firearm storage requirements in homes and vehicles will also be strengthened under the new laws, which Hochul said will stand up to any additional legal challenges.
“I want to make sure we’ve done everything we can to protect the citizens of this state, so I will go right up to the line. I will not cross the line,” she added.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Hochul said background checks will also be necessary to purchase ammunition for guns that need a permit, such as handguns and semiautomatic rifles.
We had that under safe act . From what I recall they cannot use the NICS check for ammo sales.
We had that under safe act . From what I recall they cannot use the NICS check for ammo sales.
All it takes is a suspicion. The police will then pat down for weapons. Then the game is over.
Its been long upheld that police can pat down for weapons for their safety. You don't stand a chance here.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Girlfriend says we don't go many places .... Will be staying at home a lot more after this bill passes.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Same here. I will be calling to send money for the lawsuit. I can’t wait until they are hit with a racial discrimination lawsuit. Disparaging effect. The subway and the “ opt-in” provisions mean anyone who lives in NYC and has a gun for work can’t travel or eat. How does one know if someone opted in? Im going to carry opted in signs and put them on the business before I walk in-lol
That_FNG
.308 Win
If they give an exemption for security guards then I will just get my security guard license. My buddy just did that (cost him about $500) for no other reason then he wanted it.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
FUKH said;
“I want to make sure we’ve done everything we can to protect the citizens of this state,"
TL;DR - I can assure you guys that this has absolutely nothing to do with protecting the citizens of this state. But you all already know that.
It's so irritating that FUKH keeps repeating that lie over and over. That's just a straight up frickin lie.
How is passing more draconiangun people control laws for the law abiding citizens to follow? How is making it harder for the "vetted" law abiding gun owners to CC outside of the home protecting the citizens of this state? It doesn't, that's just basic common sense.
Unless perhaps she is talking about the violent criminals in this state. That must be it, otherwise, her statement doesn't make any sense.
What this is really about is, like the title says... Vindictive.
FUKH already has the votes to win being that this isNY NYC
She didn't have to do this to keep her throne. She's just being a tyrannical bitch.
Probably scoring some points with the Democrat elite too.
That could come in handy for her future plans.
Other than FUKH being the classic definition of a political whore. As she wasn't always this anti 2A.
I think part of her tyrannical actions is to move out from underneath FUAC shadow.
She is doing the hold my beer and watch this kind of thing.
“I want to make sure we’ve done everything we can to protect the citizens of this state,"
TL;DR - I can assure you guys that this has absolutely nothing to do with protecting the citizens of this state. But you all already know that.
It's so irritating that FUKH keeps repeating that lie over and over. That's just a straight up frickin lie.
How is passing more draconian
Unless perhaps she is talking about the violent criminals in this state. That must be it, otherwise, her statement doesn't make any sense.
What this is really about is, like the title says... Vindictive.
FUKH already has the votes to win being that this is
She didn't have to do this to keep her throne. She's just being a tyrannical bitch.
Probably scoring some points with the Democrat elite too.
That could come in handy for her future plans.
Other than FUKH being the classic definition of a political whore. As she wasn't always this anti 2A.
I think part of her tyrannical actions is to move out from underneath FUAC shadow.
She is doing the hold my beer and watch this kind of thing.
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kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
not less than two hours of live firing
instruction at a shooting range using the type of firearm the applicant
anticipates purchasing, possessing or acquiring;
instruction at a shooting range using the type of firearm the applicant
anticipates purchasing, possessing or acquiring;
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm really fucking pissed off today... This is all such bullshit... 
I and many others have lived a law abiding respectable life and are being treated like shit.
There are a least one too many stars on the American flag IMHO.
Just thought I'd mention it.
FUKH
I and many others have lived a law abiding respectable life and are being treated like shit.
There are a least one too many stars on the American flag IMHO.
Just thought I'd mention it.
FUKH
The draft of the law says your training certificate must be carried at all times outside the the home and is good for 2 years. This will be Ann ongoing training requirement. They want you to be too busy or get fed up and say the hell with it and let your permit lapse.
Does anyone else think this will end up being worse than safe act?
I used to always think... NY getting a (legal)pistol is a huge burden and pain in the ass but once you actually get it you have more rights than most other states. Even though all legal pistol owners are extensively vetted we are now being treated as we are not trustworthy of our extensive pistol permit licensing scheme to exercise of our God given rights and we are going to be SEVERELY limited on where we can (legally) carry or risk being made examples of and turned into felons.
This impacts our day to day rights more than the safe act did.
There will be so many businesses that either just don't care one way or the other, or are afraid of upsetting the woke mob so they just won't put up "guns welcome here" signs. And lacking of that the default of not posting a sign is guns are banned by force of law.
Im disgusted.
I used to always think... NY getting a (legal)pistol is a huge burden and pain in the ass but once you actually get it you have more rights than most other states. Even though all legal pistol owners are extensively vetted we are now being treated as we are not trustworthy of our extensive pistol permit licensing scheme to exercise of our God given rights and we are going to be SEVERELY limited on where we can (legally) carry or risk being made examples of and turned into felons.
This impacts our day to day rights more than the safe act did.
There will be so many businesses that either just don't care one way or the other, or are afraid of upsetting the woke mob so they just won't put up "guns welcome here" signs. And lacking of that the default of not posting a sign is guns are banned by force of law.
Im disgusted.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Are we going to be able to get an appointment for these live training drills . .. Rifle handgun shotgun is 6 hours live fire. plus class room instruction
whatupbo
9mm
Of course not and that’s part of the plan. There are going to be tens if not hundreds of thousands of permit holders they’re going to have to do this, and their are only so many places that you can do this in the waiting list will be backed up for years
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
"Become a certified trainer!"
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
When I had my ATF interview that was exactly true. No NICS for a state requirement for ammo. With the ATF changes, who knows, I take nothing for granted now.
I took one law, Bill s4970a, and called Albany. There are no details available. "Working on it". NOT ONE SINGLE question was answered. I feel ill. 30 years of working on our place. Relocating is a serious topic.
LibertyWins
9mm
Yes, I feel it's worse than the 'Safe Act'. I mean come on... if we need to renew this training every two years and spend 15-20 hours and probably $500-$1000 just to renew it, that's frickin ridiculous. That mixed with barley being able to carry anywhere you go and needing to lock it up when in your own car -- is it even worth all the trouble? And that's just it right there. The horse-faced witch is trying to make us not even bother.
We won't even be able to buy ammo online if they get their way. Unless what, we have it shipped to an FFL and pay extra to get a background check on pick-up?
I've never wanted to move so badly. This is a joke! I'm trying to talk my family into leaving but same as others mentioned, we all have jobs we worked hard for, friends and a home here. Really frustrating!
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
1) Being issued a CCW by a State that then turns around and makes it illegal to carry in 98% of the places in the State is NOT a major victory. This response from Hochul is nothing more than political revenge for her authority being challenged and defeated by SCOTUS.
2) Your assertion for live fire training being required by any state for a CCW is highly inaccurate .
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The victory is in how the court said these laws must be weighed in court. The sensitive areas and such must be historical. If they weren’t sensitive areas before the ruling was passed , these new areas won’t pass the court test if the judge follows the decision.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It’s less than what LEOSA or a security guard license requires.
not following you here?
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Almost 4.5 million people own guns in New York State, Sep 17, 2004
50,000 of whom are residents of New York City with pistol permits.
50,000 of whom are residents of New York City with pistol permits.