NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
The constitution only tells you what our government can’t restrict, private property is very different.
For instance I can ask you to leave my house and my property if you have a hilary Clinton shirt on or a pro abortion shirt on. The government can’t ask you to take it off walking down the street. Now the defacto ban and it being a crime maybe unconstitutional.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Right. The government forcing you to ban guns sounds like a pretty straight forward unconstitutional ruling.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Just a heads up, that 5 years may become 3 years so plan accordingly.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Correct but if private businesses want to say no guns then they can, but I’ll agree that the government can’t force them to say no guns, but they aren’t really doing that. The courts could rule that it’s unconstitutional because the state is forcing them to opt it and I would guess that’s what will happen. However this will raise awareness and I’ll bet you’ll see more bush eases say no guns and I’ll bet it will still be a crime to carry there.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
I literally just recertified and it went right through with no mention of training or anything else. New recert date is 7/1/2027.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
In spite of their claim, this bill is nothing like the Texas 30.06 or 30.07 postings where business has to opt out and the penalty for non compliance is on the order of a parking violation.
Similarly in spite of their claim, this bill is nothing like the Texas alcohol carry restriction where a business posts a carry restriction sign if over 51% of their revenue is soley from booze. In Texas you could carry at restaurant that sells alcohol, a fund raiser that serves alcohol, a party that serves alcohol, but could probably not carry at a sports bar that serves no food. In NY, you probably can't carry in a church that uses sacramental wine now.
Similarly in spite of their claim, this bill is nothing like the Texas alcohol carry restriction where a business posts a carry restriction sign if over 51% of their revenue is soley from booze. In Texas you could carry at restaurant that sells alcohol, a fund raiser that serves alcohol, a party that serves alcohol, but could probably not carry at a sports bar that serves no food. In NY, you probably can't carry in a church that uses sacramental wine now.
I'm leaving on a Jet Plane, I don't know when I'll be back again!!!
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck NY!
FUNY and your fucking antics!
Is a simple thing really, fix the "May" issue, that's all. Not really a big deal, just a paradigm shift that supports the GOV'T has the burden to exhibit cause to deny a Right, rather than the way things were where the citizen had the burden to exhibit cause to exercise that same Right and receive permission to do so! Just like 43 other States that "get it"...
But Noooooooooooo! The fucking Linda Blair head spinning has the Liberal Progressive snowflakes panties all bunched up! So they exhibit immediate malfeasance by drumming up arbitrary and capricious actions towards the same group that received relief from SCOTUS!
Wow, just WOW!!!
And they'll get the same response that the State got from the Safe-Act, NON-COMPLIANCE by mostly all except for those who might suffer the most as it would effect their employment, etc., and a bunch of wet noodle Jellyfish backboned citizens afraid of the Big Bad Wolf that NEVER comes!
The State trying to control exercising a Right on Private Property, preemptively in their behalf is so far off the fucking reservation, it isn't even funny! It's creative for sure, but not amusing in the least!
Not sure, but I would imagine, once they "officially" publish their intent, that citizens immediately go to the SCOTUS for relief!!! Without delay...
Again... I'm outta here soon enough, maybe not! Maybe I'll just box everything up and find temporary refuge outta this shit hole a State, and let a Realtor complete the sale of my property, rather than wait at all. It disgusts me how much they think this is ok, that it's somehow their mandate and charge! They kissed the part of the SCOTUS noting to "follow" the other 43 as guidance... Simply amazing!
I don't give a shit, as they said, nothing changed! So nothing is changing, I'm gonna do what I've always done! Whatever the hell I want!
Not worrying about a think!
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck NY!
FUNY and your fucking antics!
Is a simple thing really, fix the "May" issue, that's all. Not really a big deal, just a paradigm shift that supports the GOV'T has the burden to exhibit cause to deny a Right, rather than the way things were where the citizen had the burden to exhibit cause to exercise that same Right and receive permission to do so! Just like 43 other States that "get it"...
But Noooooooooooo! The fucking Linda Blair head spinning has the Liberal Progressive snowflakes panties all bunched up! So they exhibit immediate malfeasance by drumming up arbitrary and capricious actions towards the same group that received relief from SCOTUS!
Wow, just WOW!!!
And they'll get the same response that the State got from the Safe-Act, NON-COMPLIANCE by mostly all except for those who might suffer the most as it would effect their employment, etc., and a bunch of wet noodle Jellyfish backboned citizens afraid of the Big Bad Wolf that NEVER comes!
The State trying to control exercising a Right on Private Property, preemptively in their behalf is so far off the fucking reservation, it isn't even funny! It's creative for sure, but not amusing in the least!
Not sure, but I would imagine, once they "officially" publish their intent, that citizens immediately go to the SCOTUS for relief!!! Without delay...
Again... I'm outta here soon enough, maybe not! Maybe I'll just box everything up and find temporary refuge outta this shit hole a State, and let a Realtor complete the sale of my property, rather than wait at all. It disgusts me how much they think this is ok, that it's somehow their mandate and charge! They kissed the part of the SCOTUS noting to "follow" the other 43 as guidance... Simply amazing!
I don't give a shit, as they said, nothing changed! So nothing is changing, I'm gonna do what I've always done! Whatever the hell I want!
Not worrying about a think!
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
NONE!
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Who the fuck wrote that article? A 5th grader?
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I missed that article. Holy shit that's bad! I think my 3rd grader could do better.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Don't make the mistake of believing that gun owner = 2A Supporter. The two are not universally interchangeable.
fnfalguy
.308 Win
We did the same here. I imagine once the POS the POS in the POS Capitol in this POS state gets finalized, portions will get tossed, but I have no interest in being in limbo.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Has anyone ponder what this means about hunting on a friend, family member, or neighbors property? Technically if you don’t have written permission you could be a felon.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Entirely by design. This is a political revenge move. Ok, NY has to issue a CCW to people, but now they're making it impossible to carry legally in 98% of the state. Bullshit.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I see a lot of that getting thrown out in court because SCOTUS specifically said you can't make the entire city a "special place"
maverick52
.223 Rem
yeah. When? In the meantime it’s open season on us. For both criminals and the state. This is unreal
Dominion.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
New York legislative text detailing new gun rules released | WBEN
NY lawmakers are reviewing a bill to remove a barrier to getting a concealed carry handgun permit in light of a recent Supreme Court ruling, while also placing new restrictions on who can get a permit and limiting where people can carry firearms. | WBEN
www.audacy.com
Some of this shit is in conflict with Heller.
Maybe my HOA will start passing gun laws.......................
You can bet your ass Hunter Biden won't be coming to New York.
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camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Wait, they want you to do MONTHLY background checks? WTF?! This state has gone full retard, way beyond any full retard it's ever gone before.New York legislative text detailing new gun rules released | WBEN
NY lawmakers are reviewing a bill to remove a barrier to getting a concealed carry handgun permit in light of a recent Supreme Court ruling, while also placing new restrictions on who can get a permit and limiting where people can carry firearms. | WBEN
Some of this shit is in conflict with Heller.
Maybe my HOA will start passing gun laws.......................
You can bet your ass Hunter Biden won't be coming to New York.
So did I (I was due in something like just under 4 months anyway), but I can't say I'm not worried about it being deemed an issue/invalid after the fact due to either not having their training requirement or some other bullshit (change to 3 year cert...who knows.. whatever). I'm very undecided on whether I think it was the best idea or not.
It COULD wind up being the greater limbo.. or worse.
Deplorable Me
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Legal expert Paul Cambria scrutinizes new gun restrictions | WBEN
“There will be lots of challenges, there’s no doubt about that” Buffalo attorney Paul Cambria reacted Friday to a wave of new gun restrictions looming in New York State after the Supreme Court last week struck down the state’s concealed carry law. | WBEN
www.audacy.com
subsonic
.44 mag
There is a “while hunting” exception. But not a general “hunting trip” exception.
maverick52
.223 Rem
This new legislation is as close as you can get to a total gun ban in the NYS. Just wow. So what’s next? Do the optimists really think the courts will help us? By the time the courts intervene most of us will either have moved out of state or have surrendered or lost their license. This is truly a horrible outcome.
maverick52
.223 Rem
“Democratic lawmakers, who control supermajorities in both legislative chambers, expect to pass the bill later Friday.”
This is why.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
They could do monthly background checks depending on what they are and if we don’t have to put in any input.
Someone in the licensing office can just run names in the computer once a month to see if there are any new arrests or orders of protections against the license holder. They used to do that in many offices.
Thanks.
I just went on the website and did it as well. Took 5 mins total and I'm recertified till July 1 2027 also. Very glad it let me do that and I'm good for 5 more years. I better darn well be out of this state by then.
Thank you for recertifying your pistol permit. Your next recertification is due on 07/01/2027.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Because they actually have TIME for that? The counties can't even get permits issued within a reasonable time, you think they can actually perform how many THOUSANDS of background checks a month?
Has there ever been more of a public repudiation of a supreme court ruling? And these are the same people who talk about "insurrection" on Jan 6. This is a complete disregard for the ruling from the court. If we had a decent administration in Washington I would think they would immediately litigate this. But the current administration will probably hold it up as an example to follow. Simply contemptible.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
That list also includes government buildings, healthcare facilities, places of worship, libraries, public playgrounds and parks, daycares, summer camps, addiction and mental health centers, shelters, public transit, bars, theaters, stadiums, museums, polling places and casinos.
Great, why not give the bad guys heads up of all the places they can harm others with no concern for their safety.
New York will also create a new felony crime for people who carry firearms into places of business where owners haven't put up signage saying guns are welcome.
Nice. Now I would know who to give my money to and who not to. Also, if there was no option, unless they had metal ditectors they can go pound salt.
provide their social media accounts,
Yeah, good luck with that one.
Man I can't wait to get the hell out of here.
Great, why not give the bad guys heads up of all the places they can harm others with no concern for their safety.
New York will also create a new felony crime for people who carry firearms into places of business where owners haven't put up signage saying guns are welcome.
Nice. Now I would know who to give my money to and who not to. Also, if there was no option, unless they had metal ditectors they can go pound salt.
provide their social media accounts,
Yeah, good luck with that one.
Man I can't wait to get the hell out of here.