Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

[Saltwater60]

I know someone who got into a verbal argument with someone else last week. They weren't enev near each other. They guy left and spun a tire leaving. He was arrested a couple hours later. Tuesday night NYSP showed up to take possession of his pistol.
This was just a verbal argument over the other party staying off his parents property, no threats were made.

I’m not surprised one bit. Was he even charged with anything? Was it a red flag order? They are taking guns in NYS for literally anything these days and the cops are happy to do it. This is why I support the police less and less these days.

sorry just saw the other post. So the gun was returned? I’m assuming he was never charged with anything? I don’t blame the cops for securing it while questioning him. It sounds like he was arrested from what you said.

 

[FrankenCub]

I’m not surprised one bit. Was he even charged with anything? Was it a red flag order? They are taking guns in NYS for literally anything these days and the cops are happy to do it. This is why I support the police less and less these days.

I dont remember what he was charged with bit it was really minor misdemeanor shit. Non violent.
I dont think it was red flag related but I wouldn't put it past the NYSP to use that. I'm sure they had to make something up, they gave his pistol to him when they released him 20 minutes later.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I know someone who got into a verbal argument with someone else last week. They weren't enev near each other. They guy left and spun a tire leaving. He was arrested a couple hours later. Tuesday night NYSP showed up to take possession of his pistol.
This was just a verbal argument over the other party staying off his parents property, no threats were made.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I dont remember what he was charged with bit it was really minor misdemeanor shit. Non violent.
I dont think it was red flag related but I wouldn't put it past the NYSP to use that. I'm sure they had to make something up, they gave his pistol to him when they released him 20 minutes later.

He should not be surprised if at some point in the future, he gets a notice from his PPO telling him that his CCW has either been suspended (or even revoked), and demanding that he immediately turn in his handguns.

As I outlined what happened to me after a halfway similar incident in 2014, my local PD Chief of Police sent a letter to the Erie County PPO (without any notice to me, and he even lied about it later) demanding that they suspend or revoke my CCW for using some mild profanity to keep an asshole off of my property. I was only notified by the PPO 6 months after the incident. And I wasn't charged with anything!

It would not surprise me at all if the NYSP do something similar to him in this situation.

See my post #21 in the thread "Buffalo PD does another Red Flag" under the Firearms in the News thread for other details.

 

[FrankenCub]

He should not be surprised if at some point in the future, he gets a notice from his PPO telling him that his CCW has either been suspended (or even revoked), and demanding that he immediately turn in his handguns. As I outlined what happened to me after a halfway similar incident in 2014, my local PD Chief of Police sent a letter to the Erie County PPO without any notice to me demanding that they suspend or revoke my CCW for using some mild profanity to keep an asshole off of my property. I was only notified by the PPO 6 months after the incident. And I wasn't charged with anything!

It would not surprise me at all if the NYSP do something similar to him in this situation. See my post #21 in the thread "Buffalo PD does another Red Flag" under Firearms in the News.

He only has one handgun and now NYSP have it. I'm sure he'll get a nasty letter from Cortland Co saying to turn in his permit.
Trooper wanted to come in and get it but was told he may get bit so was brought to him outside. I'm actually surprised he didn't insist they put the dog up so he could snoop around while he was inside. Either way, they weren't about to allow him inside.

 

[FrankenCub]

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Ok, guess I'm confused? Lol

 

[Dr. Evil]

Ok, guess I'm confused? Lol

Brownshirt.

 

[Saltwater60]

He only has one handgun and now NYSP have it. I'm sure he'll get a nasty letter from Cortland Co saying to turn in his permit.
Trooper wanted to come in and get it but was told he may get bit so was brought to him outside. I'm actually surprised he didn't insist they put the dog up so he could snoop around while he was inside. Either way, they weren't about to allow him inside.

You say NYSP have the handgun but you also said it was given back to him after he was released 20 minutes later? I’m confused.

 

[FrankenCub]

You say NYSP have the handgun but you also said it was given back to him after he was released 20 minutes later? I’m confused.

It was given back to him after arrest. They came back a couple days later to take it.

 

[Acer-m14]

It was given back to him after arrest. They came back a couple days later to take it.

back a few days later with or with out a warrant ??

 

[Saltwater60]

It was given back to him after arrest. They came back a couple days later to take it.

Oh. So they took it twice. Nice.

 

[Saltwater60]

back a few days later with or with out a warrant ??

Hopefully a warrant.

 

[Acer-m14]

Hopefully a warrant.

judge .. we need a warrant to remove a pistol from a person for doing a burn out and saying some cuss words .. .. i wanna see it lol ..

 

[FrankenCub]

back a few days later with or with out a warrant ??

Don't know, I'm sure they had some kind of paperwork but don't know if it was a warrent for it. He didn't argue about not being allowed in the house though.

 

[Saltwater60]

judge .. we need a warrant to remove a pistol from a person for doing a burn out and saying some cuss words .. .. i wanna see it lol ..

If not warrant then why give it up?

 

[Tisto]

They should have just left everything alone. Sad to say but true.

So far it has been. Who says NYS will abide by the new scotus ruling? Who says they won’t find other ways outside of Bruen because they will. They have our money and many others to use against us. This will never end.

Do you honestly believe that had there been no Bruen decision from SCOTUS that Hochul would have left the laws alone ? Pull your head out of your umm....the sand and look around. She was going to go after gun owners no matter what.

Yes, it sure seems like Bruen made it worse. In real tangible aspects, it did. But by the same token it provided a platform and leverage to fight this shit. New York's laws have been on the books for over a hundred years. They're not going to vanish overnight without a fight.

 

[Gonzobird]

I'll sum it up even further...

Bruen made it worse for us.

As soon as the ruling came out I said the same thing.

 

[livingston]

All about power folks

 

[Depick]

Honestly kinda reminds me of the Peanuts, when we get close to the goal that little bitch yanks it away. Courts are playing monkey in the middle with Bruen and not a damn thing we can do. Best case it gets sent back to SCOTUS, if they decide to take it back they'll shake their fingers at lower courts and governor and maybe some stern words. Tge day after will look just like today, except maybe a few more new dreamed up restrictions tossed on top and another fuck you to SCOTUS.

Unless SCOTUS had arrest powers they'd have the balls to use, Nothing Will Change!!

This! Numerous states have shown they will do as they please despite Bruen. Until there is some recourse for defying precedent or acting in opposition to the Constitution states like NY and California will be free to do as they please.

 

[Depick]

All about power folks

Absolutely !

 

[Glock_USA]

Do you honestly believe that had there been no Bruen decision from SCOTUS that Hochul would have left the laws alone ?

Yes. They weren't on anyones radar. They had no idea we could cary anywhere we wanted. They thought that only celebrities and the political elite could do that.

 

[FrankenCub]

This! Numerous states have shown they will do as they please despite Bruen. Until there is some recourse for defying precedent or acting in opposition to the Constitution states like NY and California will be free to do as they please.

More states are watching NY telling SCOTUS to fuck off seeing no repercussions and now following suit.

 

[Saltwater60]

Do you honestly believe that had there been no Bruen decision from SCOTUS that Hochul would have left the laws alone ? Pull your head out of your umm....the sand and look around. She was going to go after gun owners no matter what.

Yes, it sure seems like Bruen made it worse. In real tangible aspects, it did. But by the same token it provided a platform and leverage to fight this shit. New York's laws have been on the books for over a hundred years. They're not going to vanish overnight without a fight.

I’ll agree with you there but who knows when or if she would have gone this far this fast.

 

[rmosh]

More states are watching NY telling SCOTUS to fuck off seeing no repercussions and now following suit.

I've been saying this from the beginning of the Bruen decision. It is a stark example of showing that America is a dead country. NY is a rogue state that does whatever it pleases with absolute impunity. It will continue to get worse. Much worse.

 

[Uzi]

On a completely unrelated side note, It's getting colder outside. A good sweatshirt and jacket are a wise idea now here as the colder months approach us.

 

[maverick52]

Oregon is also following NY's lead. Hunters fear 'end of firearm sales' until Oregon creates gun permit system

 

[rmosh]

Oregon is also following NY's lead. Hunters fear 'end of firearm sales' until Oregon creates gun permit system

Ain't Amerika great Comrade?

 

[maverick52]

A response was filed today.

 

[ManualF150]

Round and round we go... where she'll stop, no one knows...

 

[Saltwater60]

Oregon is also following NY's lead. Hunters fear 'end of firearm sales' until Oregon creates gun permit system

Lawsuit filed already.
Oregon’s Measure 114 sees first challenge: Oregon Firearms Federation files lawsuit to try to stop strict new gun limitsOregon’s Measure 114 sees first challenge: Oregon Firearms Federation files lawsuit to try to stop strict new gun limits