NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Saltwater60]

NY Governor to require 3 years of social media history for gun carry permit

Applicants must also have 16 hours of firearm training, provide four character references, and list the contact information for any domestic partners or adults of any kind they live with.

thepostmillennial.com

So let me get this straight abortion is a right to privacy thing, but they would need to give 3 years of social media history, and the name of all those they live with? How does that not invade the right to privacy?

 

[Saltwater60]

Hello everyone. Never realized this forum existed and I thank you for allowing me to post.
How much control will individual counties be able to exert over these over zealous laws? I’m from Cattaraugus County which I consider a 2nd Amendment friendly county.

Welcome. The individual counties will be as powerless as you are. These are state laws that the counties need to follow, but the counties can make stricter laws than the state laws. You may here of some counties or cities claiming to pass 2a sanctuary laws, but those are as meaningless as you saying the laws of NYS don’t apply in my house or on my property.

 

[Saltwater60]

As much as it pains me, I plan on adhering 100% to the law until the courts intercede and hopefully reverse some of this insanity.

I too plan to do my best to adhere to it. I see a few work arounds though. I’m fairly certain I will never do an ammunition background check and I will just purchase my ammo in PA since that is not illegal.
I just bought two concealed carry pistols and will do the background check in a few days. I actually regret it now, but I feel most of this will get tossed in court and an injunction is coming quickly. I have a feeling 90% of this will never get the chance to even hinder us.
Some sensitive places will stay
Some additional training will stay
Maybe the list of those living with you will stay
Maybe the storage law will stay for youth and prohibited people.

 

[Saltwater60]

I see the military, didn’t see security guards. They both should be the same as Leo.

The only ones that have similar or identical training is cops so they are the only ones that should be exempt. Military get no de-escalation training and no article 35.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Our Civil Rights are being assaulted by Albany

 

[Cavalry]

Live fire training - in a state that won't let you touch a handgun without a permit. Wonder how that works?

It appears they were actually smart enough to put an exemption in for that. This might be the only good thing about this godforsaken mess.

§ 6. Subdivision a of section 265.20 of the penal law is amended by adding a new paragraph 3-a to read as follows:
3-a. Possession of a pistol or revolver by a person undergoing live-fire range training pursuant to section 400.00 of this chapter while such person is undergoing such training and is supervised by a duly authorized instructor.

 

[BerettaGuy]

It appears they were actually smart enough to put an exemption in for that. This might be the only good thing about this godforsaken mess.

§ 6. Subdivision a of section 265.20 of the penal law is amended by adding a new paragraph 3-a to read as follows:
3-a. Possession of a pistol or revolver by a person undergoing live-fire range training pursuant to section 400.00 of this chapter while such person is undergoing such training and is supervised by a duly authorized instructor.

I am a duly authorized instructor that had to use replica guns during the training but would provide Live Fire training to the student upon the issuance of the permit. The student however had to provide the gun and ammo.

 

[Apeman]

It appears they were actually smart enough to put an exemption in for that. This might be the only good thing about this godforsaken mess.

§ 6. Subdivision a of section 265.20 of the penal law is amended by adding a new paragraph 3-a to read as follows:
3-a. Possession of a pistol or revolver by a person undergoing live-fire range training pursuant to section 400.00 of this chapter while such person is undergoing such training and is supervised by a duly authorized instructor.

They'll make them use a subcompact 45 or 357. That way it'll be harder to control. There will be intentional screwing along the way to prevent as many permits as possible

 

[Cavalry]

I am a duly authorized instructor that had to use replica guns during the training but would provide Live Fire training to the student upon the issuance of the permit. The student however had to provide the gun and ammo.

My county does training through the local gun club, in the past all applicants live fired in violation of law.

 

[redtail]

FWIW. Gave to SAF , FPC and NYSRPA today.

When hochl finally gets her tyrant shit overturned in court ; it's going to feel extra good.

These lawyers are chomping at the bit already.

 

[Rap]

FWIW. Gave to SAF , FPC and NYSRPA today.

When hochl finally gets her tyrant shit pushed in in court ; it will feel extra good.

These lawyers are chomping at the bit already.

Going to do the same.

 

[Darth]

As much as it pains me, I plan on adhering 100% to the law until the courts intercede and hopefully reverse some of this insanity.

That makes one of us.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

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[Phazer]

If a challenge to New York's "sensitive area" definition were to get accepted by SCOTUS, is there any chance it could be done in less than a decade?

 

[Darth]

If a challenge to New York's "sensitive area" definition were to get accepted by SCOTUS, is there any chance it could be done in less than a decade?

Silly old me thinking it was clearly laid out already in the last decision.

 

[Steal2B]

If a challenge to New York's "sensitive area" definition were to get accepted by SCOTUS, is there any chance it could be done in less than a decade?

If it takes a decade or more, it will never happen.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Silly old me thinking it was clearly laid out already in the last decision.

They seem to need it nailed to their front door.

 

[Phazer]

Silly old me thinking it was clearly laid out already in the last decision.

That's because you're not a dogmatic anti-American liberal progressive.

 

[Phazer]

If it takes a decade or more, it will never happen.

If we cannot get an injunction to block this while it moves through the legal system, it will never be remedied. New York will be the most anti-2A state through their illegitimate unconstitutional legislation and their "screw you" to the originalists on the Supreme Court.

 

[Saltwater60]

They'll make them use a subcompact 45 or 357. That way it'll be harder to control. There will be intentional screwing along the way to prevent as many permits as possible

How will most people that have never fired a gun with zero training pass this.

 

[Saltwater60]

If it takes a decade or more, it will never happen.

An injunction will be filed.

 

[camper4lyfe]

How will most people that have never fired a gun with zero training pass this.

Exactly

 

[camper4lyfe]

Just behind bars?

Have to start somewhere

 

[Acer-m14]

SUPREME COURT'S KEY LANGUAGE KILLS GUN CONTROL​

history and text .. from before the 2A and a bit after .. how did the framers and before them handing mass killing ..

they didn't pass gun control or hand out permits ..

this video is a good watch ..

 

[spat]

Oh and we cant carry at a restaurant either anymore? Every place other than maybe a diner or something has a liquor license. 95% of all restaurants I bet. So I guess im not going out to dinner anymore or taking uber. Assholes. All we can hope for is legal challenges and maybe the law will be paused while it is going through the courts. A lot will be upheld though. Other states have no carry at bars and churches and require some sort of training. I want to puke.

The standard for "sensitive" should be controlled access with metal detectors and guards.

So, secure area of an airport, or a courthouse, yep, sensitive.

Football game or concert ? Depends on whether they have detectors and guards or not.

Because it's pretty obvious that without guards and searches any prohibition on carrying isn't worth the sign it's printed on to anyone with criminal intent.

 

[maverick52]

Feeling infringed yet?

Houses of Worship are free to determine their own tolerance for concealed carry. Separation of church and state. I don’t think synagogues are going to be too happy with this either. I know for a fact that the Jewish community believes strongly in the right to self defense.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[maverick52]

The only ones that have similar or identical training is cops so they are the only ones that should be exempt. Military get no de-escalation training and no article 35.

Police are also indemnified by the state and are on the payroll as sworn officers of the law with the authority to arrest and to use deadly force. So the bar should be higher. We are just ordinary citizens exercising our constitutional rights

 

[Acer-m14]

"“We find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers,” the report says. “Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10. That is just one-seventh of the rate for police officers.”"

Report Finds These Gun Owners Are Least Likely Criminals

Concealed-carry permit holders are nearly the most law-abiding demographic of Americans, a new report by the Crime Prevention Research Center says—comparing the permit holders foremost with police. “Indeed, it is impossible to think of any other group in the U.S. that is anywhere near as...

nationalinterest.org

 

[spat]

If a challenge to New York's "sensitive area" definition were to get accepted by SCOTUS, is there any chance it could be done in less than a decade?

In theory the first court to hear it should strike it down in accordance with the new SCOTUS directives.

NYS can appeal that decision as far as they want, but it should be a non starter in front of any even remotely honest judge.

I have no confidence that the courts will follow the law though. There are no meaningful consequences for a judge who ignores it due to personal prejudices.