Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It doesn’t matter to the right to carry. But for certain people not to recognize it or flat out deny it is just flat out wrong.
Off-duty police officers banned from carrying firearms at New York State Fair
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It is not about denials, it is just that it does not matter. No profession is more important than another. No one group of people should be cast as better or more deserving than another.
I see things much different than others in the profession. I see what I do as a job; a paycheck with great benefits. Nothing more. This is far from who I am. To often, too many coppers believe they are special, better than others. I do not, never have and never will.
I see things much different than others in the profession. I see what I do as a job; a paycheck with great benefits. Nothing more. This is far from who I am. To often, too many coppers believe they are special, better than others. I do not, never have and never will.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It’s no different than being a marine . Most of them think they are special but not necessarily above civilians in their lives.
I don’t know where you have worked l, how many of your co-workers have died, being assaulted, maimed but to say the risk isn’t greater is like telling a combat vet they didn’t see anything that dangerous.
I know many LEO families who children have been attacked because their father is a cop. That rarely happens to Pizza delivery guys .
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spat
.950 JDJ
Yes, officers attacking criminals are going to get assaulted as the criminals defand themselves, but it's not retaliation when the guy you're trying to arrest fights back.Criminals avoid us like the plague? And they attack us too just because of what we do or did . That antidotal search was limited to attacks off duty at at the officer’s home. There are thousands more where it was just the officer’s car vandalized, property damaged etc. Why do I know this? I know hundreds of incidents. It’s that common.
If you want me to compare on duty attacks on police officers , there are over 60,000 in documented assaults on officers acting in their official capacity in just 2020. ( FBI stats)That doesn’t include attacks on off duty officers if they weren’t already taking some police action already . Yes, a lot are by criminals trying to get away, like this:
But attempted murder of a police officer is listed as an assault as well like this:
but a lot are unwarranted attacks.
Look at this one. The criminals seem really afraid-lol
A lot of ambush attacks
Suspect in custody after Rochester officer killed, partner shot in 'cowardly ambush': Officials
A police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty on Thursday night in Rochester, New York. A second officer was also shot but is expected to survive.abcnews.go.com
Gunman who ambushed 3 Texas deputies, killing 1, remains on the run: Police
A Texas constable deputy was fatally shot and two other deputies were wounded in what police are calling an "ambush" early Saturday morning outside a Houston nightclub.
Police discuss deadly violence after ambush leaves 3 officers dead
In a world where violence seems to never let up, one of the few tools we can use to try and cope are conversations.www.wsaz.com
These are just ambushes where they shot or shot at the officers. It doesn’t include just being punched out of nowhere— quite common.
More officers are being killed by ambush than previous years, research shows
Last year, firearms-related fatalities claimed the lives of 62 officers nationwide — a 38% increase from the previous year, according to National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.www.newsnationnow.com
It's only retaliation if he comes looking for you.
If the retaliation you talk about was a thing, you guys would all be dead. The fact of the matter is that is a very very rare incident.
So, how many times has some guy just recognized you as a cop and just walked up to you in the street and punched you in the face ? Has it happened to anyone you know ? Some guy resisting arrest doesn't count, that's resisting not retaliation.
You post about 62 cops getting killed. 20,000 people were victims of homicide last year. 62 is a drop in the bucket.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, or that cops shouldn't carry guns, that's an insane suggestion.
My profession is about as low risk as you can possibly get for violence. I work from home and do not interact with the public, and I still carry a gun every where I go.
What I'm saying is that your notion of your job being especially dangerous is wrong.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
There are some here who have expressed otherwise.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Cops getting murdered outside their job don’t get added to the cop number. It goes into the main murder number only. the 63 number doesn’t include those who were shot and lived . Now compare that number per capita . Or just the straight numbers of the military killed in combat .
It’s a higher number than the members of the military killed in combat. Are those numbers an accurate reflection of the danger?
Like the jobs in the military, some jobs or work environments are more dangerous than others . Police accountants are counted in with the guy who takes doors for a living . Or sheriff Andy Taylor from Mayberry gets accounted in with Martin Riggs from Lethal weapon. Or compare the cop working the south side of Chicago to Beverly Hills.
Nevar
.357 mag
OK guys/Galls let us put this in real world prospective. If the queen bitch can on just a whim say off duty LECs can not carry . Think of what she can do next.
As of 9 1 22 your NY state Permit is worth shit off your property.
As of 9 1 22 your NY state Permit is worth shit off your property.
spat
.950 JDJ
Yep, just like the pizza delivery guy in the south side of Chicago gets counted in with the one in Mayberry too.
None of that makes any difference.
And you were talking about the off duty cops anyway, so if none of those 63 were killed off duty, why did you bring it up at all ?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Not at all but some are saying to take the ability from off duty and retired cops because these politicians screwed them.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
You are wrong. Many are pro-2A. Many cops who actually live in NYC are also pro-2A.
‘Shame on them for thinking that’: NYPD sergeants union head defends gun control retweet critics say is homophobic
It’s not the meme — it’s the message. The head of the NYPD’s Sergeants Benevolent Association is defending the reposting of an anti-gun control tweet some claim is homophobi…
www.nydailynews.com
Here is one of their union leaders retweeted a video described as “ The video mocks the candidate’s gun control outlook, claiming that criminals won’t follow the rules, no matter what is offered instead”
Cops are level headed and cool under pressure, unlike those stupid ass concealed carry CiVilIanS
That means absolutely nothing.You are wrong. Many are pro-2A. Many cops who actually live in NYC are also pro-2A.
‘Shame on them for thinking that’: NYPD sergeants union head defends gun control retweet critics say is homophobic
It’s not the meme — it’s the message. The head of the NYPD’s Sergeants Benevolent Association is defending the reposting of an anti-gun control tweet some claim is homophobi…
Here is one of their union leaders retweeted a video described as “ The video mocks the candidate’s gun control outlook, claiming that criminals won’t follow the rules, no matter what is offered instead”
And saying “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” is cause to say that off duty cops need the exemption because of XYZ instead of saying that we all need the exemption?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i have seen that video before .. unreal ..
99cummins
.308 Win
Went last night. Copper at the gate checking bags only. No metal detectors. Concealed is concealed.
spat
.950 JDJ
And here you are arguing that cops are special and deserve that "privilege" more than everyone else for a dozen different made up reasons.
If you'd said "I'm glad I can carry, there's no reason you shouldn't too". That would have been the end of the thread.
But no, you go on and on about how much more important that is for cops, even retired or off duty, than the rest of us peons.
Acer-m14
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Yep. Because the politicians don’t care what cops think about the subject. So this constant call by some posters for police to speak out doesn’t mean anything either. They pass these laws without asking what cops think . That’s how the SAFE act was passed. This new law too.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
They don’t need a warrant if it’s a checkpoint that gives you an option not to enter.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i think they do .. if it was a non leo at the Fair gate doing the checking .. that's different ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
hey let put Leo at all the grocery stores too to check us in with no warrant ..
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
No, it’s saying there is a greater danger for cops and retired cops than the general public. It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t have the right to carry. It’s the BS that some call to disarm off duty/retired cops because the idiots in Albany passed some stupid law saying that cops don’t have a greater danger is what I object to. Or think that because we did get an exemption because we explained that greater danger to the liberal mind set and it worked , that it diminishes their chance of getting them to allow general carry forward them. It doesn’t . They would just screw over all of us. Some on this forum have expressed that they would rather see that then the current system .
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Nope. They can do it without a warrant . It’s been court tested. The NYPD started checking bags to get into the subways years ago. They also do it for New Years Eve at Times Square. It’s also done at courthouses, airports , etc.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
oh the stop n frisk from yrs ago .. 
Yep. Doesn’t mean anything as seen with the sheriff’s of almost every county here in NY saying that they oppose the safe act when it passed. Yet here we are.
But you cannot tell me with a straight face that the vast majority of cops in the NYPD are for the citizenry carrying. They are not. And they will without hesitation look for and arrest someone with a gun carrying in a so called sensitive place in NYC while upstate cops will look the other way and go about their business if they are someone that may be printing at the gas station.
spat
.950 JDJ
We live in NY (or used to). "Because the court said it's OK" does not make it so LOL.
How long did the NY courts say the "special cause" thing on permits was fine ?
Turns out it was *never* fine.
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And no I wasn't saying all cops are like this