Goodbye, Brass?
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Interesting.
I like the color coded bases. That'd make sorting 9mm and 380 really fast and accurate.
If the prices are reasonable, I'd be willing to get new decapping and resizing dies.
I like the color coded bases. That'd make sorting 9mm and 380 really fast and accurate.
If the prices are reasonable, I'd be willing to get new decapping and resizing dies.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
My only reservation is anything with steel. I've seen steel case ammo start to pit in humid environments. This is a bi-metallic construction and would be prone to di-electric corrosion.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
would that still be a concern if both parts were anodized? or does that make a difference?
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
We'll see ... So much yet to be proven.
Stainless steel and aluminum don't react. So dissimilar or galvanic corrosion should be a non issue. Also one comment hinted to the fact that the test bases weren't anodized. If this is the case the corrosion test would have looked a lot different. Overall interesting idea and it will be cool to see where it goes from here.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I don't think this will really go anywhere. First of all who trims straight walled cases? I mean like casual shooters. Unless your loading really hot revolver ammo they don't tend to stretch. Also, who ever gets to load a casing 40 times? Again unless it's a revolver or you have a brass catcher when do you get 100% brass recovery? You would most likely lose the casing before you get to stretching or the 40th reload. These things better be comparable in price (highly doubtful) to brass casings if you're going to lose them anyway. Lastly when is a 2 piece design ever better than a 1 piece for strength?
ETA: it seems like they are combining 2 inferior technologies (aluminum and steel casings) and combining them into 1. will it work like in math where multiplying 2 negatives make a positive? Or is it adding 2 negatives making a bigger negative?
ETA: it seems like they are combining 2 inferior technologies (aluminum and steel casings) and combining them into 1. will it work like in math where multiplying 2 negatives make a positive? Or is it adding 2 negatives making a bigger negative?
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That depends a lot on the type of stainless as there are many dozen different types (alloys). Anodize doesn't offer much electrical insulation so corrosion is possible with anodized alum.
Correct about the different types of stainless but considering they are pairing with alum it's a pretty safe bet the choose one that is inert. The whole reason behind anodizing aluminum is enhance it's corrosion resistance. Everything corrodes it's just a matter of how fast or slowly they do. I work with a lot of galvanized steel and eventually they will corrode also.
Claiming cheaper but I doubt it! I think by $0.12 per case.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
One write up does not a success make. Sounds like a winner, just have to wait and see.
Robin
Robin
I really didn't like that the head separated just from inertia bullet puller. I would want a stronger bond between halves.
They don't mention it in the article but i would assume an alloy with a higher steel % because it needs to be formed with the base. A lower steel % would leave open a higher risk of cracking. Anodize will offer little protection for the round as it's being used (cycled thru the weapon) as anodize isn't the same as a sacrificial coating like Zinc or Nickel plating. overall it seems these would be more expensive to make as they are much more complex.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Here's the pricing. Anyone wanna spend the $160 and give them a whirl?
Uzi
.308 Win
I'm not sure about how I feel. The idea that the aluminum section can be anodized is nice, however I definitely don't prefer to have two separate pieces as opposed to one solid case. I feel like there are more things to go wrong like gaps, chambering, and headspacing issues. Quality control and inspections will have to be really on top of their shit. Simply put, there will be more things that can go wrong. I'm not knocking the idea though, innovation is great.
Suby
22lr
Highly doubt it will that much cheaper if at all.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Sounds good to me. Saving a few cents per round.
Whatever, I own Glock's they eat anything! 
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
There are still so many concerns and things to be proven.
Remember when PCP polymer case ammo was going to be the next big thing?
Well, it turns out when people start to put it through a variety of firearms including military firearms we started
to see huge flaws in the design and materials. As a result the design is back at the drawing board.
PCP Polymer Cased Ammo Warning / Review Update - The Firearm Blog
I have little interest in any ammo that cannot use my dies, some, precision die sets that achieve amazing
consistency with brass.
Also I don't want ammo I cannot shoot in any firearm at any time w/o restrictions based
independent of their design and load choices.
If a case is not strong enough for the regular dies is not good for some firearms neither, especially those
that use aggressive extraction for critical duty. This also includes machine guns for military.
I think it is good to see innovation but I don't think we are quite there yet.
Remember when PCP polymer case ammo was going to be the next big thing?
Well, it turns out when people start to put it through a variety of firearms including military firearms we started
to see huge flaws in the design and materials. As a result the design is back at the drawing board.
PCP Polymer Cased Ammo Warning / Review Update - The Firearm Blog
I have little interest in any ammo that cannot use my dies, some, precision die sets that achieve amazing
consistency with brass.
Also I don't want ammo I cannot shoot in any firearm at any time w/o restrictions based
independent of their design and load choices.
If a case is not strong enough for the regular dies is not good for some firearms neither, especially those
that use aggressive extraction for critical duty. This also includes machine guns for military.
I think it is good to see innovation but I don't think we are quite there yet.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
About thirty-sum years ago the Germans came up with a caseless ammo. Course back then there was no internet, just paper magazines, but at the time it seemed very plausible. The major problem if I remember correctly was the combat conditions that it would be exposed to and how it would hold up.
Mek, you ever hear of those?
Robin
Mek, you ever hear of those?
Robin
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I remember seeing this a while back. It was obviously not a success. Besides weight (which is negated by bulk) I don't see any advantage of caseless ammo even if they could make a durable round.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I know as much as you know. another innovation that could not pass the trials.
Clipazine
.45 acp
There are still so many concerns and things to be proven.
Remember when PCP polymer case ammo was going to be the next big thing?
Well, it turns out when people start to put it through a variety of firearms including military firearms we started
to see huge flaws in the design and materials. As a result the design is back at the drawing board.
PCP Polymer Cased Ammo Warning / Review Update - The Firearm Blog
I have little interest in any ammo that cannot use my dies, some, precision die sets that achieve amazing
consistency with brass.
Also I don't want ammo I cannot shoot in any firearm at any time w/o restrictions based
independent of their design and load choices.
If a case is not strong enough for the regular dies is not good for some firearms neither, especially those
that use aggressive extraction for critical duty. This also includes machine guns for military.
I think it is good to see innovation but I don't think we are quite there yet.
Fluted chambers were not taken into account when developing poly cased ammo. KABOOM.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Buddy of mine shot over the link the other day. Hey it maybe the future only time will tell. I won't use poly cases.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Pretty sure that is the one Gunslinger. Still seems like a viable concept, ugly effing gun though.
Robin
Robin