NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Truebeliever]

Still can't make you a prohibited person.

The training requirement should be a non starter anyway. They had that for voting once, got shot down. SCOTUS basically said in the last ruling that the 2A is not a second class right and must be afforded the same respect as the rest of the bill of rights when evaluating what is an unconstitutional infringement.

That would be akin to requiring a journalism degree to be afforded free speech, or a history degree to vote.

Now, I understand that NY is going to push this, but no honest judge could ever uphold such bullshit.

I guess we'll find out how high up the food chain you need to go to find an honest judge.

The training requirement is going to be upheld. That’s okay reading ftom the concurring opinion.
It’s most of the other stuff that won’t survive a court challenge.

 

[Steal2B]

The training requirement is going to be upheld. That’s okay reading ftom the concurring opinion.
It’s most of the other stuff that won’t survive a court challenge.

Do not agree.

At three times or more the expectation of other states training expectation (e.g. Utah, Texas, etc ran about 4 hours for us) the NY training scheme is out of line and a vindictive infringement with no additional value.

Hell, driving is not a constitutional right, in NY drivers licences are handed out like candy to those under 21, cars can be deadly or dangerous, cars are involved in more injuries and death but the NY safety training / test and proficiency road test take about a half hour each with the ability for relatively quick retest attempts and even relatively easy driver license return after comparatively rare revocation. Likewise there are no repeated road tests or written exams required to maintain a NY driver's license.

The Extraordinary firearm permit expectations should be struck down since their current form is an obvious petulant vindictive infringement.

 

[Blackjack]

The training requirement is going to be upheld. That’s okay reading ftom the concurring opinion.
It’s most of the other stuff that won’t survive a court challenge.

They have over 50 million hours of training to accomplish for current holders with a handful of instructors.

I wouldn’t hold my breath on any type of training. At the moment it is impossible.

 

[Rap]

Did anyone catch the Paul Cambria attorney guy out of Buffalo (someone posted a video of him talking), who opined that NYS would be successful in going after semiautomatic weapons in general?

 

[Grimscale]

why can't someone use the following on these tyrants

18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

www.law.cornell.edu

They will claim the first one does not apply to politicians, and they will claim the second one only applies to immigrants or people of color.

"on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens"

 

[Grimscale]

Did anyone catch the Paul Cambria attorney guy out of Buffalo (someone posted a video of him talking), who opined that NYS would be successful in going after semiautomatic weapons in general?

Hasn't the S.C. already ruled a State cannot ban a complete class of arms?

 

[Bigfoot]

Lots of new members lately....

Yeah, I have noticed that too. I became a new member here 9.5 years ago (if including the previous forum) right after the NY UNSAFE Act was signed into law.

And here we are... Again.

 

[spat]

The training requirement is going to be upheld. That’s okay reading ftom the concurring opinion.
It’s most of the other stuff that won’t survive a court challenge.

Then the minute the training requirement is upheld all the red states should institute one for voting.

Sorry, Dems, if your voters can't identify communism as the cause of all the largest genocides of the last 100 years then they don't get to vote.

We'll treat it like the guy who can't keep his muzzle on the berm at the mandatory live fire class.

 

[Bigfoot]

This has nothing to do with keeping New Yorkers safe. FUKH is full of shit. Period.

This is the leftists counter attack...
A pre planned counter attack, against one of our constitutional rights.
A counter attack against the United States Supreme Court.

Let that sink in for a bit. This is serious stuff.

But you all already knew that... Just sayin'

 

[MothMan]

As I drank my morning coffee at work today I had a thought. Everywhere I go I see “I did that” Joe Biden stickers on gas pumps. No matter how many times the gas stations pull them off they keep returning. What if a random group of individuals were to create stickers that say “guns allowed” and start sticking them to the entrance of every building. If enough random people were to do that would it throw the system into disarray?

one sticker anywhere on the building would be enough

 

[Blackjack]

one sticker anywhere on the building would be enough

It won’t be a simple sticker. They will very likely mandate a standard signage that must be proper size, font, multiple languages, including Ukrainian and braille.

 

[fresch]

Training!
The cops are trained and keep killing dogs, bystanders, take 132 shots to hit the target, get mugged for the weapons, leave weapons. Don't know the laws they are trying to push on you.

 

[Blackjack]

The sheriffs just need to deputized anyone with a permit and call it a day.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

The sheriffs just need to deputized anyone with a permit and call it a day.

I’m good, I got deputized in ‘72 at Storytown by Wild Bill McKay

 

[Saltwater60]

Well let's see... Having a locked box in your vehicle and refusal to open it does not create the threshold of scrutiny to provide "probable cause" that would validate a search warrant. An officer doesn't get a warrant just because they want to "SEE" what's in the box. It hey, that strong skunk smell might validate the search! Lmao!

Guess there's not many that know the precedent established in NY as well regarding the lack of the ability to make a stop for the sole purpose to establish if you're armed!?

And then there's all those that worried their firearm would be inspected for magazine capacity! Hahahaha

It's deja-vu all over again!

You know, well some of knew, this ruling and the subsequent State reaction would cause a flush of supposed 2A supporters to come out of the woodwork seeking information, coming online to profess their steadfastness in the face of diversity...

I find it amusing! Especially with all the knowledge that's out there about this Big Bad Wolf that's coming!!! Sorry but...

News folks... It never does!

The State, neither has the resources, nor the voluntarily participation by law enforcement to conduct the malfeasance presented in these hypothetical scenarios that get posted! Yeah, there's a lot of buzz now, and sabre rattling on both sides. But it'll all calm down, the politicians will proclaim victory, and the little bugs scurrying around will return to the woodwork!

And all those who were previously standing in line, shoulder to shoulder, will be left there standing once again, when the dust settles.

As it was, it will be!

I think I might have to turn off the internet for a few weeks. Let all the crazy die down!

Many of the good cops are retiring or resigning and being replaced with what the dems want. They will have them on their side soon enough.

 

[fresch]

At this point what does it matter.
In the "wild west" the town folk would shoot you for robbery.
Steal a horse (means of transportation) hung.

 

[MothMan]

Lots of new members lately....

noticed that. and all of them have such useful suggestions.

 

[Saltwater60]

Just to let you know with the search warrant and auto exception. The police can seize the box if you refuse to open it and hold on to it while waiting for the search warrant.

They still need probable cause to do that. They can’t just walk up to your car for a traffic violation and say oh I see you have a lock box in your car I need to see what’s in it. They can say that and you can refuse but at that point they have no right to force you to open it unless there is something else going on.

 

[Saltwater60]

Then the minute the training requirement is upheld all the red states should institute one for voting.

Sorry, Dems, if your voters can't identify communism as the cause of all the largest genocides of the last 100 years then they don't get to vote.

We'll treat it like the guy who can't keep his muzzle on the berm at the mandatory live fire class.

And abortion. Oh add free speech and gay marriage to that as well. Just wait and see how long it takes the left to cry about that.

 

[Saltwater60]

The sheriffs just need to deputized anyone with a permit and call it a day.

I tried. I heard my town had a civilian doctor on the swat team deputized and I said oh me too, me too I have things to bring to the table. I even offered the cops in my town safe harborage if there was a gun battle and they were out of ammo, but it didn’t work.

 

[That_FNG]

It won’t be a simple sticker. They will very likely mandate a standard signage that must be proper size, font, multiple languages, including Ukrainian and braille.

I’m not so sure. NYS loves to pass vague laws with vague or non existent descriptions of things. Look at safe act, what is the explicit description of fixed magazine? If NYS does not explicitly describe what the requirements for said sign is then a sticker slapped on an entrance could count.

 

[Blackjack]

I’m not so sure. NYS loves to pass vague laws with vague or non existent descriptions of things. Look at safe act, what is the explicit description of fixed magazine? If NYS does not explicitly describe what the requirements for said sign is then a sticker slapped on an entrance could count.

Except for the NYSLA. They dictate everything and provide the required signage.

 

[redtail]

Lawsuit is coming , and counsel is looking for more plaintiffs.

 

[Blackjack]

noticed that. and all of them have such useful suggestions.

I’m so upset I missed the conversation that got us to this point.

 

[nortatoga]

 

[camper4lyfe]

I wish these politicians could be personally held liable for this bullshit. I’d love to see them behind bars for this tyranny.

 

[99cummins]

Lots of new members lately....

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

 

[Deplorable Me]

A person with a PA reciprocity CCW permit has more 2A rights out of state than within NY.

 

[Cooolone]

Just to let you know with the search warrant and auto exception. The police can seize the box if you refuse to open it and hold on to it while waiting for the search warrant.

And what would be the basis of the probable cause for the warrant? The mere possession of a locked box? Lmao! And even if a judge would grant such a ridiculous warrant, it would then be challenged because that just isn't the way things go! The locked box itself has an implication and expectation of "Privacy"... The law enforcement officer would have to prescribe exactly what suspicion lead to the probable cause that would indicate there's a crime committed or about to be.

This all excludes anything else that would enforce the implied consent to search a vehicle during a stop. As it exists in NY, ie, visible contraband within the view during a stop, etc.

Just a locked box being present on its own merits...

The training requirement is going to be upheld. That’s okay reading ftom the concurring opinion.
It’s most of the other stuff that won’t survive a court challenge.

Not a chance in the world any training required in order to exercise 2A Rights, or thereby then receive permission to exercise it (2A) is maintained!!! Did you read the decision? Especially that it was directly given as instruction to NY!? They very clearly stated to look at the other 43 and model the State laws using them as guidance! Can you provide which of those 43 (Shall Issue) States have training requirements?

They narrowed the scope as noted above, that the 2nd, is not in any way as lesser standard than as applied to others. Restrictions, sure, but be careful... And trying to obfuscate or defacto apply unconstitutional restrictions by applying the previous "reasonable" standards is no longer prudent!

Problem is, NY will do what it wants, and it's citizens will have to challenge those changes. It will be an arduous and drawn out play on a national stage with each politican along the way looking to use it as a bandstand so they can stand there and shout out LOOK what "I" did...